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Well, no history and no sponsors, that we know of.
JM López has many sponsors to bring in...
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JM López has many sponsors to bring in...
QUOTE (Mekola @ Jan 13 2010, 14:38)
JM López has many sponsors to bring in...
True, but he hasn't actually signed yet. And none of those sponsors have either.
QUOTE (DFV @ Jan 13 2010, 14:35)
The level of criticism towards the team is just without comparison to any of the other new teams, even though Campos are struggling and Virgin have had a management reshuffle and neither team have shown as much of their factory or car as USF1, the level of criticism is not even comparable.
When people uses the team engineers appearance on the YouTube videos, the way they talk and the words they choose as their arguments to claim that USF1 is a disgrace and won't make it to the grid instead of basing their arguments on factual information, there really is no point in arguing anymore.
If one reads through this thread it's quite clear that a good few of the most active posters finds faults with everything that comes out of USF1. When they don't have a website thats wrong, when they have a website that's also wrong, when they show employees they don't look right and are probably just people off the street, when they interview people they aren't articulate enough or doesn't look smart enough, when the team is granted more testing days thats wrong (even though it was the other teams that gave them this and could be taken as a positive sign about the teams intent), take the false rumours about the teams request to skip the first 4 races as fact and condemns the team (strange how some believe stuff like that without any doubt, but find it hard to believe what the team says. And let's face it there have been many rumours that have been proven untrue or haven't been proven so there is no more reason to believe the rumours than there is to not believe the team...).
It seems like some of you actually really believe that what you say are objectively true and based on facts. No one of us knows if the team will show up testing or in Bahrain with two cars until they are there. That's why it's so strange to read the posts here where people seem to be 100% certain about the teams failure, even in advance of the tests or the season.
I'm looking forward to read the arguments when and if the team shows up at tests and in Bahrain. I'm pretty sure that there will be a lot of issues about the team and their car that is wrong and deserves all the wellfounded comments from the best of the Autosport bulletin board crew....
When people uses the team engineers appearance on the YouTube videos, the way they talk and the words they choose as their arguments to claim that USF1 is a disgrace and won't make it to the grid instead of basing their arguments on factual information, there really is no point in arguing anymore.
If one reads through this thread it's quite clear that a good few of the most active posters finds faults with everything that comes out of USF1. When they don't have a website thats wrong, when they have a website that's also wrong, when they show employees they don't look right and are probably just people off the street, when they interview people they aren't articulate enough or doesn't look smart enough, when the team is granted more testing days thats wrong (even though it was the other teams that gave them this and could be taken as a positive sign about the teams intent), take the false rumours about the teams request to skip the first 4 races as fact and condemns the team (strange how some believe stuff like that without any doubt, but find it hard to believe what the team says. And let's face it there have been many rumours that have been proven untrue or haven't been proven so there is no more reason to believe the rumours than there is to not believe the team...).
It seems like some of you actually really believe that what you say are objectively true and based on facts. No one of us knows if the team will show up testing or in Bahrain with two cars until they are there. That's why it's so strange to read the posts here where people seem to be 100% certain about the teams failure, even in advance of the tests or the season.
I'm looking forward to read the arguments when and if the team shows up at tests and in Bahrain. I'm pretty sure that there will be a lot of issues about the team and their car that is wrong and deserves all the wellfounded comments from the best of the Autosport bulletin board crew....
Well said DFV.
QUOTE (DFV @ Jan 13 2010, 14:35)
The level of criticism towards the team is just without comparison to any of the other new teams, even though Campos are struggling and Virgin have had a management reshuffle and neither team have shown as much of their factory or car as USF1, the level of criticism is not even comparable.
Completely agree. I think there's a to-be-expected level of scepticism regarding all of the new teams especially considering how little time they have really had to prepare for this upcoming season. In my view I would be unsurprised if two of the three didn't make it to the first tests. But I have yet to find an American outfit which didn't have a 'can-do' attitude and an iron will to create success, so I believe they'll make it work.
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Jan 13 2010, 09:11)
Uh, I am a software engineer. Admitedly it's not the same field and I still have little work experience, but people in command who know what they're doing, don't talk like that.
Well I grew up around weapons design engineers; my Father and his compatriots....with government money no less. The idea of giving engineers unlimited funds
.....oh well back to your post.More of these engineers were PhD's than just college graduates, however they could barely put a complete sentence together. They were one step above Rainman. I doubt half of them knew if they had eaten anything for a day, but in their field of study they were outstanding. Most of their 'products' are still in use. I myself used them while serving.
The point is there are plenty of engineers who do have social skills, but there are some out there with 0. The best chance my Father stood at forming a complete sentence was when my Mother was alive (she was an English major). He's been retired for years now and it still amazes me some of the things he does. Watch out Florida - he still has a drivers license
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Jan 13 2010, 15:32)
Completely agree. I think there's a to-be-expected level of scepticism regarding all of the new teams especially considering how little time they have really had to prepare for this upcoming season. In my view I would be unsurprised if two of the three didn't make it to the first tests. But I have yet to find an American outfit which didn't have a 'can-do' attitude and an iron will to create success, so I believe they'll make it work.
Unlike USF1 Virgin/Campos/1Malaysia have all been working away behind the scenes quietly
It is the continual verbal diarrohea and lavish promises and hyperbole from Windsor that has bought USF1 such scrutiny, Windsor bought claims of American drivers/thousands of hours of YouTube/factory webcams/state of the art web site into the public domain so when he does not deliver it is not unreasonable to ask questions
If Windsor had not uttered any public statements and grand promises I would say this would be a 9 page thread now not 49
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Jan 13 2010, 10:48)
Unlike USF1 Virgin/Campos/1Malaysia have all been working away behind the scenes quietly
It is the continual verbal diarrohea and lavish promises and hyperbole from Windsor that has bought USF1 such scrutiny, Windsor bought claims of American drivers/thousands of hours of YouTube/factory webcams/state of the art web site into the public domain so when he does not deliver it is not unreasonable to ask questions
If Windsor had not uttered any public statements and grand promises I would say this would be a 9 page thread now not 49
It is the continual verbal diarrohea and lavish promises and hyperbole from Windsor that has bought USF1 such scrutiny, Windsor bought claims of American drivers/thousands of hours of YouTube/factory webcams/state of the art web site into the public domain so when he does not deliver it is not unreasonable to ask questions
If Windsor had not uttered any public statements and grand promises I would say this would be a 9 page thread now not 49
Did Windsor beat you up and steal your lunch money? your girlfriend? what is it with you vs Windsor?
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Jan 13 2010, 15:50)
Did Windsor beat you up and steal your lunch money? your girlfriend? what is it with you vs Windsor?
I don't like the guy in F1Racing, him calling Jacques Villeneuve a MURDERER was the most distasteful comment I have ever read from an F1 journalist given JV's wheel went through a gap in the fence half an inch wider than the wheel
Add to that his almost homo erotic obsession with Hamilton in his writing and his overall feeling of self importance is all a big turn off but that aside when he created USF1 I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt
But ever since USF1 was created he has been a media whore making lavish promises that he hasn't lived up to or kept, he has been like Don King in the build up to a boxing match
USF1 makes a success of itself I will give him and them credit but if it happens it will be in spite of Windsor not because of it
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Jan 13 2010, 15:58)
I don't like the guy in F1Racing, him calling Jacques Villeneuve a MURDERER was the most distasteful comment I have ever read from an F1 journalist given JV's wheel went through a gap in the fence half an inch wider than the wheel
When was that?
I read F1 Racing for a number of years and can honestly say I've never read that.
QUOTE (DFV @ Jan 13 2010, 14:35)
The level of criticism towards the team is just without comparison
For a kick off I think you are grossly over-exaggerating the level of criticism. Its not even criticism in the most part, people are merely speculating on the progress of this team, concerned for them if anything, that they may not be ready for Bahrain - just as Bernie Ecclestone has done. Who is on here actively hoping and praying that they fail and are ready to dance on their grave as you would have us believe??? Why do you have to believe that there is a sinister reason behind the speculation???
This reminds me of a year of Toyota threads where people speculated that they might pull out - speculation which intensified when for example, Toyota did not resign drivers. Some of us speculated that this was a sign that they would pull out, whilst others, objected angrily that this 'isn't proof'. Well no, it wasn't proof, nobody said it was. And now they have unfortunately pulled out, I don't remember seeing any 'told you so' threads emerging either.
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Jan 13 2010, 10:58)
I don't like the guy in F1Racing, him calling Jacques Villeneuve a MURDERER was the most distasteful comment I have ever read from an F1 journalist given JV's wheel went through a gap in the fence half an inch wider than the wheel
Add to that his almost homo erotic obsession with Hamilton in his writing and his overall feeling of self importance is all a big turn off but that aside when he created USF1 I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt
But ever since USF1 was created he has been a media whore making lavish promises that he hasn't lived up to or kept, he has been like Don King in the build up to a boxing match
USF1 makes a success of itself I will give him and them credit but if it happens it will be in spite of Windsor not because of it
Add to that his almost homo erotic obsession with Hamilton in his writing and his overall feeling of self importance is all a big turn off but that aside when he created USF1 I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt
But ever since USF1 was created he has been a media whore making lavish promises that he hasn't lived up to or kept, he has been like Don King in the build up to a boxing match
USF1 makes a success of itself I will give him and them credit but if it happens it will be in spite of Windsor not because of it
If that's true, "calling Jacques Villeneuve a MURDERER", I would agree that is disgusting. I don't read F1Racing so I have no idea. Anyone?
As for him being a self-important twit - he's in F1! it would be rare if he wasn't. Most of his promises with regards to USF1 (at least I took them to mean) when they moved into their permanent facility and not their temporary facility that they are presently in.
QUOTE (DFV @ Jan 13 2010, 14:35)
The level of criticism towards the team is just without comparison to any of the other new teams, even though Campos are struggling and Virgin have had a management reshuffle and neither team have shown as much of their factory or car as USF1, the level of criticism is not even comparable.
First of all let me say that you've been arguing the defence of USF1 in an articulate and polite way DFV. Given your depth of feeling on the subject, that's appreciated.
Like I've said, I'd like USF1 to make the grid. But not at any cost.
Let me give you an example of what I fear.
In 1992 Fondmetal produced a decent car and its drivers van de Poole and Tarquini had some quite decent qualifying positions.
But the team was so cash strapped that it couldn't afford any new parts at all.
By the last three races of the team's life the drivers were being instructed to go out of their way not to damage the car, because they team couldn't afford to make new spares.
Now I'd hate to see USF1 make it but stagger along struggling for cash.
Now I know they're one of four new teams, so lets compare:
Virgin Racing. Two signed drivers and a reserve. Sponsorship. Has had its media launch.
Lotus: Two (race winning) drivers. Sponsorship. A world class designer. Has had its media launch.
Campos: One signed driver. A race team in place in Europe, and all the ancilliaries needed to go racing.
USF1: No drivers. No sponsorship (despite putting every little supplier on their website). A fairly empty factory.
I'd agree that none of the others have opened their doors to the media yet, aside from Lotus which has shown a bit of its stuff.
Again, I'll be more than happy if USF1 turn up at Bahrain with a strong package to begin their first GP.
But I certainly won't be coming onto this thread to give you all the middle finger if they don't.
And last of all, this is a motorsport forum. Everything is up for debate. Judging by the amount of traffic there is lots of interest in this team, which is a good thing.
I must give credit to DFV and potmotr for managing to use sensible facts to back up opposing arguments, as both of you clearly know what your talking about.
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Jan 13 2010, 16:58)
I don't like the guy in F1Racing, him calling Jacques Villeneuve a MURDERER was the most distasteful comment I have ever read from an F1 journalist given JV's wheel went through a gap in the fence half an inch wider than the wheel
That must have been 2001 after the Ralf vs JV incident in Australia but was he calling Jacques a murderer or was he merely reporting what Montoya said because he accused Villeneuve of that too, after which Bernie and Whiting had to step in.
BTW no more news from CompositeKen?
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 13 2010, 16:34)
That must have been 2001 after the Ralf vs JV incident in Australia but was he calling Jacques a murderer or was he merely reporting what Montoya said because he accused Villeneuve of that too, after which Bernie and Whiting had to step in.
Whatever happened calling Villeneuve a murderer after that incident is completely crazy.
A racing accident, just a hugely unfortunate one.
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 13 2010, 16:34)
BTW no more news from CompositeKen?
USF1 have cut off his internet access.
This team will not make the grid you can tel. Theyl no drivers no nothing just words so far. If they make it then fair enough but i see no evidence to say they will.
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 13 2010, 17:23)
I must give credit to DFV and potmotr for managing to use sensible facts to back up opposing arguments, as both of you clearly know what your talking about.
Thanks
Even though potmotr and I sometimes seem to be on different sides of the argument I also wish to give him credit because he is one of a very few who actually makes a valid argument to back up or explain his viewpoint. Not everyone is bothered to explain, or provide facts, to back up their statements.
USF1 is an intriguing story whichever way it turns out and I sure as hell hope that we'll see Windsor's smug face on the grid in Bahrain, more teams is better imo.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 13 2010, 11:14)
First of all let me say that you've been arguing the defence of USF1 in an articulate and polite way DFV. Given your depth of feeling on the subject, that's appreciated.
Like I've said, I'd like USF1 to make the grid. But not at any cost.
Let me give you an example of what I fear.
In 1992 Fondmetal produced a decent car and its drivers van de Poole and Tarquini had some quite decent qualifying positions.
But the team was so cash strapped that it couldn't afford any new parts at all.
By the last three races of the team's life the drivers were being instructed to go out of their way not to damage the car, because they team couldn't afford to make new spares.
Now I'd hate to see USF1 make it but stagger along struggling for cash.
Now I know they're one of four new teams, so lets compare:
Virgin Racing. Two signed drivers and a reserve. Sponsorship. Has had its media launch.
Lotus: Two (race winning) drivers. Sponsorship. A world class designer. Has had its media launch.
Campos: One signed driver. A race team in place in Europe, and all the ancilliaries needed to go racing.
USF1: No drivers. No sponsorship (despite putting every little supplier on their website). A fairly empty factory.
I'd agree that none of the others have opened their doors to the media yet, aside from Lotus which has shown a bit of its stuff.
Again, I'll be more than happy if USF1 turn up at Bahrain with a strong package to begin their first GP.
But I certainly won't be coming onto this thread to give you all the middle finger if they don't.
And last of all, this is a motorsport forum. Everything is up for debate. Judging by the amount of traffic there is lots of interest in this team, which is a good thing.
Like I've said, I'd like USF1 to make the grid. But not at any cost.
Let me give you an example of what I fear.
In 1992 Fondmetal produced a decent car and its drivers van de Poole and Tarquini had some quite decent qualifying positions.
But the team was so cash strapped that it couldn't afford any new parts at all.
By the last three races of the team's life the drivers were being instructed to go out of their way not to damage the car, because they team couldn't afford to make new spares.
Now I'd hate to see USF1 make it but stagger along struggling for cash.
Now I know they're one of four new teams, so lets compare:
Virgin Racing. Two signed drivers and a reserve. Sponsorship. Has had its media launch.
Lotus: Two (race winning) drivers. Sponsorship. A world class designer. Has had its media launch.
Campos: One signed driver. A race team in place in Europe, and all the ancilliaries needed to go racing.
USF1: No drivers. No sponsorship (despite putting every little supplier on their website). A fairly empty factory.
I'd agree that none of the others have opened their doors to the media yet, aside from Lotus which has shown a bit of its stuff.
Again, I'll be more than happy if USF1 turn up at Bahrain with a strong package to begin their first GP.
But I certainly won't be coming onto this thread to give you all the middle finger if they don't.
And last of all, this is a motorsport forum. Everything is up for debate. Judging by the amount of traffic there is lots of interest in this team, which is a good thing.
Fondmetal's big mistake was always funding (follow the money, follow the money, etc etc). Tarquini while a great driver IMO, I do mean great and I don't dole that out too often, was relatively speaking - he was broke.
Yearling teams will always require pay drivers, lest we forget Michael Schumacher was a pay driver - hell they ALL are in one form or another. The cars don't run on fairy dust and dreams or we'd all field an entry
You're happy to give Campos a free pass, but the reality is they are short of funds - “We are looking for investors and sponsors but the project is very much alive. We are talking with people who would like to be shareholders, ” he said. “We expect to have more investors. People speak too much and make trouble for us. I don’t want to sell my part of the team and I will remain the team principal – the condition to be a shareholder is to accept all the existing contracts.”
Obviously from that we can assume that some of these potential investors he is speaking of wanted more control than he was willing to give = he doesn't YET have the necessary funds.
You give Virgin a free pass too. Well they're in turmoil; John Booth is in, John Booth is out and Alex Tai is in, now Alex Tai out and Booth's back in
Virgin was getting something for nothing (if the rumors were correct) with Brawn so I doubt their sponsorship is worth all that much.QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Jan 13 2010, 17:14)
You're happy to give Campos a free pass, but the reality is they are short of funds - “We are looking for investors and sponsors but the project is very much alive. We are talking with people who would like to be shareholders, ” he said. “We expect to have more investors. People speak too much and make trouble for us. I don’t want to sell my part of the team and I will remain the team principal – the condition to be a shareholder is to accept all the existing contracts.”
Obviously from that we can assume that some of these potential investors he is speaking of wanted more control than he was willing to give = he doesn't YET have the necessary funds.
Obviously from that we can assume that some of these potential investors he is speaking of wanted more control than he was willing to give = he doesn't YET have the necessary funds.
I'm not giving them a free pass by any means.
If the road to the F1 World Championship is the Hammersmith and City line, the I reckon only Lotus and Virgin have reached Hammersmith.
By my reckoning Campos are at about Paddington, with USF1 back further at Kings Cross/St Pancras, or perhaps even Farringdon.
* Sorry, bored of the 50 percent there kind of analogies!!QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Jan 13 2010, 17:14)
You give Virgin a free pass too. Well they're in turmoil; John Booth is in, John Booth is out and Alex Tai is in, now Alex Tai out and Booth's back in Virgin was getting something for nothing (if the rumors were correct) with Brawn so I doubt their sponsorship is worth all that much.
Virgin was getting something for nothing (if the rumors were correct) with Brawn so I doubt their sponsorship is worth all that much.I don't think they're in turmoil.
Alex Tai is a Virgin marketing guy.
He was Virgin's point man at the launch.
But he was never going to remain as team principal, calling the shots on pitwall.
He's a money guy. Booth was always going to step up.
And you'd have to say, a small rearranging of the deck chairs doesn't stop them making Hammersmith.
Nope, like Lotus, Virgin's Oyster Card is fully charged.
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 13 2010, 17:34)
That must have been 2001 after the Ralf vs JV incident in Australia but was he calling Jacques a murderer or was he merely reporting what Montoya said because he accused Villeneuve of that too, after which Bernie and Whiting had to step in.
As it's been said, it has nothing to do with how utterly batshit insane calling JV a 'murderer' would be/was. I'm not familiar with F1 Racing but that's worthy of some of the worst Planet F1 and Pitpass moments combined.
QUOTE (wingwalker @ Jan 13 2010, 18:32)
As it's been said, it has nothing to do with how utterly batshit insane calling JV a 'murderer' would be/was. I not familiar with F1 Racing but that's worthy of some of worst Planet F1 and Pitpass moments combined.
I completely agree, it was an insane thing to say and JV justifiedly got very angry with Montoya when he said so, I was merely wondering if they were Windsor's words or him reporting Montoya's.
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 13 2010, 17:47)
I completely agree, it was an insane thing to say and JV justifiedly got very angry with Montoya when he said so, I was merely wondering if they were Windsor's words or him reporting Montoya's.
I subscribed to F1 Racing for ages and I can't remember ever reading that.
I do, however, remember reading the bit about JV and JPM nearly coming to blows over the 'murder' call.
I mean, it is totally ridiculous.
When the marshal died at Monza in 2000, you can't blame either of the Jordan drivers can you?
Actually, I can't even remember who caused that one.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 13 2010, 17:52)
Actually, I can't even remember who caused that one.
Rubens I beleive got the blame.
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 13 2010, 15:47)
[...] I was merely wondering if they were Windsor's words or him reporting Montoya's.
IIRC, Montoya's. Before the Canadian GP in 2001.
Montoya's comment was about the accident involving JV and Ralf at the Australian GP of the same year.
If it was Windsor commenting/reporting what Montoya had said, then it's hardly fair to say that Windsor called Villeneuve a murderer....
I don't know what the story is but if people are prejudiced towards Windsor for something he didn't say but just reported then that's not good. It would be like blaming the newsreader on TV for the bad news...
I don't know what the story is but if people are prejudiced towards Windsor for something he didn't say but just reported then that's not good. It would be like blaming the newsreader on TV for the bad news...
Peter Windsor always had a preference for Michael in his prose and never really complimemted Jacques but I don't recall him ever calling JV a murderer.
IMO USF1 will be on the grid. They have secured their facilities in both North Carolina and Spain, they are on schedule with FIA structural testing. They have an agreement with one driver, it is up to the driver to fullfil his obligation in said agreement. There is plenty of talent still available, until they are ready to run on track why rush to announce another driver? It would appear that they are further ahead than Campos and much more secure financially. Like Jason Anderson said, "it's a lot of work", too right, we should give the team the benefit of the doubt and applaud their hard work and ambition as opposed to seeking out the negative and critisizing every little nuance of each person's personality and mannerism that works for USF1.
IMO USF1 will be on the grid. They have secured their facilities in both North Carolina and Spain, they are on schedule with FIA structural testing. They have an agreement with one driver, it is up to the driver to fullfil his obligation in said agreement. There is plenty of talent still available, until they are ready to run on track why rush to announce another driver? It would appear that they are further ahead than Campos and much more secure financially. Like Jason Anderson said, "it's a lot of work", too right, we should give the team the benefit of the doubt and applaud their hard work and ambition as opposed to seeking out the negative and critisizing every little nuance of each person's personality and mannerism that works for USF1.
QUOTE
Add to that his almost homo erotic obsession with Schumacher
Fixed
2nd video is better - but I agree with the comment above. When the guy is asked how he will feel when the car roles out for the first time he looks like a murder suspect who has just been asked where he was on thursday at 2.30am...
I am still not convinced this is anything but desparate pr to try to get a sponsor before the ship goes down.
I am still not convinced this is anything but desparate pr to try to get a sponsor before the ship goes down.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Jan 13 2010, 03:39)
Let's be frank... the 'design director' looked like he lacked people skills, never got laid in his entire life, and got woken up after a week stint of Dungeons&Dragons-Online or something..
I'm from the multimedia design/programming world and most of my coworkers have been extremely shy and introverted. Awkward, almost; especially the fellow female ones. Oh, and the offices frequently had WoW or some such networked onto the computers
. I often ended up with the peer mentoring and public interaction chores simply because I was the rare outgoing designer/coder. Most of the engineers I've known have been similarly quiet. Certain professions attract introverts who make poor interview subjects.FWIW, I would have snuck the 'difficult' interviews in among other footage, editing the series of videos differently rather than setting so much of the first segment in awkward-land.
The problem isn't with the guys on camera, it's with the lack of someone off camera saying 'cut' when someone says something stupid or needs some coaching. The very fact that they release a video where a 'sr. designer' says that he couldn't get hired by any other F1 outfit shows that they either have no real PR person, or they have a really bad one.
In fact I feel pretty sorry for some of these guys. I hope Windsor is apologizing to them for putting them in such a situation.
In fact I feel pretty sorry for some of these guys. I hope Windsor is apologizing to them for putting them in such a situation.
Bernie isn't sounding very enthusiastic..
Speaking at the Wrooom media event in Italy, Ecclestone said he was concerned that not only would some of the newcomers fail to complete the 2010 season, but they might not appear for the opener in Bahrain at all.
"I think they're going to have trouble actually getting to the first race, so now we have to wait and see," he said.
"Obviously when you speak to these people they say everything's fine and there's no drama. But I'm sure there is drama."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80849
Speaking at the Wrooom media event in Italy, Ecclestone said he was concerned that not only would some of the newcomers fail to complete the 2010 season, but they might not appear for the opener in Bahrain at all.
"I think they're going to have trouble actually getting to the first race, so now we have to wait and see," he said.
"Obviously when you speak to these people they say everything's fine and there's no drama. But I'm sure there is drama."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80849
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 13 2010, 16:14)
By the last three races of the team's life the drivers were being instructed to go out of their way not to damage the car, because they team couldn't afford to make new spares.
If it is okay for driver in Formula BOSS or GT racing to drive in this way, why not F1?
They will still have to qualify in 107 or 105% which ever one they use.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 13 2010, 18:02)
Bernie isn't sounding very enthusiastic..
Quite simply the same questioning I've been having, except I openly have no problem expressing Windsor is a phony imbecile..
I do want 13 teams to make the grid though, not just 10...
Anti-American? Utter bull crap..
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 14 2010, 00:02)
Bernie isn't sounding very enthusiastic..
Speaking at the Wrooom media event in Italy, Ecclestone said he was concerned that not only would some of the newcomers fail to complete the 2010 season, but they might not appear for the opener in Bahrain at all.
"I think they're going to have trouble actually getting to the first race, so now we have to wait and see," he said.
"Obviously when you speak to these people they say everything's fine and there's no drama. But I'm sure there is drama."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80849
Speaking at the Wrooom media event in Italy, Ecclestone said he was concerned that not only would some of the newcomers fail to complete the 2010 season, but they might not appear for the opener in Bahrain at all.
"I think they're going to have trouble actually getting to the first race, so now we have to wait and see," he said.
"Obviously when you speak to these people they say everything's fine and there's no drama. But I'm sure there is drama."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80849
I have the sensation he really wants at least one of the new teams to fail... yes, I know it might sound odd, but he's not doing any favour to the new teams with his words to the press...
QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Jan 13 2010, 18:51)
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
Well, except for Ken Jr. the design director, and those who were asked to stand near him in the first video, the guys mostly sound like decent talkative blokes. It just started off weird and uneasy with Anderson Jr.
QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Jan 13 2010, 23:51)
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
Much better than the vid I watched yesterday. That was actually kinda refreshingly friendly. Probably because Windsor didn't say a word.
Just watched part 2 and it seems the same, so I guess they just had a bad start, lol.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Jan 13 2010, 23:13)
Quite simply the same questioning I've been having, except I openly have no problem expressing Windsor is a phony imbecile..
I do want 13 teams to make the grid though, not just 10...
Anti-American? Utter bull crap..
I do want 13 teams to make the grid though, not just 10...
Anti-American? Utter bull crap..
unfortunately some people have a problem separating the questioning of a team and the country it just happens to be based in let alone realising the chief person being criticised is not even American, but was born in the country that most of the critics come from.
Without a doubt the third video is what should have been the first and only video of the three. Relaxed, informal and able to string 3 words together in a meaningful way
QUOTE (ezequiel @ Jan 13 2010, 23:55)
I have the sensation he really wants at least one of the new teams to fail... yes, I know it might sound odd, but he's not doing any favour to the new teams with his words to the press...
I agree. He's not helping...
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Jan 13 2010, 23:13)
Quite simply the same questioning I've been having, except I openly have no problem expressing Windsor is a phony imbecile..
I do want 13 teams to make the grid though, not just 10...
Anti-American? Utter bull crap..
I do want 13 teams to make the grid though, not just 10...
Anti-American? Utter bull crap..
Virgin is going to miss the first test also. Haven't see a roller yet from them. In fact they won't fire up for another couple of weeks. And they just changed team principals. Campos appears to he having issues as well. Don't see many of the posters in this thread jumping all over Campos or Virgin as they do USF1. Some of the worst rumors are just taken as fact at face value or when someone claiming to be in the know posts (where do you reckon he is now?) many on this thread eat it up without any concern that it may be wrong. Be it due to nationalism, disdain of Peter Windsor or whatever, there is clearly a bias on this forum and also throughout the Eurocentric F1 media against USF1.
QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Jan 14 2010, 10:21)
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
This was much better, and a nice vid!
And yes after watching it again, I think I was wrong in thinking they were moving people around.
QUOTE (loki @ Jan 14 2010, 11:33)
Virgin is going to miss the first test also. Haven't see a roller yet from them. In fact they won't fire up for another couple of weeks. And they just changed team principals. Campos appears to he having issues as well. Don't see many of the posters in this thread jumping all over Campos or Virgin as they do USF1. Some of the worst rumors are just taken as fact at face value or when someone claiming to be in the know posts (where do you reckon he is now?) many on this thread eat it up without any concern that it may be wrong. Be it due to nationalism, disdain of Peter Windsor or whatever, there is clearly a bias on this forum and also throughout the Eurocentric F1 media against USF1.
I couldn't give a rats ass about whether Virgin or Campos make the grid, but from day 1 have been very interested in a US team.
QUOTE (loki @ Jan 14 2010, 01:03)
Virgin is going to miss the first test also. Haven't see a roller yet from them. In fact they won't fire up for another couple of weeks. And they just changed team principals. Campos appears to he having issues as well. Don't see many of the posters in this thread jumping all over Campos or Virgin as they do USF1. Some of the worst rumors are just taken as fact at face value or when someone claiming to be in the know posts (where do you reckon he is now?) many on this thread eat it up without any concern that it may be wrong. Be it due to nationalism, disdain of Peter Windsor or whatever, there is clearly a bias on this forum and also throughout the Eurocentric F1 media against USF1.
You will find people who dislike many teams its not just poor old USF1
Just look at some Ferrari and McLaren fans.
Look what was said about Williams as they did the right thing and said up yours to the fota maniacs during the summer.
Its the nature of a fan based forum that people will have strong views and yes some on both sides will be right and some wrong.
But you seam to ignore the fact that more people are interested in a new team in America because it is doing something very different than yet another new team from Europe.
Its Human nature to seek out the new and novel rather than the normal.
be thankful for the fact people are taking notice after all any publicity is better than none.
Would you rather the fact that everyone just ignored USF1?
I am certain PW and all at USF1 would rather we talked about them and they proved their supporters right on the track rather than almost no one talked about them at all.
As for nationalistic i think if you check that is something that could be far more correctly levelled at the supporters of USF1 after all how many people are supporting them just because of the letters US in their name.
Alexander Rossi has signed to race for ART Grand Prix in the new GP3 series this year. USF1 has mentioned in the past that they want to support up and coming young American drivers, could this be the start of that, could they have had an influence in helping him get this seat? GP3 this year with ART, if he does well maybe he moves up to their GP2 effort next year and then on to USF1? I'm glad to see at least one American driver moving into one of the F1 feeder series this year.
http://www.usgpe.com/news/rossi-signs-for-...x-gp3-team.html
http://www.usgpe.com/news/rossi-signs-for-...x-gp3-team.html
By now I HOPE they make it and are competitive - at least among the new teams. I'm starting to like their behind the scenes videos, just as those we get from McLaren and Williams (on eurosport.com last year?). Would be nice if other teams follow suit and give us some insight.
http://www.crash.net/tailenders/video/1559...ason_start.html
As a special treat for LazarusII and BMW f1. I know how much they love these.
As a special treat for LazarusII and BMW f1. I know how much they love these.
QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Jan 14 2010, 00:51)
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnz4GoPyss...feature=channel
Who were the less than observant posters who thought ken jr. was put in a different room or hidden away or whatever? I just watched the videos and it is obvious that they were filmed in one sitting, if not one shot, then chopped up in to 3 segments and possibly more to come. Come on, Haters, pay attention.
See, the big problem was in the editing process, not the idea of making factory-based videos. This could well be the first time the people compiling these little media snippets have done work of this kind. Considering the size of the team, it's likely all being handled by the in house design staff, which I'd expect is rather small, and they may be quite new to working in as big a business as F1. They should get better at all this over time.
As for the folks arguing that any and all criticism of USF1 is anti-American - that's not true. It seems that several of the people in this thread are American, and not all of them think USF1 will have an easy debut. See, this is the thing about going with a nationalistic name; certain people will dislike you simply because you become a symbol for a country they are not fond of, while others will defend you to unreasonable lengths just because you're the "home team", and that bunch tend to see any negative response as a direct attack on them and all that their country represents. Both of these are minority factions among serious fans, but in the larger audience there will be people taking sides over the whole national thing. I'm guessing this could be partly why the name USF1 was chosen; it would make sense as an attempt to draw interest and enthusiasm from non-fans and casual viewers (and, naturally, sponsors). Force India probably had some similar plans, though in their case there's also that element of promoting modern India to international audiences. Whatever, I'm not a fan of such tactics (I've been beating that dead horse for months now...) but the main reason I'm interested in USF1 is because I'm hoping they, with the extra pr help they should get from Speed during race broadcasts, might renew interest in the single seater style of racing here in North America. If anything, I'd like to see them succeed but I'm also worried they might fail and that could make the situation worse than it already is. As far as the other new teams go, I'd like them to do well but their success or failure really has no bearing on the domestic motorsports scene so my interest isn't a great.
As for the folks arguing that any and all criticism of USF1 is anti-American - that's not true. It seems that several of the people in this thread are American, and not all of them think USF1 will have an easy debut. See, this is the thing about going with a nationalistic name; certain people will dislike you simply because you become a symbol for a country they are not fond of, while others will defend you to unreasonable lengths just because you're the "home team", and that bunch tend to see any negative response as a direct attack on them and all that their country represents. Both of these are minority factions among serious fans, but in the larger audience there will be people taking sides over the whole national thing. I'm guessing this could be partly why the name USF1 was chosen; it would make sense as an attempt to draw interest and enthusiasm from non-fans and casual viewers (and, naturally, sponsors). Force India probably had some similar plans, though in their case there's also that element of promoting modern India to international audiences. Whatever, I'm not a fan of such tactics (I've been beating that dead horse for months now...) but the main reason I'm interested in USF1 is because I'm hoping they, with the extra pr help they should get from Speed during race broadcasts, might renew interest in the single seater style of racing here in North America. If anything, I'd like to see them succeed but I'm also worried they might fail and that could make the situation worse than it already is. As far as the other new teams go, I'd like them to do well but their success or failure really has no bearing on the domestic motorsports scene so my interest isn't a great.
Campos says: we need $20M in drivers sponsorship or a investor support.
USF1 says: we are fine, as planned. one of our partners is a internet millionaire.
If you were a sponsor, who would you look after ?
USF1 says: we are fine, as planned. one of our partners is a internet millionaire.
If you were a sponsor, who would you look after ?
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