I think you're getting your years confused. It was Lewis that won the title the year (2008) of the Singapore Grand prix Race Fix Scandal.

And...what was undeserving of Kimi's title in 2007? He won 2 more races than the next most winning driver, and finished with the most points.

Out of interest, what criteria would YOU use to select the WDC?

And another Alonso bashing thread. This is getting ridiculous. We should have "The official Alonso bashers thread" where all the haters could throw all the s**t there.

He is not getting anything confused. He is referring to the illegal cars at the last GP of the year that were not DQ'd. If they were, Hamilton would have been champ.

He would probably use a consistent criteria for penalties.

+1

I would participate.

Agreed. silly, silly, silly. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, bash, bash. Move on.

Fanboys need to suck it up,yesterday's verdict is still fresh in people's minds.Don't like,don't read.

He should keep it and be proud of it. (yes I'm serious) He drove a brilliant race, managed to stay in front of Rosberg and fight dehydration. Even taking Piquets crash into account it was a great drive. WMSC confirmed he didn't know about it so no reason to do anything about it

I thought Hamilton stood on the top podium step 5 times and Massa 4 ?

I agree with this.
Obviously he wouldn't have won it without the crash, but I'm sure the majority of the drivers wouldn't have won it even with the help of the crash. It wasn't as easy as it seems, I remember he was totally exhausted after the race.

I was referring to the matter discussed here: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=115467.

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Damn that's ugly!

Neat,he could've at least thanked his teammate for that.



About the race,all drivers on track were as exhausted as Alonso was: would his race have been 'excellent' if he had finished fifteenth as deserved? Don't think so.

This in the weak point of the crashgate decision: the result was unchanged.

I'm not an Alonso fan, far from it, but...
I don't believe that he knew of the plan,(though he may have suspected something afterwards).
He drove a good race, he didn't do anything wrong, the race result hasn't been changed.
There's no reason for him to do anything with the trophy.

In many ways this is the trophy which will have the very best story attached to it, and will probably be the one he looks at most frequently. OK, maybe along with the first.

The upcoming weekend is a big chance for Alonso to display some class. He should give back the trophy to the Singapore race organizers with a public apology for what happened last year at the very same place.

It doesn't matter if he knew about the plot or not; he profited from the plot, and the he was the one intended to profit from the plot.
It would be nice to see some dignity, but I doubt it will happen.

Enshrine the trophy where Jr crashed.

QUOTE (Colombo @ Sep 22 2009, 17:45)
Alonso undeservedly won the race, Räikkönen undeservedly won the title. But as the results must be allowed to stay, they should keep their trophies, what else.

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i see you are still bashing kimi on every subject on this board.you have an unhealthy hate/dislike for him which i do not understand.you do not contribute/talk about nothing else but kimis fake 2007 wdc.i like and appreciate ALL f1 drivers past and present.....how can you dislike a person who you dont know?,that has done nothing to effect your life?

The honourable thing would to return the trophy to FIA. I doubt he would do that anyway. God forbid if he was to win this weekend. That would be terrible in public opinion.

How i wish that Alonso wins at Singapore. F1 would again provide so much fun.

And last years trophy, he should shove it up Briatore's thong.

Yeah, imagen Alonso pitting and then Grosjean will tell himself "Romain, DO NOT CRASH NOW OR PEOPLE WILL THINK BADLY!!" and poof he goes. Then Alonso goes out front thanks to a safety car.

He should put the trophy on a special pedestal (perhaps a statue of Briatore), so that it stands high above all the rest...

Keep it of course. Can you imagine what it will be worth in 40 years when he needs a pension?
If I was Alonso I´d get Flavio, Jnr and Pat S to autograph the thing. That should add a million or two to its value.

I were Alonso I'd basically do this

Two things.

1. Keep it
or
2. Bury it in his back yard/toss it off a boat.

2 is done privately if he can't stand to look at it.

How can a cheating victory be deserved? Rosberg is the only true Singapore 2008 winner! So Nando should send or gave it to him.
But I am not sure he will do that? Or does he has the balls to do it?

I´ll sent it to Massa. If Piquet doesnt crash Massa would be WDC so at least give him the trophy that make him 2nd.

I think he should plant something in it.

A nice flax or something.

smart to place the nelson photo on the bottom of the trophy so no one will notice it.

so senna should have been denied 1 wdc

Rosberg lucked into 2nd place after profiting from Nelsinho's crash as well, effectively by "breaking the rules" as this article says - http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1781

Nelsinho, Massa, Trulli (held about everybody else up for ages which was instrumental for Alonso's win) could be some alternative recipients.

I'm not going to bother reading the thread as its time for bed, however if its possible (not sure if it is), he should auction the trophy for charity. Renault should auction theirs too. If they did it properly, those trophies would fetch a lot of money.

Not luck when there is a deliberate crash. Wrong place to use that quote

Yes

I reckon Fred could extract an ash tray and a couple of sets of pan pipes.

Excuse me? In my memory Massa ruined his own race by ripping the fuel hose with him to the track. Which was a result of the Ferrari pitstop light system failure.

agreed: f1 pit stops are professional enough that 9/10 stops should be 'perfect'. if massa was going to fluff up, the situation wasn't going to change regardless of what lap it ocurred.

and alonso should do nothing with the trophy. for some1 who has been cleared of any wrong doing in this particular case, there wouldn't be any point in giving it to the FiA or to the Singo GP organisers. no matter whose hands the trophy is in, it's still the same trophy that has a tainted result attached. Does the Singapore GP organiser or the FIA want this trophy knowing the result was fixed? It's not as if they'll go "Oh, we'll just take the plaque off the 08 trophy and use it for the 09 race."

having said that, it would probably go somewhere near the back of his trophy room.

Off topic but related: I wonder how Alonso feels about Flavio now, and what their relationship will be like from now on. (NO pics of the thong!)
I mean, they seemed to be quite friendly outside the track too, they celebrated New Year's Eve together etc, Alonso once said that "he's more a friend to me than a boss, most of the time we don't talk about races but personal things. "

Absolutely! Massa's 13th place finish had nothing to do with what Renault did...

Yes, Kimi won it fair and square and Colombo simply hates Kimi, but you also seem to hate Lewis who also won it fair and square despite being given at least one penalty out of the blue.

So, haters - deal with it

Why do you think he didn't knew about the plan? I think he knew very well or at least have been hinted before very race. Why? Cause his race strategy would be catastrophic in normal race conditions. To go on a short stint, lose time passing drivers on track just to get refueled?? Makes absolutely no sense. Do you really think Alonso knows less about race strategy than average F1 fan?

Average F1 fan should probably read Pat Symonds letter (right at the end of the WMSC dossier) were he explains pretty conclusively his reasoning for Alonso's strategy and among other things points out how, for example, Hamilton was given an even more agressive variant of such a strategy in Australia this year.

Or maybe that just means that McLaren had a similar plan that day?

The trophy should be protected from being taken away until it is all settled and it's clear to whom it belongs. He could ask Flavio to sit on it until the court process is over.

Not withstanding the truth about Alonsos strategy, even you have to admit that he only won the race because his team fixed it for him. Yes?

I already have said so elsewhere.

But especially for you as a valued poster, I got no problem saying it again: Yes.

Okay?

Heck, it's plain to see! Only the kind of people who maintain that a lie doesn't make you a liar would dispute it...

In any case I think the looks of the trophy match it's now value perfectly. So best leave it as is. Even people not knowing anything about crashgate will probably suspect something smelly only by looking at the thing...

Wait, are you trying to tell me that they told Piquet to crash just for the sake of fun?

Give it as a birthday gift to Flavio.. all wrapped up in a way he would never suspect