and btw, f1 is not global.. Where are the Chinese, Indians, Africans, Middle Easters, American (excluding Brazil) drivers?

That's more than 80 % of the global population right there..

For me the only thing that has put me off them is all this talking it up, the "all f1 technology comes from the states anyway" etc which we all know... it doesnt.

I really do want them to make it though. Its going to be very different. I guess its a forgone thing that the livery is going to be the stars and stripes isnt it?

And people still don't see that there is an anti US sentiment in some of the posts???

The above is a classic example of someone who doesn't think he is anti-US but then he makes comments that are clearly anti-US, but that the poster believes is fact (the subsequent posts clearly shows that he is wrong in his observations). This is a common problem with these kinds of issues, people who makes statements like these don't see them as anti (whatever the subject is) because they believe they are stating facts (or they believe it is facts).

I'm sure some of the posters are genuinely worried about USF1 based on factual facts, not just because of a dislike of Peter Windsor or being based in the US and not doing it according to the "established order". But, some of the arguments against the team are getting more and more desperate each day. I'm sure some of the posters on this topic will actually be annoyed if USF1 makes it to the grid (and through the season as this now seems to be the newest argument against the team). Quite sad.

speak for yourself.
some technology does comes from the US..The latest example is Ferrari's new Simulator..

some yes, all no

its just the ott bull that gets on my wick

having said that I really really do hope they make it because its going to be very interesting.

Just curious, have they actually said that "all F1 tech comes from the states"???

to be fair I think the word used was most

ill try and find the quote, he has said it quite allot, I am suprised you have not seen it

I'll go on record to say that I dislike Peter W. he's journalism in my opinion is pathetic however he is not alone in this and he's is just the spokesperson and the one with all the detail knowledge inside the f1 paddock after so many years of experience - just for that alone, I think he could be valuable to a new team who has no clue about F1 (specially USf1).

Ken Anderson is the guy that represents this team from an engineering perspective.. He is the guy who is putting this car together with all of his connections in NC, not Peter..

When you listen to Ken, you get a totally different perspective .

I think they will stumble their way onto the grid in Bahrain, but honestly I think they'll be miles off the pace. I do hope it works out for them though, seeing a car designed and built in Charlotte racing next year is a very exciting prospect. if they don't make it I will be very disappointed, especially for lola who had everything in place to go racing in 2010. As others have suggested the entry procedure will need a big make over if this comes to pass.

Golf!

I have to agree

then he went and said this

"CEO Ken Anderson says 90% of F1 trickles down from the U.S. aerospace industry"

its these kind of things that tickle me. They are of course talking about carbon fibre. but does that mean the country resposible for stainless steel is there for the inventor and owner of anything made out of it since. I think not.

Forgetting that old debate which is getting old now lets face it, some are for them, some are not, some dont mind and no amount of forum shouting is going to change anyones mind.


some interesting things I picked up on them online:

- US F1's lead aerodynamicist (Eric Warren) and machine shop manager (Brian Williams) are from Michael Waltrip Racing

- The team will double to 100 employees next year (including an R&D manager hired from 2009 F1 champion Brawn GP (thats a small team, I really hope they can do it because if they do and are not stupidly off the pace it shows that the big boys are just blowing cash)

This is what is said on their website:



Is that statement wrong in your opinion?

Which I guess asks the question, if they have enough money to start (which I assume they do), will they have enough to finish the season? To me that is the issue for USF1. They may take the gamble on starting with a partial budget hoping that being on the track, and maybe getting some decent results will secure the remaining finances.

Bit more news from Mladen. Courtesy of f1-hr.com:



Translation:

"Our first two chassis are now complete, as are the majority of other components including springs, wings and the most important, gearboxes," Jergović told us. "Now we wait, just as the other 4 teams, for Cosworth to deliver the motors. Then all will be complete. The biggest activities now runs arround finalising contracts with different sponsors."

Its not, but that is not the statement I objected to

as I have said once, lets leave this side of the debate for now.

I am not anti-usf1 at all so I am kind of arguing for no reason here, I really want them to make it on their buget and size.

It's ok to leave it for now but you cannot do that everytime someone questions your statements...

Anyway, more interesting news in the article on f1-hr.com:

Two things..
1. The goal of F1 is cut down costs drastically so 100 employees in 2010 is not the same thing as having 100 employees in 2007/08.
2. They are not looking to match the richest teams in F1 therefore they should be compared with the small teams.. STR, Campos, Manor, etc..

I provided an example. We should just agree to disagree

Stupid statement. Being global doesnt mean having a driver from every country.

I cant help but feel that my point was taken as an attack again when it wasnt.

read it as "I hope they do well with that limited resource"

and it is limited but yes the same goes for any of the other new teams.

then what is?

is not that is just that you must have your expectations straight otherwise the criticism is unfounded.

Potmotr sorry but you could look at many other teams and level exactly the same at them hows about Renault with their French made engines?
yes they are closer but the fact still remains the spare engines need to be shipped from France to England not just a few miles down the road.
I understand you are going to come back with well its only a few hours but in this day and age most parts of the world are only a few hours away the hard bit is not the 10,000KM or 500KM but the first and last few KM. And lets be honest McLaren this year along with other teams had to ship parts straight to tracks too. its nothing new or strange to F1.

I can take or leave USA ,been there a few times on business,find them good, but I must say that IMO F1 can only be better with American involvement. (well I cant think of any detriment put it that way )
Hope they make it and do well,the more competition the better.
Good luck to all the new teams.

Racecar Engineering have visited the USF1 factory in December and writes:

I dont think anyone who follows F1 with even a partially open mind does not think that most of the teams waste huge amounts of money each year simply because they can. The fact that teams like Williams can race for well under 1/4 of what the likes of Toyota and Honda used to spend says it all.
And yes if USF1 can come in and prove yet again there is no need to spend 400M a year when 40M will do then the pressure will surely be on the FIA to force the waste in F1 to be cut.

For some always needed comedy..

It means holding the events in countries all over the world, and no it doesnt have to be every single country. F1 is a global sport.

Guys, don't let the discussion of what is, or is not global, drag the thread off topic. Thanks.

I'm reserving making any comments on the status of USF1 until the tub passes crash tests

Overheard in Charlotte "Tub, what tub?"

Perhaps we should recommend this site to Peter, Ken and Chad http://www.writingclasses.co.uk/ they're certainly going to need to be creative in March if not before.

You condemning yourself for the eternity of silence.

Maybe you should have read a few posts above before making daft comments

Is that a racing tub though? When viewing the YouTube video where that picture came from, there is no cockpit entry. Surely they don't cut it out, and the opening is molded in from production? Is that perahps a full scale wind tunnel model?


The actual quote is "90 per cent of the technology that exists in F1 comes from the US anyway".

You can take that two ways; either he is saying 90% was created in the U.S., or 90% is available in the U.S..

If everything is ready bar the Cosworth engines. Does that mean they will be at the pre season tests??


Does anyone know Cosworths delivery date

For those that thought USF1 didn't have a chance of showing up on the grid, where do you guys think they will place on the first race? No show, last? I suspect they will do better than last, which will really put to shame the team that does come in last.

That's a question you would think would interest many news sites seeing as it effects 5 teams.

But really, how difficult would it be for Cosworth to have ten engines ready by then?

Tuesday morning team meeting.

Well does anyone have their Cossie yet? if not I'd say it must be.

Why?

The teams have been provided with mock up engines for assembly. Obviously the teams that are going testing in february will need their engines in advance of that to do the fire ups at the factory etc. The sooner the better to some degree, but until the cars are ready for shakedowns etc, the ready engines will not make a big difference.

Oh I know that.

It's just because Varsha has said that Cosworth was the "hold up" at USF1. If they are the "hold up" there, then they are 5-teams "hold up".

If thta is true, it seems that it should be a story worth chasing for Autosport, James Allen, etc.

Thanks for that.

Looks like everything is progressing just as planned.

What you said.

All the naysayers, meh!

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but if you go to about 1:07 in their USF1's intro video on their homepage you can see a picture of a car on the wall which looks like the design of the USF1 car as the nose cone is an exact match of the one we've seen pictures of.

Or could it be the reading out of the redundancy notices Nice clean room though, shame it's completely empty.

Who said that's where they do anything of importance? For all we know, it's the tea room.

IMHO he is just using the engine as an excuse. None of the other teams AFAIK have cited Cosworth as a delay issue, and as has already been stated they have the mock up engine to build around.

An excuse for what though?

They have two chassis ready with the exception of Cossie powerplants (according to some reports - no Euro reporters are going to Charlotte to chase these stories btw, it's way too far and easier just to make shit up).