thats the first decent picture ive seen of the place, shows personel, a good looking shop for a startup team. you can see the work benches for the cars is what they are sat on. similar to mclaren, redbulls and renaults work area. obviously just not as polished because well you cant touch the mclaren centre... its my favourite building in the world ha

i still dont believe they'll make it through the season without dropping out either due to terrible pace or lak of funds but i atleast that shows something.

Too bad we don't see any sign of tea in this room either.

Don't take my quotes out of context. Ever. Especially if you're using it to support an argument that I am opposed to. It is very rude.

I never said it was the tea room; I said "for all we know, it's the team room".

And besides, we drink coffee here.

US F1 is making Wonder Woman's Invisible Car, to match her Invisible Plane.

The motorsport writer assures USF1 will be there, but no evidence.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=354213

I hope this story will not go down like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forti#Forti_FG01_car

Did you not see the video on their YouTube channel, the one showing the nosecone of their car?

And you haven't seen the pictures of their tub either then I guess????

Windsor is a self-important idiot and Atlas F1 poster Engel is missing

I hope for 26 cars at the Bahrain GP, but I've got a sense of humor and the Serbian dude with the Toyotas would do the job for me

Have you seen pictures of anyone's tubs? Aside from a half-second shot in a vdeo on their website, Virgin are the only ones who have given as anything. While Lotus might have scale models, USF1 are the first team to have produced anything full-scale and shown pictures of it.

The most active thread of any F1 team here. It must mean something.
What could it be?

USF1 can do it. To present two cars on the Bahrain grid. I never questioned that they want to do it. The problem may be with that, they are behind their own schedule, so delaying royally. That couldn't be a good start to survive the first year. The real question for me, 'will the new teams survive their first year and be on the grid in 2011'?

If Stefan GP will be able to present a 2010 specs F1 car late January or February, before some of the new teams, that will show they are not kidding about to be in F1 in 2010 or 2011. If without an entry they'll be tenacious to their plan, they will be in serious contention for replacing a collapsing team for 2011. I'm not sure about they could do it in 2010 mid-season (it might need unanimous agreement from all the teams), but there's a chance for that too. Small teams are always weak because of poor performance and/or poor and uncertain financial backing. Teams will come and go, as they did in the past, even in mid-season. Signing Concordes means nothing.

That kinda was my point....

Yes. McLaren (November 10), Campos (November, seat fitting), Virgin Racing (December 15, seat fitting, video showing earlier footage), Sauber (December 22, seat fitting).

They may be the first to have shown pictures, but that doesn't make them first to have produced anything.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/154915/1/camp...tion_tests.html

No no Youtubing...

But have you seen the Area51 ones ?
And the Xupa Kabra

Chip Foose could gather more people together in his Overhauling TV Show.

Making a nose cone and a surviving cell doesn't mean they will run the show worldwide.
I believe they haven't signed any full year contract yet.
USF1 paid the incription and got a $10M credit from FIA.
What about the rest of the money ?

Their CashFlow must be a nightmare by now.
Even Abu Dhabi faces problems to get credit.

As of now, the USF1 project can be shut down in this phase and the structure dedicated to ther race specs, bcs there is not a big liability.
Show me the money !!!

Don't get me wrong.
I would like to see the current state of US Aerospace Technology, but the USF1 as a business haven't convinced me as there are no signs [finance] of a serious start up company.

I've collected the pictures in a blog post.

I know appearence isn't everything, but they could at least buy some team shirts, and get them to shave.

They look like a bunch of random guys who have just walked in off the street.

So you mean that unless everyone is clean shaven and dresses in a uniform, they are just a bunch of loosers? Where I live it's more important what employees in the engineering and manufacturing business can do than what they look like...

As a bynote USF1 likes to use the term "Skunk works" on their operation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project



On a different note:

Just as a comparison, here are a few pics of Red Bull's similar area in their factory:

and this is Toro Rosso't quality dpt from the outside..

are you Ron Dennis?

Seriously?

This is a brand new team, starting from scratch, with a small budget. What did you guys expect?

This team isn't being funded by the US Government, or a bunch of large American companies. It's run by Brit Peter Windsor and a few Americans, hardly what I would call a big national effort.

The American public has little to no interest in F1, the fact that this team has a building, making some parts, and doing this in NC USA is actually quite amazing.

If they make it on the grid in the next few months, that will already be a great achievement. Comparing them to Redbull for example, which was a rebranded team isn't fair. These guys are starting from scratch with NOTHING, not a pre-existing team they can take over.

Even Campos is a pre-existing racing team with equipment and personel.

Funny you should say that,my first thought was of Overhaulin' or Orange County Choppers.


Good to see they're on track,though. Only a month or so to go,running out of time!

Please read my post again (added som more text). The comparison with Red Bull was meant to show how well USF1's facilities stack up against a established team like Red Bull. Some of the comments against USF1 made now are verging on being desperately trying to find faults with the team. As more and more evidence of progress is coming through, people are now even starting to make comments on their clothes and facial hair...

So, apart from no team uniform, what makes the photo resemble Overhaulin or American Chopper? What is different from the Red Bull photo of the same area in their factory?

And besides, if you have a company manufacturing and assembling a low volume vehicle, there are by nature a few similarities. Or do you expect every F1 factory to look like McLaren's???

If you look closely at the Redbull Photos, You'll notice that there is a car in the pictures. A car being built for a proven (non paying) driver.

Sorry DFV, my post wasn't directed towards you, it's just coincidence you mentioned Redbull or shown pictures of the facilities.

In fact, on my cell phone I wasn't even able to see your pics when I posted replying to the general tone of some of the people here rather childish comments about USF1.

As I alluded to in earlier post about this thread, it seems that many people here are obviously biased against the USF1 effort regardless.

It's takes time for a new team starting from Zero to have a car ready to go. Is that car in the Redbull photo a brand new 2010 spec car or a test mule using the 2009 as a basis?

Also, the non-paying driver quip you made makes USF1 different from any other small F1 team how? Pay drivers on F1 have been around a long time, and exist in highly established teams to this day.

The name on the car is "D. Coulthard", and the rear wing and fin screams "2008 car".

Yes it's old photos. They are meant as a comparison of the factories.

That's David Coulthard's Car, so at least two Years ago now.
I'm more than happy to admit my comment was in jest, but I'm also happy to defend it:
The pay driver is important because Ken and peter have had to climb down from two American drivers to a young American and an experienced driver, to two non-Americans, but defiantly no pay drivers, to Jose Maria Lopez. Who I think is a perfectly reasonable choice by the way, just he's neither experienced nor American. Nor does he have a Super licence by right.

USF1 Have, in the past, said they began planning and designing in 2008 and promised a rolling chassis in November. Was that a lie, or an obvious demonstration of how far behind they are?

Just to reinforce I'm not mocking USA technology at all, when John Barnard decided to build the first composite chassis in F1 for McLaren, JB went after Hercules, an aerospace Californian [?] company.
The F1 electronic connectors are the same kind used on Jet Fighters.
Several F1 teams uses amercian wind tunnels.

I'm just saying that the facilities can be used for any racing spec.
Once USF1 signs one year supply deals, it will contract debts and liabilities that can ruim the financial life of their owners [minus the YouTube guy].
Alain Prost and Tom Walkinshaw can tell you.

Even Manor Virgin admits they will be 2-3 sec off the pace in the first year.
So the finance should comprise at least two full years.

Who are the sponsors and were is the car ?
Are they hiding the sponsors so nobody seduces them to rival teams ?
Is the car too advanced and they are afraid its technical solutions will be copied ?

25/01 is the official launch date from what i see on the argentinian websites.

Nothing much,really-that was meant as a joke. As far as factories go,I've only been to established centres where there's evidence of activity (both personnel and equipment) all around-considering those pics were taken before work began at the USF1 factory floor,it's unfair to compare them with those from Red Bull or STR. Yes,I see walls,workbenches,adequate ventilation and people discussing the weather for all I know,but I don't think you can arrive at conclusions based on those pics,surely. Again,as has been mentioned before,we have no pics of any of the new cars for 2010-USF1 isn't alone in this regard.

For what it's worth,I've voted 'Yes' on the poll-the last thing I want to see is a new entrant fail. Good luck to them!

According to their Facebook page, the photo is of tuesday's team meeting They don't say which Tuesday but the implication is clear.

Thanks for the link,been going through the photos. It's more up to date than the YouTubechannel,so I'd better keep track of this one.


Tuesday,eh? Interesting..

December 27th update from USF1 on Facebook:



So for 50% of the posters this means that they are waiting for an announcement that USF1 will not make it....

this thread has turned it more of hate toward usf1 then anything else

best if it was closed for few weeks until usf1 reveal their drivers.

it does amaze me how people think questioning why when a team said they were going to do x,y,z by date 1,2,3 and fail to do any of them and rightfully people question why some people have to think it is hating?
Most of the so called haters have said they want to see them on the grid ( yes a few small minded people have said they only want that to see them fail) but most are still F1 fans first and foremost and IMHO are quite right to ask why after all they were the team to say these things unlike the others.
If IMHO they had not come out saying we are going to do these things by these dates most would not be asking why have they not done them.
Do you really think that is hating?
I hope not.

Why close the thread because some want to spew their venom on a team that hasn't even started their season? These same people obviously have no idea of the magnitude of a start-up project like this.

Let them get their car on to the track (no mean feat since they are starting from scratch unlike everyone else), then we can all judge their work. Until then it's nothing but a bunch of ill-informed guessing or just out 'n out whinning. March 12 will come.


This post shows that you have no experience with starting a business. Rarely does it go exactly according to your plans as there's just too many variables that can and always do change your best laid plans.

Is this not exactly what people are saying? That it is not going to plan?

It is obvious that more than one person on this thread has a wish to see them fail. But I think a lot of people are simply pointing out that the teams progress appears to be behind schedule.

When a team has a dead line to be ready by mid march they can not afford to fall too far behind. In F1, being just a week behind could be the end of the world if your plan has the start of March already filled up with other work. If they have given themselves a cushion (i.e if they have planned for everything to be done by March 1st), they may be ok, as they have spare time to catch up if they are behind. If they have no planned cushion (or too small of a cushion), then being behind now may be impossible to rectify.

I don't see this as hate, but genuine concern that the team is maybe behind schedule and will perhaps be unable to catch up in time for race one.

Since USF1 are buying the engine, gearbox, brakes, exhaust, mclaren ecu etc there really should be NO doubt they will complete a car. The other stuff is plainly not that much physical stuff!

Yes, USF1's other stuff won't be anything like as refined as Ferrari, but there is no reason they won't complete it all. All readily design and manufacturable given their equipment and skilled casually-dressed (they are experienced engineers in America after all with vast experience and credibility, only some junior nobodies would be wearing white shirt, tie etc) personnel.

For a "PR excercise" (as some call USF1) they are doing an awful amount of real work and spending money on non-PR related stuff (it seems like they are spending money on building a race team rather than doing a "PR excercise" if you ask me...) :

The construction of USF1's European base at Motorland Aragon (I don't know whether it's USF1 owning or just leasing the building):

Motorland Aragon is not their project.

No, but the pictures are of the European base being built.

They say it's "An "inside look" from MotorLand Aragon, US F1 Team's European base of operations. Some renderings, some pics from events there and our building under construction in the fall. We can't wait to get over there!".

No one said that Motorland Aragon is USF1's project. The pictures are of USF1's buildings at Motorland Aragon.

First off, please don't put words in my mouth thank you.
I never said they were behind schedule or even allude to it. What I said was that startups rarely ever go to their planned schedule. Big difference.

Your post in filled with the same words to help push your agenda that USF1 is not going to make it - IF, maybe, perhaps; it's littered throughout your post and everyone elses that is pushing the same agenda. How about some facts? since we don't have those how about just making something up

My questions for all the nay-sayers are:

You say they are behind schedule, so obviously you have seen their schedule otherwise you wouldn't make silly comments like that so have you seen their schedule?

Why does it appear to be behind schedule?

When you built your team from scratch, what was your schedule?

Finally, did you meet every goal along the way?

That's a building what US F1 will use (till it pays the bills), not own. Not US F1 is building it, and not US F1 will be the owner of it.

it will be their European base..What are you talking about?...and of course they don't own it.. They don't need to..

Condiciones del acuerdo

El acuerdo para la instalación de US F1 Team en el complejo de Alcañiz implica la creación directa de varios puestos de trabajo, que según el momento de la temporada, variarán desde los cinco hasta los 50. Uno de los puntos del acuerdo establece que se promoverá la contratación de trabajadores formados en la Comunidad Autónoma. La ubicación de la base europea de este equipo en MotorLand generará también beneficios indirectos en la economía de la zona, sobre todo en el sector turístico y de servicios.

En esta base desarrollarán el vehículo y durante la temporada, se usará como base logística para todo el equipo para coordinar sus desplazamientos a los diferentes grandes premios. En el acuerdo se recogen los términos de utilización para el uso de los distintos circuitos de MotorLand por parte de la escudería.

Asimismo, según las condiciones acordadas entre el equipo y el Gobierno de Aragón, US F1 Team se apoyará en la industria aragonesa para fortalecer su estructura y desarrollará parte de su I+D en Aragón, aprovechando las capacidades propias de la Comunidad Autónoma. Además, el acuerdo contempla el impuso de iniciativas educativas conjuntas entre la Universidad de Clemson (Charlotte), la Universidad de Zaragoza y la propia escudería para la posible creación de estudios de posgrado en competición automovilística, así como múltiples acciones paralelas por parte del equipo (actividades promocionales, educativas, visitas a la sede, etc). De este modo se pretende garantizar la implicación de la escudería con la industria, los servicios y las instituciones educativas de Aragón.

La llegada de US F1 Team a MotorLand sitúa al complejo alcañizano y a la Comunidad Autónoma en la primera línea del automovilismo de elite mundial. Este acuerdo supone un refuerzo vital para este proyecto, cuyo estreno internacional se vivió a finales de octubre con la celebración de las World Series by Renault con gran éxito.

http://www.motorlandaragon.com/catalogo.as...p;idParrafo=470