I never mentioned EXTRA days, just testing locations in general.

If the teams all agreed to give them an extra two days testing, then who are we to complain?

Exactly right. If the other teams are fine with it, WTF is the issue?

new video is up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UppLHyLL4yQ

@ 2:50: That's a weird front wing on the mock-up. Looks like 2 wings on top of each other.

It's different.

The more is see from USF1 - like the vid you posted - the more I believe they will be on the grid in Bahrain or in Barcelona at latest. Imo the people involved - Windsor etc - just can't afford not be be there in 2010... in case they wont make it, their reputation would not just be damaged but destroyed forever.

Yep, and so far there is no black/yellow car Something like this looks good: http://www.petepigott.com/lotus_f1_2010.html

But I expect USF1 to run in red/blue/white.

uh........I work there. There is no real tub built, the one pictured is a dummy carbon shell over a mold and CIC said both the nose a side impact/intrusion panels the team submitted would have failed the FIA test if they had been there and it was attached to a real tub.

A very, very long way to go and certainly no testing in Feb--none of us can understand why Ken and Peter are putting that out to the press...maybe to ensure that the driver's money comes in?

Notice how none of the engineers besides Ken's son were on the video...personal reputation is on the line. Ken's son is as smart as he appears on the video--he's completely ineffectual and can't give or take direction or respond to any type of challenge from the rest of the group...its close to hopeless with he and Ken in charge of design.

If you're not BSing please keep the info flowing, and for your job security I hope your name is not really Ken from their composites team!

Renault's stake in Nissan is about 45%. Nissan is still operated as a separate entity. Nissan also holds a 15% stake in Renault but unlike the Renault stake Nissan, Nissan's stake in Renault is non voting.

Ouch.

I guess at this point its a bit of a 'damn if you do, damn if you don't' as far as dishing out these videos, but that last one was really so depressingly pitiful... I guess I'm biased though so it doesn't help, lol..

I think we will know soon..if inside informant is accurate..or employed..

Successful nose crash test for US F1
11 January 2010

The latest compulsory FIA crash test has run according to plan for the US F1 team, which saw its nose cone completely destroyed in order to ensure it meets the required standards to go racing.

With all Formula 1 car components rigorously put through their paces before getting anywhere near a race track, US F1 travelled to Cranfield in Bedfordshire where its car's nose broke up as it should to confirm another successful test for the Charlotte-based team.

The outfit founded by Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor remains the only team yet to sign at least one driver ahead of the upcoming season.


The successful US F1 nose crash test can be viewed below:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-news/2...test-for-us-f1/

Quite a lot of people seem to be involved with this USF1 "sham"...

Keke weighs in on USF1 chances of appearing on the grid - as he wagers that Campos and USF1 will not make it:

"USF1 at least have a financier [as opposed to Campos]. But what they've done with the money is a different thing, and it remains quite unclear. There's three weeks to testing and eight weeks until the freight goes to Bahrain, and they have no drivers and they have no anything - well they've built their operations on pretty shaky grounds"

I was taking the piss with my last post about USF1. The nose test video showed that they were making progress.


But this last video.... Geez

What the hell is going on at their factory. The so called "lead designer" works in a dimly lit sparsley poulated office, with the only lighting source a plug in light from a wall powerpoint.

This Anderson guy, Kens son according to "CompositeKen" can hardly string a sentence together. Lead Designer??? What the hell is going on. He sounds and looks like hes just woken up from his last bong hit.

The last video did nothing to convince me about anything, really. Varsha saying that he was at the facility when it wasn't nothing more than a shell sounded pretty ludicrous considering the place still looks like nothing but a shell. Then Varsha carefully packaging the questions as to convey exactly the right message to the viewers didn't make it either. The guys at the shop looked like deers in the headlight. "Lots of hard work", "it's coming along"... Sounded like bullshit without substance.

I'm saying nothing about wether USF1 will make it to the grid or not, but they sure don't know how to convince through media.

exactly, for a designer of a formula 1 car he sounded pretty clueless and non enthusiastic towards the prospect of designing a car at the pinnacle of open wheel motorsport... he didnt have a thing to say about the car. he just looked completely clueless. that was a ridiculous video

oh and then theres lovely driver parade they've been doing... with lopez the only guy rumoured to be in talks... who is pretty much a nobody. Embaressing media PR from windsor.

not a cat in hells chance of them doing anything remotely good. they might get there but i predict them to be embaressingly bad in terms of pace.

P.S (the USF1 Mic Cube... )

I really hope you are kidding about working at Cranfield, as it is very unusual for a employee to give out confidential client/customer information like that. Not to mention badmouthing the clients employees in that way. That is totally unprofessional and something I would not expect Cranfield (or USF1) to applaud...

As far as we know, you can just be someone that wants to badmouth the team and have no connection to Cranfield at all (after all you only have a 10 post history on this forum so it's kinda hard to believe that you are an employee of Cranfield just based on your own statement - Anybody can create a profile and claim to be whoever they want to). Can you post something that makes your story/claim thrustworthy?

And they also interviewed an ex Cosworth engineer, so your claim that noone else was interviewed is clearly wrong. And this was part 1 of several videos.

You are right. This Jason Anderson guy even gives a look to Windsor as the guy is interviewing him as if to say, "What the hell are you aking me for"????

Peter: "Didnt you hear, You have just been promoted to Lead Designer"

IMHO if they are being given additional testing I think we are entitled to question why the rules are being changed for one particular team.

Have you read the previous posts on this topic?

To recap: The rules (official FIA rules) stipulate 6 days of straight line testing. The TEAMS (as in FOTA) have then discussed and agreed to reduce that to 4 days. The FIA has not amended the rules yet so it's officially still 6 days. USF1 then applies to the other teams and asks for permission to use the original 6 days for 2010 (for whatever reason - but clearly it's a good sign that they want to do as much testing as possible?). The other teams have agreed that USF1 can do 6 days of straight line testing.

As I said prevously, I see this as a win win situation. The teams have all agreed (I guess all since it requires unanimity to change the FIA regs) to reduce it to 4 to save costs but still have the opening to allow the new teams the extra two days so that they are better prepared before the season. After all it's their first season.

So, the rules are not being changed for one team. And why see this as a problem when the other teams clearly don't? After all the Autosport article clearly states that it's the other teams that have allowed USF1 the extra days.

That's the intriguing thing, The teams clearly don't think that giving USF1 50% more testing time would give them an unfair advantage. I think a lot of us would like to know why?

Does FOTA think the team won't have a chance to use the time?
Was there a problem at Corvid?
Was it a political decision?

Rarely is whistleblowing done with the intention of pleasing the holders of the leaked information.

My doubt is ... that USF1 told they will be late as they have not enough testingtimes, their car is coming out late... for which they promptly get answer from both FIA and FOTA that No Prob, you get 6 days,...


Hope not that it went this way.

Yes, I agree that it would be nice to know more about the reasoning why. But my point of view on this is that the other teams see that a new team might make good use of all the testing they can do and if they are in a position to make use of those extra days we will provide them with that. Maybe I'm just naive to think that the other teams are so generous, but thats the way it seems isn't it?



Why would USF1 apply for an extra two days and have all the publicity about it if you don't have a car to test???? Where's the logic in that?



What kind of problem at Corvid makes the team want two more test days? I would say it was the other way around. USF1 sees that they are in a position to do two more test days than what they had planned to or had time to do originally. So rather as take it as something negative, I would take it as a positive sign about their progress. (Which is just as much just my interpretation of it as yours interpretation differs from mine - So I'm in the same boat as you there).



We don't know (yet). But it's an interesting question.

Would you say that this is Whistleblowing? I would not, and I doubt the courts would see it that way as well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower

I couldn't think of an appropriate word. Although it is whistleblowing to an extent, if you consider that USF1 are saying that they passed the crash tests when they didn't.

Your logic being that USF1 realizes they are running late and promptly requests three test sessions in the US (first test in early february) and then asks the other teams if they can have two extra days of straight line testing?

Maybe you are right and maybe USF1 won't use any of the three US sessions or just one or two of them. And maybe USF1 won't spend a full 6 days of straight line testing but just want to have them available. But if the team uses all the test days available to them (three sessions in the US, one in Spain and the 6 straight line test days), on their own request, they will actually spend two more days testing than any other team. How can that be seen as a sign of being late?

I see your point. But just to remind all of us, USF1 only said that it "performed well", not that it passed. I think you actually have to pass the full crash tests before the car "passes" the FIA crash test. I don't think there is a specific crash test requirement for the nose cone itself but thats the part of the car that absorbs the energy and to meet the requirements for the car the nose cone needs to absorb energy in the best possible way.

And anyway, his comments about Ken Andersons son (is that correct btw?) would hardly be classified as anything close to appropriate or whistleblowing. That's just his personal opinion.

All perfectly reasonable answers, Logicaly I can't find fault with them but..

If the team is struggling, they may be attempting to create the illusion of progress by politicking. The idea is that it doesn't matter what you ask for, as long as you are making waves. Or...

Perhaps there is an unexpected doubt in Corvid's results, the team needs more time to verify?

However, it has just struck me (Cos I'm a little slow this morning) that USF1 has a unique aero program. Namely to design and do most of the development with CFD, and then verify full scale at Windshear. All the other teams are either making use of unlimited 60% testing, or fully confident in CFD and trumpeting zero wind tunnel use. They would have been able to argue that Windshear was central to their plans, and over the course of the year their use of it has been cut from unlimited, to 8 days, then 6, and now 4. That may have been enough to get them the exemption this year.

What have I told you before, DFV, about referring to world of reality, facts and commonsense, rather than myth, opinion, lies and fantasy.
Stop it and start posting things that you've just made up in order to get your point across...

Yes I should probably stop with that. It's a really bad trait, I know...

Ok, Cosworth engines are ready and are being shipped.

No more excuses on the engine front for USF1. Its time to put up or shut up.

Its all down to the team next year. I hope the get to Bahrain

How is it an excuse when they say "We can't do much more without an engine" if today's news about the Cosworth shipment only proves them right?

I agree. However now we can rule out the engines being a factor if the team does fail.

They have said that basically they have completed the car and have got most parts if not all ready to assemble. They were waiting on the engine, and now they have it in the next day or two.

So in theory they should be able to fire up the car for the first time in the next week or so.

if what they are saying about the tub,nose have passed all necessary crash tests, then the only thing stopping them from getting to the grid is money.

Because they have had a dummy block since at least 22Dec. and almost undoubtedly long before. But according to Peter Windsor's blog dated 1stJan they still hadn't fitted the suspension to their tub.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80810

Cosworth engines are ready for shipping.

Hopefully this will help all the new teams, including USF1.

There are ten engines in that picture, so I would assume each team will get 2 to start with and then recieve more later.

unless they are ready to do actual running I don't see how this will help them

I don't know why they bothered with unscripted interviews with F1 engineers!

They are known for their ability to churn out designs from continual 14 hr work days... not for their media and/or communication skills!

I must say the USF1 team office is pretty crappy looking indeed! Obviously no interior designer has been anywhere near the place, so no cash wasted, very savvy.

Obsessive F1 engineers turning out parts and the cash going to their salaries is the important part of the operation I guess?



Anyhow why would they crash a "pretend" nose.... The sandwiched layer is simply another type of readibly purchased premade material isn't it? So of course they would put it in surely.

It depends on where they are at really.

A team could build a complete car based on the mockup engine that Cosworth supplied, but would not be able to run it until the real engine arrived. The reports made it sound like USF1 were using the lack of engine as an excuse for being behind schedule.

"Bob Varsha walks around"

Classic.

Obviously if the other teams agreed, it is rather different from the FIA imposing this change on them. I still feel it's the wrong decision.

Why?

Because all teams ought to compete under the same restrictions. Not a big deal, I just don't like anyone allowing waivers except in very exceptional circumstances.

The other teams are totally insane

There are 2 WCC's this year, one for the big boys and one for the new teams effectively so there is a lot of ego boost and bragging rights in being the top new team so for the other 3 to give USF1 an early big advantage is madness

What this effecitvely means is that we have a two tier championship, something that FOTA didn't want.

OK

There are 4 new teams so you can make an argument that they could be allowed some extra tests to catch up. But I get your point.

And as you said, it's the other teams that have all agreed to let them have those two days so if they don't care, why should we?

Every one of those 4 want to be the top new team

Why did Fernandes and Branson have that bat that one will be a tranny on a plane for the day for instance ?

There is huge bragging rights in being top newbie

I agree on the above points, it was more your statement that the other teams are insane and allowing USF1 the 6 test days was madness that was a bit amusing... I'm sure that the other 12 teams are better placed to make a judgement on whether USF1 (or any of the other teams) should be allowed similar benefits. I'm quite sure Ferrari or McLaren wouldn't get the same answer... Maybe Campos, Virgin and Lotus know more than we do and are not worried about USF1 having two days extra of straight line testing...

USF1 have refreshed their website:

http://www.usgpe.com/