Oh I agree! but it's a strange way to get confirmation... it's a cool story which would be enhanced further by a follow up at this point.

I guess you missed this part of his story:



He didn't want to go public with this until he had seen his company was listed on the USF1 website as suppliers (http://www.usgpe.com/partners.html). Or am I missing the point??

I took the smile to be that he was on the USF1 website as a supplier but didn't actually have an order from them.

Do you guess I missed a part of the story in the same way that bloke guesses his company is a USF1 sponsor?

Actually I just found it odd for the story to end like that... (on that other message board)

No biggie either way... maybe I used to wrong emoticon or something.. you guys need to ease up a little!

What smile? There is no smile in his post?

Apart from his reply a few posts down the page:

Yes.. that's what I was saying... at this point a follow up would be nice to conclude this little story!

Plus, nothing about USF1 on the company website: http://www.hargettprecision.com/

NO his company is NOT a sponsor. It is listed as a manufacturing partner...

And he doesn't guess, he writes that he had an e-mail from the team saying that they planned to incorporate his comapnies products. He only said that since it now was on USF1's website he figured it was official (and he could now tell others about it). Or am I misunderstanding his wording here?

Anyway, no biggie as you say.

What the hell is your problem mate? He was just having a laugh at the wording, nothing anti-usf1 in there.

Anyway lets have some drivers Peter. What kind of gearbox and whatever they have is all nice and dandy but who´s gonna pilot it

nose build in detail

No not a smilie, I meant smile as in general amusement, the comment from the Hargett guy, and posts about it.

Normally you do buy something from someone before you show them as a supplier partner on your website

Interesting clip.

Seems quite a bit more professional that the others.

Well look at how he titled his own thread... roll your eyes at him!

The clip does, but the content doesn't IMO. I mean it's just a nose. F1 basics, nothing to shout about.

Still, I thought the gearbox & Cosworth came as package (maybe it was Zytek gearbox not Xtrac)

- why would USF1 go and get another gearbox

I wonder why they don't use a 3000 hp electric motor or something to drive the dyno, then presumably they could "simulate" which ever torque and power curve they should want?

(don't know anything about eee - might be impossible!)

I used to think the same but that might just be a misconception we got from the initial FIA standard engine tender (which definitely included a gearbox)..

True, but how many other teams are giving us even this? At this point how many other teams do we even know what the nose looks like? With SpeedTV being around the corner and Hurley being on board, we should expect high quality videos.

i think it was xtrac for the gearbox
and its quite interesting to see how they make the components imo

about the gearbox, actully having it transverse would make more sence this year, as the fuel tanks will be longer (you wont want it any higher or wider than then driver/engine or saftey cell, so itll be longer. so most cars will have a longer wheelbase next year, a transverse gearbox gives you the option of being short wheelbase, all things being equal, and give you maybe more room for the double decker bit of the defuser?

USF1 just confirmed in that video it has not passed any crash tests yet..... while campos has passed all of theirs.

Also Kevin Bialis(composites manager) = Composite Ken ????????

I don't think they confirmed that at all. They said how/why they do the test, and showed footage of the (a) test, but nothing which says "this is what we WILL do", rather than "this is what he HAVE done"

Whoa dude..

I don't know why I'm responding to a post that's obviously frivolous, but here goes.

The video didn't confirm that they haven't passed any tests, as you say. The guy said that they sent the nose for testing and that it performed like they wanted it to. He explained that the nose absorbed the energy properly and the tub would not have been damaged had it been attached. So, NO, they haven't passed the full crash test, if you are looking for something to point to and say they're a failure. But no shit, we already knew they haven't gone for the full test. However, we now know with a pretty good degree of certainty that the nose did "pass" (That is if you are not one of the crazies who thinks this whole thing is a conspiracy.). So in that sense, you, Muzzinho, are entirely incorrect (no surprise).


I now apologize for letting [less than constructive people ] get me worked up.

Some respectable teams have failed crash tests in the past... either way, no need to get all insecure again. There are also differences between the FIA test and the team's own validation tests or whatever they call them..

I must be different, but IMO the ultra-defensive stance some people have taken is quite frivolous as well..

You know, there are nuances between something like 'Windsor is a twit' and 'the whole thing is a conspiracy/doesn't exist'... anyway, I already explained what my stance was in that regard.
plus, I'm not seeing many people seriously proposing the whole thing is a scam.. dunno which 'side' actually mentions that more often, if I had to guess, it would be the ultra-defensive crowd.

anyhow, there's only about 50 days to the season opener, so I guess they'll have to begin announcing some stuff soon.

Just curious.
Which teams have passed the full crash test..or at least announced that they have passed..besides Campos..?

It doesn't matter all that much... even a failed test shouldn't be a show-stopper.. but as far as announcing concrete positive news, it seems USF1 aren't offering much substance yet..

For comparisons sake:

-I have no doubt about the Campos car being ready in time, though the money aspect looks to be openly not ideal..

-Lotus almost two weeks ago were able to say when their car would hit the track. http://www.lotusf1racing.my/article/items/..._8_January.html

-Virgin = ???? ... not much on the technical side and their progression... though they have drivers confirmed (four of them, no less) and Branson/Virgin seems (te me) unlikely to let the team budget become a problem, even though its going to be minimal.. I personally wouldn't rule-out a PR stunt as far as saying the team will have the smallest budget..

even better you get to see guys working and people who can string a sentence together on camera
ten times better than the earlier couple of videos and showing progress.
Its stuff like this they promised a while back
better later than never.
but some would say better never late.
I do hope they do make it and manage to survive to next year as then if what we are finally starting to see happen with videos like this could well end up as a feast for all F1 fans next year.

Yep, looks like they finally got the video production thing into gear, so to speak..

(oh, and Composites Ken looks to be in a better mood, or he's a good actor, hehehe )

After all this thing made USF1 more famous than any other till to day, and let us say Virgin's flash is now gone...

I think its pretty cool how they even release a video with a part of the new car in it, no other team would do that. fair play to them

The nose looks very basic/standard.

Doesnt look like they have put much effort into optimising the front end.

Its almost like they told the designer draw a rough idea for a nose cone and they stuck with the first design they had.

Yea, why bother with computation fluid dynamics when you can just 'eye' how good a nosecone will be, like you obviously can.

That's a good point actually.

I guess we'll see which way the wind is blowing when the big teams show their hands in a week or so.

Yep let's generate downforce at the nose instead of using the nose to channel air to the underbody - the part that actually sucks the car to the road...


No effort in the front end? Let's see elaborate multipart endplates, multi layer front wing - yep plainly all they did was look up the downforce and drag coefficients of some NACA profiles and select one and stick it on the car - obviously they are so incompetent that they don't mind using wings that are no more efficient than those on 1968 F1 cars

This acute sensitvity towards any non-glowing comment about USF1 is starting to get tedious.

Ive stopped posting on this forum like i used to because of this general attitude like you say, and all the arguing, its a shame

Same actually.

Might be for the 'other' damper...like the one that hit Massa...

Oh, man, that's insane. Look at that... Bob Varsha walking around the place like he owns it! You think RON DENNIS, a REAL team manager would allow that in a proper F1 team like McLaren? Ridiculous! You think Jean Todt would let some camera crew just walk up to their designers, interrupting their work, and letting them drop some words for the fan base? NO! How unproductive!

And, wtf, are those CAD images of the car?! You think a certain Jean Todt back in his Ferrari days would let something like THAT happen? He'd off peoples heads! How absolutely unprofessional! Why not just ADVERTISE every single part they'll be designing and putting on the car?! And how /dare/ a team, a new up start who probably hasn't even finalized its livery or sponsorship deals, not press ahead and make some uniforms prematurely which will probably end up changing to conform to whatever title sponsorship they muster up! In fact, that should ahve been their #1 priority! Not hiring engineers, not buying the factory, or buying the manufacturing equipment... hell no! The uniforms are the single most important part of an F1 team! SO UNPROFESSIONAL!

In fact, they should have made the uniforms and THEN decide to make an F1 team! And speaking of sponsors and finances... how stupid that they don't open up their books for all to see or let the public in on negotiations! I do recall a certain Ron Dennis telling us how his team was in the BLACK now! Now THAT'S how you pander to the public!

No doubt everyone in the factory is related by blood! Only the finest inbreeding could produce such incompetence! Hell, every morning they probably have to chase away all the pigs before even getting to work! Probably even get a marmot or two stuck under the engine cover in Bahrain costing them 6 seconds a lap! And that's before you factor in the additional 6 seconds lost just from the lack of uniforms!

(I think I summed up all the arguments I've seen so far. I think the one about the whole lack of uniforms was the dumbest one so far... keep 'em coming! This is GOLD!)

after all it is your opinion.



BTW meb58:


I was wondering if this rod 'adjust' a parameter of the suspension while racing, either on pit on the actual racing track. They are mounted on the similar position to the upper arm mounting.

Right, and my opinion is that this left the realm of an educated opinion a long time ago and has devolved into nothing more than nitpicking by everyone with an anti-USF1 agenda. I'm not going to say USF1 is going to make it to Bahrain. That's too strong of a statement. They MIGHT make it or they MAY NOT. But, at this point it seems to be nothing more than a trollfest. Every little positive news that does come out from USF1 is spun around into something incredibly negative and pinned against the team like proof of their complete failure.

I'm still lol'ing at the "omg they took a picture of the tub that is not acceptable because it should be worked on 24/7 like any real F1 team." comment.

The third spring...from what I know has more fidelity and operates as aero loads increase...he third spring is what hit Massa in the head.

I should add that the third spring may be a spring, a damper or perhaps some sort of elaborate bushing that possess a reliable spring rate. It comes into play as areo loads increase...in other words it is not always working. I also suspect that it works in pitch - front to rear - and is tethered to both the left and right suspension components...whereas the push roads are independent...my thinking is a little fuzzy so don't take my words too literally.

BTW meb58:


I was wondering if this rod 'adjust' a parameter of the suspension while racing, either on pit on the actual racing track. They are mounted on the similar position to the upper arm mounting.
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Yo that prevents car from bottoming under high downwards force, I read that. But isn't it usual to mount this at the push rod as it moves as the car ups and downs? Car on corner pushes outer rods, while in bottoming pushes both pushrods in '~equal' movement.

But this one on USF1 looks like it does not change position while car is bottoming as it is mounted on the equal level to the upper arms... I guess I am missing something?

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/

Article on USF1 from Speed TV.

They're doing far better video-wise now. MUCH nicer. This is more along the lines of what I was hoping for! Too bad about the shaky start to the series but it happens that way sometimes.

[multimedia person hat on] My only picky detail – I'd like a better presentation of the USF1 logo shown at the end. Maybe something slightly animated? I don't know, it's just a wee bit lacking yet, compared to the rest of the clip. [/multimedia person hat off]

Anyone know, are they planning to edit the episodes together and offer them in DVD form at the close of each season? [insert your somewhat unfunny Like they'll finish a full season! jokes here...] That would make sense and would be something I'm sure a few people would enjoy having. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a USF1: Behind the Scenes of F1 special on Speed (or Discovery, or the Science Channel or some such).

BTW – for the hyper sensitive crowd – I'm not bashing the team. All right?

Pretty much sums up my thoughts perfectly.

That article doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

how it is fastened depends upon the actual arrangement of each setup...but the third spring acts like anti squat so it is working - I think - against bump under high aero loads. So it must work thru the pushrods.

You kind of get the feeling that it's touch and go if they will be able to finish all the work they have ahead of them. Also confirms transverse gearbox (to be built in-house!!) and that crash tests are not completed.

I really hope that the team will find the time they need.

EDIT:

At around 1:44 of the latest video you get a glimpse of the tub with sidepods attached.