QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 21 2009, 11:38) 
I´m not so sure they will be on the grid next year.
Full Version: Peter Windsor say: We have talks with Pechito López
USF1 signs J-Lopez
There is a lot of talk doing the rounds today that Jose Maria “Pechito†Lopez has signed a contract to race with USF1 in 2010. If true, it will mark an incredible turnaround in the Argentine’s career and will bring to the sport a hugely likable character.
J-Lo’s single-seater career began in 2001 with an assault on Formula Renault 2.0, winning the Italian championship in 2002. In 2003 he moved up to Formula Renault V6 with DAMS and again stormed to the title. In 2004 the Argentine continued his association with DAMS, driving again in FRV6, making a one-off run in the FIA GT championship and moving up to Formula 3000 with CMS.
Rest of the blog at
http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/
There is a lot of talk doing the rounds today that Jose Maria “Pechito†Lopez has signed a contract to race with USF1 in 2010. If true, it will mark an incredible turnaround in the Argentine’s career and will bring to the sport a hugely likable character.
J-Lo’s single-seater career began in 2001 with an assault on Formula Renault 2.0, winning the Italian championship in 2002. In 2003 he moved up to Formula Renault V6 with DAMS and again stormed to the title. In 2004 the Argentine continued his association with DAMS, driving again in FRV6, making a one-off run in the FIA GT championship and moving up to Formula 3000 with CMS.
Rest of the blog at
http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/
QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 21 2009, 01:38)
I´m not so sure they will be on the grid next year.
(Since your post was edited by ForeverF1 I'm not sure if the quote is what you wrote, but I'd like to make a comment anyway)
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AUTOSPORT understands that Lopez has 70 per cent of the funding required to become the team's first confirmed driver and is confident of securing the remainder with a contract with US F1 in place.
You may be spot on with your suspicion that USF1 will not be on the grid. It's anybodys guess what will happen with any of the four teams, something might happen with sponsorship deals etc. at the last corner. Who knows at this stage. But it seems strange that sponsors are willing to put money into this driver if everything is so uncertain as some seems to believe.
Anyway, I guess we will just have to wait until the planned tests in February to see how many of the new teams that show up for that. Some teams might not be ready for the first tests but if some of them fail to show up at all, then I would start to worry a bit more. It would not be good to come to Bahrain without any testing at all.
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 21 2009, 22:17)
(Since your post was edited by ForeverF1 I'm not sure if the quote is what you wrote, but I'd like to make a comment anyway)
If quotes are edited, a reason is given for that edit, unless, it is edited for a simple spelling mistake that may/maybe not, change the context of what is being said.
Well I always thought Lopez fell into the "talented, fast but very, very erratic" category in GP2. Should be interesting, but I kinda wonder what a couple of years in Touring Cars will have done to him 
He could be on an Ide-ing to nothing.
QUOTE (Repco von Brabham @ Nov 22 2009, 09:11)
USF1 signs J-Lopez
Not quite, Repco - if he wants the race seat, he's got one wek to put together a sonsor package worth eigth million dollars.
So the idea of american drivers is gone
Their first signing appears to be a no name - paying driver.
If USF1 actually makes it onto the grid it will be a huge surprise
Their first signing appears to be a no name - paying driver.
If USF1 actually makes it onto the grid it will be a huge surprise
QUOTE (GerardF1 @ Nov 22 2009, 15:33)
If USF1 actually makes it onto the grid it will be a huge surprise
Why, because they signed one non-American driver?
Lopez's contract was probably put in place to guarantee him the drive an leave USF1 with no choice but to take him. Eight mllion dollars isn't much - I suspect they deliberately set a low figure so that it wouldn not be difficult for Lopez to match it. That way, when questioned as to why they didn't take an American driver, USF1 can simply say they were obligated to because Lopez met his contractual obligations. They get the driver the want, and they have a get-out-of-jail-free card.
For what seems to be the millionth time RE: American drivers for USF1... there aren't any available now that could and others that might aren't quite ready. Point of fact that even those over here that could have made the jump haven't been in F1 car either. An Indycar is more between a GP2 and F1 car and even so those drivers haven't been racing on natural terrain road circuits. I'd rather see them with a couple of guys that have recent (more or less) F1 testing or driving experience who don't have to be the fastest to sort the car out for the first couple of years. During that time they can put a couple of good young bucks, say Rossi and Summerton in some good GP2 rides and hopefully the car will be at least sorted to be mid pack and they can slot the kids into the seats.
QUOTE (GerardF1 @ Nov 22 2009, 05:33)
So the idea of american drivers is gone
I wish people could be a bit more respectful to the fact that America consists of more than the United States of America. USF1 has actually signed an American driver (Argentine is in America last time I checked), so the idea of an American driver is not gone...
Those of you who are trying to make a comment about USF1 not having a US driver, please say so.
I'm sure it's just as annoying for people from South America not to be considered Americans, as it is for people from Ireland and Scotland to be called Englishmen...
QUOTE (loki @ Nov 22 2009, 05:28)
For what seems to be the millionth time RE: American drivers for USF1... there aren't any available now that could and others that might aren't quite ready. Point of fact that even those over here that could have made the jump haven't been in F1 car either. An Indycar is more between a GP2 and F1 car and even so those drivers haven't been racing on natural terrain road circuits. I'd rather see them with a couple of guys that have recent (more or less) F1 testing or driving experience who don't have to be the fastest to sort the car out for the first couple of years. During that time they can put a couple of good young bucks, say Rossi and Summerton in some good GP2 rides and hopefully the car will be at least sorted to be mid pack and they can slot the kids into the seats.
The problem is, those US drivers who could do it have comfy berths in Indycar (Rahal, Hunter-Reay) or NASCAR (Busch, Speed, Allmendinger) and aren't willing to leave them for a probably rear-of-the-grid F1 team. That leaves the "talented, but inexperienced group" - Rossi, Summerton, Hildebrand, Newgarden etc. who could probably only be justified as test drivers.
QUOTE (GerardF1 @ Nov 21 2009, 23:33)
So the idea of american drivers is gone
Their first signing appears to be a no name - paying driver.
If USF1 actually makes it onto the grid it will be a huge surprise
Their first signing appears to be a no name - paying driver.
If USF1 actually makes it onto the grid it will be a huge surprise
Argentina is a country in the South American Continent. They still have their American driver, pre se.
I am hoping they get a driver from the United States as well. I just hope it isnt Alexander Rossi.
Peter maybe should look at Trulli. They need a guy who can lead them and everyone so far mentioned can not do that. Trulli can help with just basic track to track set up. Peter pull it togather and get someone who can at least lead. As a American I don't want USF1 to be a joke.
I happen to find myself in Buenos Aires at the moment and can report there is plenty about this deal on the TV here.
Also, the highest octane petrol you can buy in this country is Fangio grade.
How cool is that!
Also, the highest octane petrol you can buy in this country is Fangio grade.
How cool is that!
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Argentine is in America last time I checked
Please check again
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I'm sure it's just as annoying for people from South America not to be considered Americans
I don't think Argentines would care to be considered 'Americans.'
Unless you preface it with 'North' or 'South', if you refer to someone as an 'American' you are speaking of someone from the United States of America. No one from Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina etc. would ever descibe themselves as an 'American'
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I am hoping they get a driver from the United States as well. I just hope it isnt Alexander Rossi.
Just curious, why don't you like Rossi?
QUOTE (fer312t @ Nov 23 2009, 02:15)
Please check again
I don't think Argentines would care to be considered 'Americans.'
Unless you preface it with 'North' or 'South', if you refer to someone as an 'American' you are speaking of someone from the United States of America. No one from Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina etc. would ever descibe themselves as an 'American'
I don't think Argentines would care to be considered 'Americans.'
Unless you preface it with 'North' or 'South', if you refer to someone as an 'American' you are speaking of someone from the United States of America. No one from Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina etc. would ever descibe themselves as an 'American'
So where would you place Argentine? It's a country on the American continent, right?
I have a friend from Chile, he considers himself as an American, but depending on who he speaks with (or basically when he speaks English) has to make it clear that America consists of more than the USA.
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
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America/Americas
In many parts of the world, America in the singular is commonly used as a name for the United States of America; however, (the) Americas (plural with s and generally with the definite article) invariably refers to the lands and regions of the Western hemisphere. Usage of America to also refer to this collectivity remains fairly common;[53] for example, the International Olympic Committee reckons America as one of the five inhabited continents, which is depicted in the Olympic logo.[54]
While many in the United States of America and other countries generally refer to the country as America and US residents/citizens as Americans,[55] many people elsewhere in the Americas resent what they perceive as misappropriation[56] of the term in this context and, thus, this usage is frequently avoided.[57][58][59] In Canada, their southern neighbor is seldom referred to as "America", with the United States, the U.S., or (informally) the States used instead.[58] English dictionaries and compendiums differ regarding usage and rendition.
In many parts of the world, America in the singular is commonly used as a name for the United States of America; however, (the) Americas (plural with s and generally with the definite article) invariably refers to the lands and regions of the Western hemisphere. Usage of America to also refer to this collectivity remains fairly common;[53] for example, the International Olympic Committee reckons America as one of the five inhabited continents, which is depicted in the Olympic logo.[54]
While many in the United States of America and other countries generally refer to the country as America and US residents/citizens as Americans,[55] many people elsewhere in the Americas resent what they perceive as misappropriation[56] of the term in this context and, thus, this usage is frequently avoided.[57][58][59] In Canada, their southern neighbor is seldom referred to as "America", with the United States, the U.S., or (informally) the States used instead.[58] English dictionaries and compendiums differ regarding usage and rendition.
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English usage
Whether usage of America or the Americas is preferred, American is a self-referential term for many people living in the Americas. However, much of the English-speaking world uses the word to refer solely to a citizen, resident, or national of the United States of America. Instead, the word pan-American is sometimes used as an unambiguous adjective to refer to the Americas.
In addition, many Canadians resent being referred to as Americans because of mistaken assumptions that they are U.S. citizens or an inability—particularly of people overseas—to distinguish Canadian English and American English accents.
Whether usage of America or the Americas is preferred, American is a self-referential term for many people living in the Americas. However, much of the English-speaking world uses the word to refer solely to a citizen, resident, or national of the United States of America. Instead, the word pan-American is sometimes used as an unambiguous adjective to refer to the Americas.
In addition, many Canadians resent being referred to as Americans because of mistaken assumptions that they are U.S. citizens or an inability—particularly of people overseas—to distinguish Canadian English and American English accents.
I agree that in everyday speak America is often used to describe the USA or that an American is someone from the USA. But, for me at least, it seems weird to write that USF1 have abandoned the idea of an American driver in the context where a driver from an American country has been signed (or is to be signed). In this context it would be more correct to actually write that they seem to have abandoned the idea of a US driver.
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 23 2009, 10:23)
So where would you place Argentine? It's a country on the American continent, right?
I have a friend from Chile, he considers himself as an American, but depending on who he speaks with (or basically when he speaks English) has to make it clear that America consists of more than the USA.
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
I agree that in everyday speak America is often used to describe the USA or that an American is someone from the USA. But, for me at least, it seems weird to write that USF1 have abandoned the idea of an American driver in the context where a driver from an American country has been signed (or is to be signed). In this context it would be more correct to actually write that they seem to have abandoned the idea of a US driver.
I have a friend from Chile, he considers himself as an American, but depending on who he speaks with (or basically when he speaks English) has to make it clear that America consists of more than the USA.
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
I agree that in everyday speak America is often used to describe the USA or that an American is someone from the USA. But, for me at least, it seems weird to write that USF1 have abandoned the idea of an American driver in the context where a driver from an American country has been signed (or is to be signed). In this context it would be more correct to actually write that they seem to have abandoned the idea of a US driver.
DFV is right. The US does not have sole custody of the term "Americans". Get some Balls USA.
Has Peter Windsor "say" anything lately?.
Ummm...
He can consider himself an American. But he is from South America not North America. That is the real distinction. DFV, you may have over simplified it a bit.
He can consider himself an American. But he is from South America not North America. That is the real distinction. DFV, you may have over simplified it a bit.
As an aside...When USF1 said they were going to get an 'American Driver', you can bet your house they meant American-United States Of America. Why do you think there was so much publicity concerning it?
Not wanting to add any fuel to this discussion but, here in Brazil:
- Ultra-nationalist parties would say that the America is more than the US, thus the habitants of the whole continent should be called Americans.
- Left-wing parties would say that the there is more on the continent then the US, that the Brazilian people is Latin American, that the US people is North American.
- Middle-wing parties would say the people from Brazil must be know as Brazilians, but people should understand that Americans are only not those that live in the US.
- (Neo)Liberals could not care less about it, and will ways refer to US people as Americans.
- The Brazilian people would never refer to themselves as Americans, because those are the gringos the became pink in color when visiting us. And also, those are the ones to blame for many conspiracy theories and the state of things in this world.
An interesting policy adopted by the local media is to call the US people as North Americans, those from Spanish speaking countries as Latin Americans (or the respective nationalism, more commonly) and distinguish the local people as Brazilians giving the idea that it's never included on the previous group.
- Ultra-nationalist parties would say that the America is more than the US, thus the habitants of the whole continent should be called Americans.
- Left-wing parties would say that the there is more on the continent then the US, that the Brazilian people is Latin American, that the US people is North American.
- Middle-wing parties would say the people from Brazil must be know as Brazilians, but people should understand that Americans are only not those that live in the US.
- (Neo)Liberals could not care less about it, and will ways refer to US people as Americans.
- The Brazilian people would never refer to themselves as Americans, because those are the gringos the became pink in color when visiting us. And also, those are the ones to blame for many conspiracy theories and the state of things in this world.
An interesting policy adopted by the local media is to call the US people as North Americans, those from Spanish speaking countries as Latin Americans (or the respective nationalism, more commonly) and distinguish the local people as Brazilians giving the idea that it's never included on the previous group.
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 23 2009, 11:23)
So where would you place Argentine? It's a country on the American continent, right?
I have a friend from Chile, he considers himself as an American, but depending on who he speaks with (or basically when he speaks English) has to make it clear that America consists of more than the USA.
I have a friend from Chile, he considers himself as an American, but depending on who he speaks with (or basically when he speaks English) has to make it clear that America consists of more than the USA.
Just to be pedantic. It's a language problem.
In Spanish, we count five continents: Europa, Asia, Ãfrica, América and OceanÃa. (6 if you count Antártida)
In English, there are six continents: Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America and Australia (7 with Antarctica).
So, speaking in Spanish, Lopez is clearly "Americano", while in English is South American.
In any case young Lopez would be driving for Team EE.UU wouldn't he?
I already posted on the other thread, but: it's about semantics. In English 'an American' means a person from USA. Whether it's arrogant or not, it's the meaning (or actually 1 meaning) of the word. It can also mean a person from Americas, but meaning is set by context. When Windsor and Anderson start a team called USF1 and say they want 'American drivers', it's kind of obvious...
QUOTE (sir jackie walker @ Nov 23 2009, 16:37)
I already posted on the other thread, but: it's about semantics. In English 'an American' means a person from USA. Whether it's arrogant or not, it's the meaning (or actually 1 meaning) of the word. It can also mean a person from Americas, but meaning is set by context. When Windsor and Anderson start a team called USF1 and say they want 'American drivers', it's kind of obvious...
When someone's from the USA, they are an American or a United States American.
When someone's from North America, other than the USA, they are a North American.
When someone's from South America, they are a South American.
Simple.
And nobody remembers Central America...
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Nov 21 2009, 23:55)
He could be on an Ide-ing to nothing.
He's got a lot more talent then Ide!
*Italian F.Renault Champion in 2002
*Formula Renault V6 Champion in 2003 (now Formula Renault 3.5)
*Argentinian Touring Car (TC2000) Champion in 2008
-In his 2 years GP2 he finished 6 times on the podium and won once, had one pole & one fastest lap)
-Tested for Renault & Minardi from 2004-2006
There are drivers in F1 with less on the CV then this argentinian.
I say give him a chance if USF1 want to do that.
http://www.forix.com/driver.php?l=0&d=...3042600&c=0
QUOTE (Ivan @ Nov 23 2009, 15:07)
As an aside...When USF1 said they were going to get an 'American Driver', you can bet your house they meant American-United States Of America. Why do you think there was so much publicity concerning it?
And I have not argued that at all. I also understand that it was a US driver they were talking of. That is not the argument I am raising. It's the issue of saying that they have abandoned the idea of hiring an American driver when the driver actually is from America. He just isn't from the United States of America.
But I get the point that others are raising and as I said earlier, I also know that American refers to a citizen of the USA in everyday speak. But for me, in this context where we are discussing an Argentinian driver, I'm just saying that it would make sense to be a bit more precise in the description of nationalities.
Semantics aside, USF1 will most likely not have a driver from the USA in 2010. Basically due to the fact that there are no US driver that is qualified for a Superlicense, as far as I understand.
QUOTE (Jedi_F1 @ Nov 23 2009, 17:12)
*Formula Renault V6 Champion in 2003 (now Formula Renault 3.5)
That's not entirely true. The current Formula Renault 3.5, better known as World Series by Renault, started in 2005 as a merge of the series you're talking about (FRenault V6 Eurocup) and another championship called World Series by Nissan. Which of the two is the "real" predecessor for World Series by Renault I'm not entirely sure, but the wikipedia seems to believe it is the World Series by Nissan - which was won in 2003 by Franck Montagny ahead of Heikki Kovalainen.
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 23 2009, 16:22)
[...] Basically due to the fact that there are no US driver that is qualified for a Superlicense, as far as I understand.
Not true.
There are American drivers qualified for the Superlicense, but they are not experienced in F1.
Take a look at the Appendix L of the FIA's ISC.
what is the point of the semantics about America = US vs American = North/Central/South.? I am missing the plot here.
They said they wished to employ US born drivers but that it wasn't a must. .. What is the mystery here?
someone with an IQ above 90 please.. ?
They said they wished to employ US born drivers but that it wasn't a must. .. What is the mystery here?
someone with an IQ above 90 please.. ?
Quoting myself:
People finds too many excuses to discuss about it.
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- Ultra-nationalist parties would say that the America is more than the US, thus the habitants of the whole continent should be called Americans.
People finds too many excuses to discuss about it.
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Nov 23 2009, 20:18)
That's not entirely true. The current Formula Renault 3.5, better known as World Series by Renault, started in 2005 as a merge of the series you're talking about (FRenault V6 Eurocup) and another championship called World Series by Nissan. Which of the two is the "real" predecessor for World Series by Renault I'm not entirely sure, but the wikipedia seems to believe it is the World Series by Nissan - which was won in 2003 by Franck Montagny ahead of Heikki Kovalainen.
yes, well we are both right....
the World Series by Nissan was a little bit better know back then (I remember its was already broadcasted on Eurosport)... before the Merge.
But the Formula Renault V6 had a 3.5l engine (like now) while the Nissan engine was a 3.0l.
There where only 2 F.Renault V6 championships (2003&2004)
the 2003 was Lopez, the 2004 was Mondini (was this year active in the Le Mans Series & 24Hours of le Mans)
Lopez won that year the championship against a certain... Neal Jani.
anyway ... I still consider it as a fine achievement comparable these days with a International Formula Master championship.
Now, let's see what Peter Windsor said to Sports Illustrated magazine just three months ago.
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We've been offered well over three-quarters of our racing budget by two drivers already, neither of whom have raced in Formula One but both have won races in GP2. Both of them have massive sponsorship they can bring us from their home country. Ken Anderson and I have got to be very strong, look one another in the eye and say, 'No, we're not going to accept that money, we're not going to hire those guys because we're going to remain true to our convictions'.
There are very good American drivers out there. To be honest, shame on Formula One and shame on American motorsport that some of these great young Americans with single-seater talent have not been nurtured more and given more opportunity.
There are very good American drivers out there. To be honest, shame on Formula One and shame on American motorsport that some of these great young Americans with single-seater talent have not been nurtured more and given more opportunity.
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 23 2009, 20:28)
Not true.
There are American drivers qualified for the Superlicense, but they are not experienced in F1.
Take a look at the Appendix L of the FIA's ISC.
There are American drivers qualified for the Superlicense, but they are not experienced in F1.
Take a look at the Appendix L of the FIA's ISC.
Well, first of all. Appendix L doesn't list any names but the qualifications needed to apply for a Superlicense.
I suspect that you refer to Article 5.1.2 d when you mention US drivers (as I understand that is what we are talking about) qualified for the superlicense?
Which US driver qualifies under Article 5.1.2 d? I can't find any US driver that has finished in the top 4 in the Indy Racing League the last two years.
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 23 2009, 21:03)
Now, let's see what Peter Windsor said to Sports Illustrated magazine just three months ago.
In other words, Windsor's PR drivel is once again undermined by the reality of running a team.
QUOTE (OnyxF1 @ Nov 23 2009, 21:08)
In other words, Windsor's PR drivel is once again undermined by the reality of running a team.
Yup. The man talks out of his friction circle.
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 23 2009, 21:50)
Yup. The man talks out of his friction circle.
I still don't think the team will make it.
Not for a 'moment'
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 23 2009, 21:50)
Yup. The man talks out of his friction circle.
Figures. I think that's the only thing he's good at. He reminds me of a certain CEO at (Brawn) Mercedes.
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I still don't think the team will make it.
Not for a 'moment'
Not for a 'moment'
It'll probably make it, but I'm not so sure whether it'll last the season. In order to survive it's going to need respectable results and an American driver they can market.
I thought Canadian Rob Wickens was the only North American driver (other than JV one presumes) with a Superlicence.
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 23 2009, 09:02)
And nobody remembers Central America...
We call them illegal immigrants
[DUCKS!]
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 23 2009, 22:06)
Which US driver qualifies under Article 5.1.2 d? I can't find any US driver that has finished in the top 4 in the Indy Racing League the last two years.
Scott Speed no problem except that he's not interested in returning. Patrick, Rahal and Andretti (5,7,8 in Indycar this season) could pass the test with the 300k testing rule. Even with a US driver I wouldn't look to see that much more interest in F1 as far as fans are concerned. What USF1 could provide is a marketing platform for US based tech companies that want to use F1 as a B to B platform. Not having a US driver in the first couple of years (or at all for that matter) just isn't that big a deal.
QUOTE (loki @ Nov 24 2009, 03:03)
Scott Speed no problem except that he's not interested in returning. Patrick, Rahal and Andretti (5,7,8 in Indycar this season) could pass the test with the 300k testing rule. Even with a US driver I wouldn't look to see that much more interest in F1 as far as fans are concerned. What USF1 could provide is a marketing platform for US based tech companies that want to use F1 as a B to B platform. Not having a US driver in the first couple of years (or at all for that matter) just isn't that big a deal.
You are probably correct and I agree about it not being a big deal not having a US driver for the first few years.
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 23 2009, 19:06)
Which US driver qualifies under Article 5.1.2 d? I can't find any US driver that has finished in the top 4 in the Indy Racing League the last two years.
Apologize my lack of knowledge about IRL's final stands at this period, I've supposed that at least one American could have being in top 4.
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 24 2009, 14:39)
Apologize my lack of knowledge about IRL's final stands at this period, I've supposed that at least one American could have being in top 4.
In the last two years, the highest placed US driver was Danica Patrick both times in sixth and fifth.
QUOTE (Ensign @ Nov 23 2009, 19:45)
I thought Canadian Rob Wickens was the only North American driver (other than JV one presumes) with a Superlicence.
Sadly, this is true, which also proves how sad of state the Indycar Series is. You get a Superlicense if you finish in the Top-3. Sadly, No American did last year. (Patrick was the closest finishing 5th)
Most Americans like driving big heavy milk trucks around ovals for 4 hours.
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 24 2009, 12:46)
In the last two years, the highest placed US driver was Danica Patrick both times in sixth and fifth.
That's right. I've checked the stands on wikipedia to realize that too.
Danica the best US' OW driver...
Sometime ago, there was a compiled list based on the Appendix L of the driver who could apply for the Superlicense.
maybe someone could repost or recompile it.
QUOTE (DFV @ Nov 23 2009, 14:22)
But for me, in this context where we are discussing an Argentinian driver, I'm just saying that it would make sense to be a bit more precise in the description of nationalities.
I raise the same question as I always do when this ridiculous pendantic argument comes up, since I've yet to recieve a reasonable answer. What exactly would you call someone from the United States of America in order "to be a bit more precise in the description of nationaltilites" rather than use the extremely commonly accepted term "American?" How about "USAan?" Please enlighten me as to what other term exists short of the mouthful- "person from the United States of America" (as there are or have been other countries with the term United States in their name).
I would think that the Argentinian in question would first prefer to be referred to as an Argentinian before being referred to as American; much as I think that a German would rather be called a German before a European, an Egyptian be called an Egyptian before an African, a Chinese person be called Chinese before an Asian, etc., etc., etc.
Pretty strange when there are two US drivers testing F1 cars:
Force India to test Di Resta, Hildebrand
BMW to test Rossi, Gutierrez
And neither of them is USF1
Force India to test Di Resta, Hildebrand
BMW to test Rossi, Gutierrez
And neither of them is USF1
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