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peroa
QUOTE (Tomecek @ Oct 4 2009, 18:24) *
I just learned Alonso knew about conspiracy frown.gif

I cannot prove it, it won't change anything, I just though you would like to know...

Alonso is super inteligent driver and of course he was asking why he has such a strategy. He has always questions up.gif

That's the point when they told him...

Do with that information what you want...


Did anybody really believe he didn't know?


QUOTE (jcbc3 @ Oct 4 2009, 20:03) *
I believe you. Because it makes too much sense. And that you seem to have the inside line on many things.

Apparently you can't divulge your source. But since you have the info, many other must also. Can you give us a low-down on why THEY don't do anything with this.


To keep it short:
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gm914
Tomecek- grow a pair and publish it or take it to the FIA- you're supposed to be a proper journo, right?
Screw what you may think is right or wrong and follow that lead.
Bet you don't....
Buttoneer
QUOTE (peroa @ Oct 7 2009, 13:37) *
Did anybody really believe he didn't know?

After? No. He'd have to be dumb to not suss. Before? I think the jury is still out and Tomeceks post doesn't really change that at all.
The Truth
QUOTE (Tomecek @ Oct 4 2009, 16:24) *
I just learned Alonso knew about conspiracy frown.gif

I cannot prove it, it won't change anything, I just though you would like to know...

Alonso is super inteligent driver and of course he was asking why he has such a strategy. He has always questions up.gif

That's the point when they told him...

Do with that information what you want...



I just learnt he wasnt told. He asked questions for the strategy and was given reasonable explanations that had nothing to do with the conspiracy, just like how hamilton was given reasons for using the same strategy in australia while starting from the back of the grid.

Do with that information what you want...
The Truth
QUOTE (jcbc3 @ Oct 4 2009, 18:03) *
I believe you. Because it makes too much sense. And that you seem to have the inside line on many things.


Why would you believe a random internet poster posing to be an inside mole? Just because you like what he tells you? He has no authority whatsoever, unless of course he posts credible evidence, which is the hard part.
Gareth
In light of this thread: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...=114592&hl= simply dismissing Tomecek as someone who's pretending to post inside info doesn't quite work.

Not saying he's right on this one. Just that he does have more credibility than many anonymous forumers.
The Truth
QUOTE (Gareth @ Oct 7 2009, 13:09) *
In light of this thread: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...=114592&hl= simply dismissing Tomecek as someone who's pretending to post inside info doesn't quite work.

Not saying he's right on this one. Just that he does have more credibility than many anonymous forumers.


Not really. The singapore issue was investigated thoroughly and no one implicated Alonso, he couldnt possibly know more than the FIA investigators. His justification for Alonso being told is the same tired and discredited argument that was floating around here from the beginning. 'Alonso asked about the strategy so they must have told him about the fix'.If thats the best he has then he cant be taken seriously.
Gareth
QUOTE (The Truth @ Oct 7 2009, 14:20) *
he couldnt possibly know more than the FIA investigators

confused.gif You think FIA investigators are omipotent now? Oh and Renault knew more than the FIA investigators - they found Witness X. There could be more and Tomecek could have found out about it. From his past record, he's almost certainly not making this up for fun.

Again: doesn't mean it's true. But the simple dismissals you're attempting don't exactly work either.
Buttoneer
QUOTE (The Truth @ Oct 7 2009, 14:20) *
Not really.

Yeah really. Tomecek has more credibility than someone who's only been following F1 since September. Lots more.
The Truth
QUOTE (Gareth @ Oct 7 2009, 13:27) *
confused.gif You think FIA investigators are omipotent now? Oh and Renault knew more than the FIA investigators - they found Witness X. There could be more and Tomecek could have found out about it. From his past record, he's almost certainly not making this up for fun.

Again: doesn't mean it's true. But the simple dismissals you're attempting don't exactly work either.


Hes a journalist (so he says) posting rumours at best, until he provides some evidence. There have been rumours about Alonso knowing fromt he beginning because hes a smart driver who must have asked about the strategy. Thats old news im afraid.
Gareth
QUOTE (The Truth @ Oct 7 2009, 14:37) *
Hes a journalist (so he says) posting rumours at best, until he provides some evidence. There have been rumours about Alonso knowing fromt he beginning because hes a smart driver who must have asked about the strategy. Thats old news im afraid.

[my emphasis added]

Tomecek has posted that Alonso did ask about the strategy and was told about the plan. Given his record he I expect he: (a) has heard that (ie is not making it up); and (b) has heard it from someone who could be in a position to know - ie a reputable source. That is very different to what you are making it out to be.

Whether Tomecek's source has it right or not, I do not know. But this is more than just "Alonso haterz want to come up with any reason to bash without a shred of evidence".
The Truth
QUOTE (Gareth @ Oct 7 2009, 13:41) *
Whether Tomecek's source has it right or not, I do not know.


Thats right we dont know so his post means zero until further notice.

Gareth
QUOTE (The Truth @ Oct 7 2009, 14:44) *
Thats right we dont know so his post means zero until further notice.

It doesn't mean zero. It means that someone with credibility has said that Alonso was aware of it. Do with that information what you wish.
The Truth
QUOTE (Gareth @ Oct 7 2009, 13:52) *
It doesn't mean zero. It means that someone with credibility has said that Alonso was aware of it. Do with that information what you wish.


The question is his level of credibility. He might have more than the average random troll, but thats not saying much at all.
crashgate
He should give it to Kimi for him to use it as a toilet
as65p
"Alonso knew!" rumouring is just too sexy to simply disappear for lack of proof. No way.

On the contrary, this will be with us for years.

Now let's all give a big round of applause to philantrophic journalists who, instead of publishing their insider info and become famous, simply post their knowledge anonymously on this board clap.gif

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as65p
QUOTE (Gareth @ Oct 7 2009, 16:15) *
I'm quite up for that. It might be stuff they can't publish, for whatever reason, but it's still good to know about. The difficulty is seperating the fakers from the genuine. But if you know they're genuine, the posts they provide can assist with insight.


Okay. I'm trying to figure what it takes for you consider me genuine enough to trust me 20 quid which I'll make into 100 in a years time. Right now I think it's accomplishable... I have inside info, you know! wink.gif

On another note, "for whatever reason", what might those be? In this day and age, where Max Mosley can be trapped without any serious consequences for the publishers of that half-dodgy story, what might hinder a journalist to make himself a household name in the business by simply speaking the alleged truth? The Bernie death-squads? smile.gif
Gareth
QUOTE (as65p @ Oct 7 2009, 15:29) *
Okay. I'm trying to figure what it takes for you consider me genuine enough to trust me 20 quid which I'll make into 100 in a years time. Right now I think it's accomplishable... I have inside info, you know! wink.gif

On past record, I'd trust you enough to head out for a beer and chat F1 with. I'd even turn 20 quid into as many beers as I could for you biggrin.gif

QUOTE (as65p @ Oct 7 2009, 15:29) *
On another note, "for whatever reason", what might those be? In this day and age, where Max Mosley can be trapped without any serious consequences for the publishers of that half-dodgy story, what might hinder a journalist to make himself a household name in the business by simply speaking the alleged truth? The Bernie death-squads? smile.gif

Source has said not to publish? Would mean that publishing would lead to either a lost defamation case (source refuses to repeat what he said to you) and/or limitation of career as sources dry up thanks to shoddy treatment of this source.
glorius&victorius
Give it to Massa (with a smile) at their first meeting since him becoming an Ferrari driver...

as65p
QUOTE (Gareth @ Oct 7 2009, 16:35) *
On past record, I'd trust you enough to head out for a beer and chat F1 with. I'd even turn 20 quid into as many beers as I could for you biggrin.gif


Nice up.gif , same here!

QUOTE
Source has said not to publish? Would mean that publishing would lead to either a lost defamation case (source refuses to repeat what he said to you) and/or limitation of career as sources dry up thanks to shoddy treatment of this source.


I don't know exactly about the legal consequences, but isn't it possible to publish it just for what it is, in your example insider info with a big disclaimer that you personally have no means to validate either way and that your source isn't prepared to testify in court? That wouldn't be the same as publishing a complete story with proof, witnesses and all that, but IMO still big news. Maybe I'm naive but isn't that exactly what journos should be after all the time?
After all, that's what Tomecek is doing anyway by posting it here, just in a pretty half-assed way. I hope he doesn't entertain the thought that his true identity can't be found out, if the urge were great enough.
Biggles Flies Undone
QUOTE (The Truth @ Oct 7 2009, 14:08) *
Why would you believe a random internet poster posing to be an inside mole? Just because you like what he tells you? He has no authority whatsoever, unless of course he posts credible evidence, which is the hard part.


Hardly random with 6000 posts to his name, almost as many as you ?

You also don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to work out from the name Tomecek that he is a Czech journalist rolleyes.gif
klover
Display it proudly in his personal locker at Maranello, so that Felipe can see it every time he passes by.
pedrovski
So Alonso knowing about it could be the new "big scandal" we've been waiting for Todt comes in as prez bans alonso or offers leniency in exchange for luca's head?
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