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D.M.N.


Source: FIA

Trulli and Heidfeld look in a very good position. smile.gif Barrichello. ambivalent.gif

If you ask me, Fisichella's lap looks less 'spectacular' than Trulli's and Heidfeld's.
Yellowmc
Fisichella only 2 laps less than those behind.

Kimi looks in a good position with good fuel and KERS.
VicR
Kimi has Rubens covered by 3 laps it seems. That's great news for Kimi! up.gif

Trull train tomorrow with Fisi opening up a small gap?
giacomo
That explains the low grid positions of the Red Bulls. Barrichello looks a bit meh.
D.M.N.
QUOTE (Yellowmc @ Aug 29 2009, 17:07) *
Fisichella only 2 laps less than those behind.

Kimi looks in a good position with good fuel and KERS.

If Kimi makes up a position or two, he could be in a good chance of victory.
engel
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Aug 29 2009, 16:10) *
If Kimi makes up a position or two, he could be in a good chance of victory.


never discount the trullitrain tongue.gif
Juan Kerr
QUOTE (Yellowmc @ Aug 29 2009, 17:07) *
Fisichella only 2 laps less than those behind.

Kimi looks in a good position with good fuel and KERS.


What a perfectly managed and driven qualifying by Force India and Fisi, he's got pretty much a regular fuel load. If he has a good start he might be 5 seconds up the road by the time of the first pitstop with everyone else stuck behind Trulli. There's a good chance it may lead to nothing also but the point that they have actually achieved the actual possibilty of doing well is very well done. They are more vulnerable to circumstances of course but we'll see and it'll be a very compelling race.

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r4mses
hm, i was looking forward to some silver rockets at start taking on half the grid during the first lap... but looking at their weights it's rather unlikely frown.gif
Odvan
QUOTE (Yellowmc @ Aug 29 2009, 20:07) *
Kimi looks in a good position with good fuel and KERS.

Yep. I think he did really good quali again. If he could jump at the start - well who knows what can happen in the end.
Yellowmc
As someone said, Trulli will be the key to this IMO.

I don't thitnk they'll have the race pace so he could well end up holding many people up which means people like Rosberg come back into it.

On the other hand, if it rains, Alonso and co look good.
BRK
Remember this is Spa,however: four laps worth of fuel can go a long way. Red Bull looking good. (touch wood for the reliability) Guess Rosberg would just lose too much to make much of an impact by the time the pit window opens.


If Fisichella can keep her in shape for the first few laps and try and get away from the train behind him...podium?
wingwalker
Kubica is reporting his engine was constantly missing power on the straights since morning practice, if it's not fixed he will be surely passed by Kimi on the straights after Eau Rouge.
BiH
that rubens weight suggests that ross was trying to cover the red bulls so they dont end up in front of them. other then that it doesn't make sense to go that light unless they are hoping for rain?
Phucaigh
Trulli train?

Last one was in Singapore when he was on a one stopper ahead of two stoppers....

Good for Trulli he is being underestimated.
Red 5
I'm really surprised Rubens didn't do better but i'm also glad! With a bit of luck the others will take points off him and the Red Bulls and leave Button with a bit of a lead still.
fanboy
Interesting to see Heidfeld outqualify Kubica with more fuel. He was quicker than him around here last year also.
bigginge
QUOTE (BRK @ Aug 29 2009, 17:17) *
Remember this is Spa,however: four laps worth of fuel can go a long way. Red Bull looking good. (touch wood for the reliability) Guess Rosberg would just lose too much to make much of an impact by the time the pit window opens.


If Fisichella can keep her in shape for the first few laps and try and get away from the train behind him...podium?


10kg = 4/10ths
stevewf1
It's Spa and there could be "changeable" conditions for the race.
NadsatII
It seems that Hamilton, Alonso & Button will go on a one-stop strategy... Let's see if the super-softs work in a long run.
abc
Hm,

top 9 will stay pretty close over first stint and IMO Vetels strategy is optimal and he will win tomorrow.
harrys
Trulli has been quick all weekend, and fuel-adjusted all the top-5 (except barrichello) are quicker than raikkonen.

Vettel could come into it if anyone does hold up the pack.

Who do we make the fav? Certainly not raikkonen for me. rubens will struggle with that fuel as well. Fisi has a genuine chance if he can pull away early on, Will be interesting to see Trulli's race pace, and Vettel is definitely in with a shout.
bigginge
QUOTE (abc @ Aug 29 2009, 17:23) *
Hm,

top 9 will stay pretty close over first stint and IMO Vetels strategy is optimal and he will win tomorrow.


I wish, I think a Kimi win is more likely.
engel
QUOTE (abc @ Aug 29 2009, 17:23) *
Hm,

top 9 will stay pretty close over first stint and IMO Vetels strategy is optimal and he will win tomorrow.


not if a one stopping kers popping Hamilton jumps him after the lights ;)
Lukin83
QUOTE (fanboy @ Aug 29 2009, 18:21) *
Interesting to see Heidfeld outqualify Kubica with more fuel. He was quicker than him around here last year also.


Kubica has some problems with an engine. But anyway, this might be Nick's race. He has a good chance to overtake Trulli in the 1st turn and has more fuel than Fisi. Fingers crossed.
Don_Humpador
Kimi, Heidfeld and Vettel all looking pretty good.

Will be interesting to see just how fast Fisi can push that car at the beginning.
panzani
I am sorry, but even if we discount some fuel for the formation lap -- and the always present different fuel consumption per engine -- those figures are not right at all.

43 divided by 3.152, for instance, is 13.642131979695431472081218274112, meaning 13 not 12...
39.5 by 3.152 is 12.531725888324873096446700507614, so 12 not 11...

In the longest track of the calendar I would say a single lap makes an huge difference.

Anomnader
QUOTE (engel @ Aug 29 2009, 17:24) *
not if a one stopping kers popping Hamilton jumps him after the lights ;)


That would be nasty.
bigginge
My quick calculation shows that accounting for fuel (fastest to slowest): TRU, VET, HEI, FIS, RAI, WEB, ROS, KUB, BAR, GLO


*I know this is meaningless but it's still interesting
wingwalker
QUOTE (panzani @ Aug 29 2009, 16:34) *
I am sorry, but even if we discount some fuel for the formation lap -- and the always present different fuel consumption per engine -- those figures are not right at all.

43 divided by 3.152, for instance, is 13.642131979695431472081218274112, meaning 13 not 12...
39.5 by 3.152 is 12.531725888324873096446700507614, so 12 not 11...

In the longest track of the calendar I would say a single lap makes an huge difference.


Besides formation, there is also a parade (from the pits to the grid) lap so overall there are 2-low-but-still fuel consumptions laps before the lights go green.
barteks
QUOTE (fanboy @ Aug 29 2009, 18:21) *
Interesting to see Heidfeld outqualify Kubica with more fuel. He was quicker than him around here last year also.


QUOTE (wingwalker @ Aug 29 2009, 18:17) *
Kubica is reporting his engine was constantly missing power on the straights since morning practice


engel
QUOTE (panzani @ Aug 29 2009, 17:34) *
I am sorry, but even if we discount some fuel for the formation lap -- and the always present different fuel consumption per engine -- those figures are not right at all.

43 divided by 3.152, for instance, is 13.642131979695431472081218274112, meaning 13 not 12...
39.5 by 3.152 is 12.531725888324873096446700507614, so 12 not 11...

In the longest track of the calendar I would say a single lap makes an huge difference.



you do realize the formation lap is a full lap right? and they also have to do the pits-to-grid lap too, and start their engine 3-4 times during the day .
Rob
QUOTE (wingwalker @ Aug 29 2009, 17:40) *
Besides formation, there is also a parade (from the pits to the grid) lap so overall there are 2-low-but-still fuel consumptions laps before the lights go green.


I get the same figures as DMN if I use 1.5 laps for the out lap and formation lap.
Mackey
I like Kubica, but he keeps complaining even when he has a fast car, God!.
Hypnotise
QUOTE (Mackey @ Aug 29 2009, 16:46) *
I like Kubica, but he keeps complaining even when he has a fast car, God!.

Agreeeeeed!
evo.x
QUOTE (Lukin83 @ Aug 29 2009, 11:26) *
Kubica has some problems with an engine.

He has one big problem - not enough of them. Just like SV.
Menace
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Aug 29 2009, 09:05) *


Source: FIA

Trulli and Heidfeld look in a very good position. smile.gif Barrichello. ambivalent.gif

If you ask me, Fisichella's lap looks less 'spectacular' than Trulli's and Heidfeld's.



No way! It was in a Force India! Great job Fisi!

Also, Heidfeld and Kimi look very good considering the fuel they carry. Kimi will get a boost from KERS in the start, as well as it will help him overtake.

I see a guaranteed podium for both Heidfeld and Kimi bar some incident. biggrin.gif up.gif
MegaManson
Hamilton has this nailed on I think, KERS and all the cars infront of him dead light

Rob
How much is KERS an advantage during the start at Spa? There's barely enough time to pass anyone before La Source and there's not enough time to pass anyone before Eau Rouge. The run up to Les Combes is likely to be the first opportunity to use it.
sopa
Previous races have proven that Toyota is faster in race trim than in qualifying trim. But people love to downplay them and Trulli, so good luck.
bigginge
QUOTE (sopa @ Aug 29 2009, 18:04) *
Previous races have proven that Toyota is faster in race trim than in qualifying trim. But people love to downplay them and Trulli, so good luck.


Like Bahrain?
sreevishnu
QUOTE (Rob @ Aug 29 2009, 23:01) *
How much is KERS an advantage during the start at Spa? There's barely enough time to pass anyone before La Source and there's not enough time to pass anyone before Eau Rouge. The run up to Les Combes is likely to be the first opportunity to use it.

the straight is as long as Hungary start finish straight

sir jackie walker
QUOTE (bigginge @ Aug 29 2009, 20:06) *
Like Bahrain?

...where Trulli was held up through the race. I think Jarno has the best chance to win, but we shouldn't forget Kimi either. Ferrari has been good on Sundays, and Kimi just needs to repeat his first lap from 2008 (shouldn't be that hard with KERS), and he'll be in a good position.
grunge
kimi's up for a podium tomorrow i feel.the run up to la source is not long enough but accelerating after that onto eou rouge,the kers cars will have a huge advantage.i wouldnt be surprised if he can make up 2 to 3 positions off the start line.

a race win?...cant write that off compeletely either..u just need something unfortunate happening to one or two of them at the front biggrin.gif and we could be in for win no. 4

blackonyx4
QUOTE (sreevishnu @ Aug 29 2009, 17:09) *
the straight is as long as Hungary start finish straight



From pole to first corner in Hungary the distance is almost 580 meters. Length of complete start/finish straight in Spa is 560 meters.

Pole to La Source is about 250 meters... wink.gif
Phucaigh
Trulli and Kimi are joint favourites for the win tomorrow with the bookies.
sopa
QUOTE (bigginge @ Aug 29 2009, 20:06) *
Like Bahrain?


Toyota had an awful strategy there, otherwise Trulli could have won.
Lazarus II
KERS cars will have an advantage; Kimi has to be considered favorite for the win.
PassWind
Well I see a podium of Kimi, Vettel, Quick Nick. Jumble them up any way you like
FonzCam
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Aug 29 2009, 18:46) *
KERS cars will have an advantage; Kimi has to be considered favorite for the win.

I think you're right, if you look at the sector times from qualifying the KERS cars were a few tenths faster in S1 and S3 but way off the pace in S2. In a race it'll be tough to get past them in S2 but they will be able to blast past others using KERS out of the hairpin/bus-stop on the straights.
noikeee
Trulli looking really good for the win tomorrow.
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