What do you think he should do?
Tbh, I'm surpirsed he hasn't come out and said/done anything
Full Version: What should Alonso do with his tainted Singapore trophy?
The honourable thing to do would be to send it back to the FIA.
QUOTE (mountford @ Sep 22 2009, 08:14) 
What do you think he should do?
Tbh, I'm surpirsed he hasn't come out and said/done anything
Tbh, I'm surpirsed he hasn't come out and said/done anything
good question..........maybe he should give it to the guy who really won the race...pk, jr
Pk's only win....
give it to Flavio 
Put Flavio's head in it and give it to Max.
Brilliant question. Hope some journalist has the cojones to ask him in the press conference.
QUOTE (mountford @ Sep 22 2009, 14:14)
What do you think he should do?
He should do what Briatore would do........
Charge Nico $50 a look at it....
(only kidding)
He should put it somewhere that the sun never shines. But does this apply to Senor Alonso?
Seriously, he should just keep it and ignore the mutterings. They will disappear soon enough.
Mario Andretti used to say that luck evens out over a season. I guess the same applies to "unworthy" wins. There may well have been wins that Alonso deserved but were actually won by others through cheating of some kind. You can never tell unless someone like Piquet comes forward.
But considering the flak Piquet gets from so-called fans and F1 insiders, its hardly encouragement for others to come forward....
Mario Andretti used to say that luck evens out over a season. I guess the same applies to "unworthy" wins. There may well have been wins that Alonso deserved but were actually won by others through cheating of some kind. You can never tell unless someone like Piquet comes forward.
But considering the flak Piquet gets from so-called fans and F1 insiders, its hardly encouragement for others to come forward....
Alonso should get Drunk play some rugby with it, ding it up a little and put it back in the cabinet, give a bit of character to the multi story flower vase.
QUOTE (mountford @ Sep 22 2009, 09:14)
What do you think he should do?
Tbh, I'm surpirsed he hasn't come out and said/done anything
Tbh, I'm surpirsed he hasn't come out and said/done anything
Send it to Piquet as a gift for all his hard work
Sell it on ebay with the title "The scandal trophy"
Alonso race was stunning, with or without the crash !
he deserved it, also i don't really see what this flaming bash has to be chated!
he deserved it, also i don't really see what this flaming bash has to be chated!
QUOTE (Monad @ Sep 22 2009, 14:47)
Sell it on ebay with the title "The scandal trophy"
And donate the proceeds to a worthy charity. Bring some good from the bad.
See if "it fits".
Leave it as it is and go for the Next.
Silly thread.
Silly thread.
he worked a lot for it, he has no fault for his team's wrong doings.
Not his fan, but this is getting ridicoulous.
it's a page of history and history cannot (and should not be) re-written
time to move on
Not his fan, but this is getting ridicoulous.
it's a page of history and history cannot (and should not be) re-written
time to move on
If it's tainted it needs a clean. here's some cleaning tips I found on the interwebs.
Interesting that they found a use for all the aluminium foil hats that people were wearing before crashgate was discovered to be true.
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MAKE YOUR OWN SILVER DIP
When silver oxidizes, it tarnishes. Tarnish dips work to repair and remove tarnish from quality silver. Most commercial dips are used when heavy, dark colored tarnish cannot be removed with traditional pastes or polishes. Chemical dips are wiped on silver with cotton balls and specialized applicators, and then submerged in a chemical make up of acid and a complexing agent. You can make your own chemical dip by following these instructions:
1. Fill sink full of steaming hot water.
2. Mix 2-tablespoons salt and 2-tablespoons baking soda in bowl.
3. Add mixture to sink of hot water.
4. Cut a small sheet of aluminum foil and push it to the bottom of sink.
5. Dip silver items. Most tarnish will slide off. For stubborn stains, allow them to sit for up to 5-minutes at a time.
6. Rinse well.
7. Dry.
8. Store properly.
When silver oxidizes, it tarnishes. Tarnish dips work to repair and remove tarnish from quality silver. Most commercial dips are used when heavy, dark colored tarnish cannot be removed with traditional pastes or polishes. Chemical dips are wiped on silver with cotton balls and specialized applicators, and then submerged in a chemical make up of acid and a complexing agent. You can make your own chemical dip by following these instructions:
1. Fill sink full of steaming hot water.
2. Mix 2-tablespoons salt and 2-tablespoons baking soda in bowl.
3. Add mixture to sink of hot water.
4. Cut a small sheet of aluminum foil and push it to the bottom of sink.
5. Dip silver items. Most tarnish will slide off. For stubborn stains, allow them to sit for up to 5-minutes at a time.
6. Rinse well.
7. Dry.
8. Store properly.
Interesting that they found a use for all the aluminium foil hats that people were wearing before crashgate was discovered to be true.
QUOTE (taran @ Sep 22 2009, 06:32)
Seriously, he should just keep it and ignore the mutterings. They will disappear soon enough.
Mario Andretti used to say that luck evens out over a season. I guess the same applies to "unworthy" wins. There may well have been wins that Alonso deserved but were actually won by others through cheating of some kind. You can never tell unless someone like Piquet comes forward.
Mario Andretti used to say that luck evens out over a season. I guess the same applies to "unworthy" wins. There may well have been wins that Alonso deserved but were actually won by others through cheating of some kind. You can never tell unless someone like Piquet comes forward.
Are you serious?
"unworthy wins" like this will even out during the season? God! Jesus! How stupid can one be? Erm, sorry, just give us few examples of as ruthless rule-breaking tactics from other teams in order to win one race (not WDC/WCC) and I will then agree with you.
QUOTE (ForMules @ Sep 22 2009, 14:53)
he deserved it
No he didn't. His team cheated to get it for him.
Had he been driving a car with illegal rocket fuel, completely unknown to him, and had he driven the greatest race of all time, he still would not deserve the win as it would have been as a result of cheating.
Give it to Junior for him and his "friend" for use as a B*tt Plug.
Ouch
Ouch
QUOTE (alfiebengal @ Sep 22 2009, 14:59)
Give it to Junior for him and his "friend" for use as a B*tt Plug.
Ouch
Ouch
QUOTE (RockOn @ Sep 22 2009, 15:26)
its the same, he didnot react to any of the racist spectators in Barcelona
maybe he was secretly happy someone did that?! ( i am just speculating )
Same here he is secretly happy to have won that GP??
maybe he was secretly happy someone did that?! ( i am just speculating )
Same here he is secretly happy to have won that GP??
You are just diffamating. Why he would be happy of it? And how is that he did not react when in fact he did? The only thing Alonso did not is accepting the fake statements from the British press. When there have been trully racist slurs against anyone, he has talked, as those who opened a web site against Hamilton.
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/424997/0/alonso/web/racista/
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"¿Web contra Hamilton? Condeno cualquier actitud racista, ojalá sea la última"
(Web against Hamilton? I condemn any racist behaviour, I wish this is the last one)
I think the only pourpose for this thread is to bash ALonso, it's pretty clear.
Btw, This thread is silly and demagogery. What should Alonso do? Nothing.
Such a shame that it happened to such a nice looking trophy. 
Not like the European GP trophy.
Not like the European GP trophy.
QUOTE (Gareth @ Sep 22 2009, 16:59)
No he didn't. His team cheated to get it for him.
Had he been driving a car with illegal rocket fuel, completely unknown to him, and had he driven the greatest race of all time, he still would not deserve the win as it would have been as a result of cheating.
Had he been driving a car with illegal rocket fuel, completely unknown to him, and had he driven the greatest race of all time, he still would not deserve the win as it would have been as a result of cheating.
his car and everything touching it were 100% legal. his win is as leagal as nico's 2nd place.
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
If at Brazil last year Hamilton had crashed out at the start and then Heikki, whilst being lapped on the last lap by Massa in a clear first place, had punted out Massa following a radio conversation in which the team said "Heikki, Massa about to pass you, punt him out and we will give you $5m" would you have felt a Hamilton WDC was legal?
QUOTE (One @ Sep 22 2009, 15:55)
Leave it as it is and go for the Next.
Silly thread.
Silly thread.
Put it in the bathroom where the toilet is.
That's the most logical of all places.
That's the most logical of all places.
Good question Gareth
Personally, I think he knew, but basically - its not his problem. And about his win, yes, for me its tainted as is Massa's Spa victory or Schumacher's Monza 2006 for example.
Personally, I think he knew, but basically - its not his problem. And about his win, yes, for me its tainted as is Massa's Spa victory or Schumacher's Monza 2006 for example.
He should keep it in the car with hin this weekend, and chuck it at the wall when driving past Turn 17 to bring out the Safety car after fueling early.
Might work ;)
Might work ;)
Melt it down. Make some attractive jewellery with it. Send the jewellery to Luca Di Montezemelo in the hope of securing a 2010 Ferrari seat.
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Sep 22 2009, 17:04)
his car and everything touching it were 100% legal. his win is as leagal as nico's 2nd place.
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
Don't you forget something... Alonso was a part of a TEAM which manoeuvred the race win to him illegally...
Not to mention his own part of the whole deal... oh I forgot that he, the ultimate team builder, motivator, innovator etc, he never know anything that happends around him...yeah
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Sep 22 2009, 16:04)
his car and everything touching it were 100% legal. his win is as leagal as nico's 2nd place.
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
You forget that the reason he was short fueled was because of what was being planned. Thus the win is tainted and not a win in my book. At all.
Take a picture of himself with it and send it to this topic
QUOTE (mountford @ Sep 22 2009, 18:44)
What do you think he should do?
Auction it on ebay. Use the proceeds to buy the autosport forum off the publishers Haymarket, and shut it down for good.
He should take it off his shelf, put it in a suitcase and fly out to Brazil to see the injured Massa. Then he should open the case, take out the trophy, and BE ALL LIKE NERRR NER NER NERRRR NER IN YO' FACE, then put it back in the case, fly back home, and put it on the highest shelf in his trophy room.
I think that would be the morally right thing to do.
I think that would be the morally right thing to do.
QUOTE (GhostR @ Sep 22 2009, 14:53)
And donate the proceeds to a worthy charity. Bring some good from the bad.
That's a bloody good idea. Ebay it, processed to JT's earthquake charity.
QUOTE (Owen @ Sep 22 2009, 15:38)
Melt it down. Make some attractive jewellery with it. Send the jewellery to Luca Di Montezemelo in the hope of securing a 2010 Ferrari seat.
Ok, second thoughts.
Bash Piquet Jnr over the head with it (try and get a good back swing). And tell him to stand up, be a man, and don't just follow orders all the time when he knows they are just plain wrong!!!
Alonso undeservedly won the race, Räikkönen undeservedly won the title. But as the results must be allowed to stay, they should keep their trophies, what else.
GC
GC
If he was man enough,he'd return it or come out with a statement. Else stick it up his ass and feel the pain: I'm sure it'll fit.
QUOTE (Colombo @ Sep 22 2009, 17:45)
Alonso undeservedly won the race, Räikkönen undeservedly won the title. But as the results must be allowed to stay, they should keep their trophies, what else.
GC
GC
Why would you say such a silly thing? What has Raikkonen to do with this topic? Besides - he had the most wins and would have won in any points system that has ever been used in F1. No one deserved it more than him with his stellar performance in the second part of the season.
If a championship should be questioned in this topic it should be Hamiltons which is from the year in question here. If this cheating had not happened, one could argue that the pit stop wouldnt have been as stressed and the fuel hose thing would have been avoided and Massa gone on to win the race and eventually the championship. Instead Hamilton won it with less wins than Massa. I mean - since you brought up the whole undeserved thing yourself.
Here's the trophy;
It's quite likely he won't like it up him.
It's quite likely he won't like it up him.
QUOTE (Colombo @ Sep 22 2009, 18:45)
Alonso undeservedly won the race, Räikkönen undeservedly won the title. But as the results must be allowed to stay, they should keep their trophies, what else.
GC
GC
It is hilarious how you manage to turn any thread to Kimi bashing... keep up the good work
He certainly won't: that's the whole point to sticking something like that up one's backside.
QUOTE (PassWind @ Sep 22 2009, 16:32)
Alonso should get Drunk play some rugby with it, ding it up a little and put it back in the cabinet, give a bit of character to the multi story flower vase.
Yeah, cos it has no story to go with it right now
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Sep 22 2009, 17:05)
It's quite likely he won't like it up him.
He might be ok provided he doesn't panic.
Oh and explanatory link for those that find this weird.
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Sep 22 2009, 16:56)
he worked a lot for it, he has no fault for his team's wrong doings.
Not his fan, but this is getting ridicoulous.
it's a page of history and history cannot (and should not be) re-written
time to move on
Not his fan, but this is getting ridicoulous.
it's a page of history and history cannot (and should not be) re-written
time to move on
Nobody is proposing going back in time to take away the trophy. We want to do it in the present. So we are not rewriting history, we are writing the new one.
QUOTE (yr @ Sep 22 2009, 16:57)
Are you serious?
"unworthy wins" like this will even out during the season? God! Jesus! How stupid can one be? Erm, sorry, just give us few examples of as ruthless rule-breaking tactics from other teams in order to win one race (not WDC/WCC) and I will then agree with you.
"unworthy wins" like this will even out during the season? God! Jesus! How stupid can one be? Erm, sorry, just give us few examples of as ruthless rule-breaking tactics from other teams in order to win one race (not WDC/WCC) and I will then agree with you.
As ordered:
Barrichello allows Schumacher through in the 2002 Austrian GP to take the win. Later in the year Schumacher "wants to make a kewl photo finish and screws up" allowing Barrichello through to take the US GP win.
Any more questions?
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Sep 22 2009, 17:04)
his car and everything touching it were 100% legal. his win is as leagal as nico's 2nd place.
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
nothing ilegal on it, nothing ilegal in the procedures running it, nothing ilegal in driving it.
the fact somebody else caused a crash and he benefited from it does and should not affect alonso. strip the team's points, whatever, but the win is his.
all he did is short fuel wich is (i guess) legal
Except that he wouldn't have gotten the win if the team hadn't cheated. Can you follow the logic here: team cheats, Alonso wins. Team cheating bad , therefore Alonso win bad.
QUOTE (Dolph @ Sep 22 2009, 17:16)
As ordered:
Barrichello allows Schumacher through in the 2002 Austrian GP to take the win. Later in the year Schumacher "wants to make a kewl photo finish and screws up" allowing Barrichello through to take the US GP win.
Any more questions?
Barrichello allows Schumacher through in the 2002 Austrian GP to take the win. Later in the year Schumacher "wants to make a kewl photo finish and screws up" allowing Barrichello through to take the US GP win.
Any more questions?
I'm pretty sure he said "rule breaking" in his post.
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