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Xaus
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 3 2010, 16:42) *
Sorry but that is complete and utter buullshit. Bernie despises America and Americans. Bernie only cares about American money. Just read his many many statements regarding Americans and America. Examples of Bernie gems drunk.gif
- Americans probably thought Bosnia was a town in Miami.
- democracy hasn't done a lot of good for many countries
And of course the best for last.
- "It does not matter to F1 if there is no Grand Prix in the US," Ecclestone said. "What do we get from America? Aggravation, that's about all. If you say 'Good Morning' over there and it's five past 12, you end up with a lawsuit. We have never got any sponsors out there. The television has never taken off; we have more viewers in Malta than over there. If they want to continue having a round of the F1 World Championship, I am happy to talk to them. But I am not prepared to subsidise a race in America."

Bernie would be shot (if he was lucky) by his hero's Hilter or Hussein. Bernie is an old dried up douche bag down.gif

Yeah, he says some bigotted things but that that 'Good morning/lawsuit' quote always makes me lol.gif

I won't shed any tears if F1 doesn't ever come back to the U.S. It's very much a NASCAR fortress and unless the IRL can bounce back and get events happening all over the country then I can't see a single US Grand Prix making much of a dent against NASCRA--er, NASCAR. tongue.gif
Hole
QUOTE (glorius&victorius @ Feb 3 2010, 22:20) *
Who??


Wow, you don't seem to know much about Formula series other than F1 and the hypered guys.

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Feb 3 2010, 10:22) *
Oh, God, they're insufferable. The Spanish will do anything to see a Spnish drive in a Formula 1 car, won't they?


Sure, talent has nothing to do with it. Just spanish doing stuff to push for their drivers.

Probably Santander is behind everything as in Pedro's case. rolleyes.gif Or probably other spanish driver sponsored in secret.


I saw this guy fighting in the World Series against Kubica doing quite nice and doing only slightly worse, when given the chance he did very nice at the william and toro rosso tests, etc.... But then again maybe everything is about money, since he's Spaniard...

I guess if that other guy that did better than anyone at williams test named Dani Clos ever is given a chance he'll be bashed as well here. Specially because people's ignorance will make them look unknown drivers who are just given chances because of money.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Xaus @ Feb 3 2010, 16:45) *
Yeah, he says some bigotted things but that that 'Good morning/lawsuit' quote always makes me lol.gif

I won't shed any tears if F1 doesn't ever come back to the U.S. It's very much a NASCAR fortress and unless the IRL can bounce back and get events happening all over the country then I can't see a single US Grand Prix making much of a dent against NASCRA--er, NASCAR. tongue.gif

I'll stand by my earlier comment on Bernie - he's a douche bag. He doesn't just say bigoted things, he's a bigot...a pile of crap bigot down.gif

Lazarus II
QUOTE (AdamKOR @ Feb 3 2010, 16:54) *
maybe everything is about money

It is.
Hole
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 3 2010, 23:08) *
It is.


Unless the driver is british/german or hypered by british press of course. drunk.gif
Hole
It's a shame you guys come with that now. He did deserve no less chances than Kubica to come to F1, yet he was ignored, and now that is given a chance people look at down to him saying it's all about money (without knowing a shit about his sponsors, maybe secret of course as with Pedro).


Geez, so fair.
noikeee
QUOTE (AdamKOR @ Feb 3 2010, 21:54) *
I guess if that other guy that did better than anyone at williams test named Dani Clos ever is given a chance he'll be bashed as well here. Specially because people's ignorance will make them look unknown drivers who are just given chances because of money.


No, Dani Clos will get bashed because in the past 3 years he has shown nothing to confirm the potential he seemed to have in Formula Renault 2.0. I was absolutely baffled when Williams gave him a test, and when the reigning GP2 champion team have him a seat. Not sure what's that talk about "doing better than anyone ever" because I've never heard about it.

Valles is alright but nothing special IMO, you forgot saying that when he was up against Kubica, he had more experience in the series (and lost); and he did nothing in GP2 although he drove for teams that were poor at the time. USF1 could do worse than him, but Lopez-Valles is hardly an exciting lineup.
One
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 3 2010, 22:42) *
Sorry but that is complete and utter buullshit. Bernie despises America and Americans. Bernie only cares about American money. Just read his many many statements regarding Americans and America. Examples of Bernie gems drunk.gif
- Americans probably thought Bosnia was a town in Miami.
- democracy hasn't done a lot of good for many countries
And of course the best for last.
- "It does not matter to F1 if there is no Grand Prix in the US," Ecclestone said. "What do we get from America? Aggravation, that's about all. If you say 'Good Morning' over there and it's five past 12, you end up with a lawsuit. We have never got any sponsors out there. The television has never taken off; we have more viewers in Malta than over there. If they want to continue having a round of the F1 World Championship, I am happy to talk to them. But I am not prepared to subsidise a race in America."

Bernie would be shot (if he was lucky) by his hero's Hilter or Hussein. Bernie is an old dried up douche bag down.gif


roflmao.gif

....



Negotiation, taking position, have you heard of it?


Wops I just exceeded the forum rule. Sorry, back to my point.

Guys in US knows how to make money out of playing hard. That singularly is the reason Formula One can or cannot go there. Formula One at a moment is NOt something that American can play with. That is a good thing for Bernie, but but as you say Bernie cannot make money from US.

Now What I was trying to say was that ... How come that some say Bernie now have some trouble with the way USF1 is operating?
Seanspeed
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 3 2010, 17:03) *
I'll stand by my earlier comment on Bernie - he's a douche bag. He doesn't just say bigoted things, he's a bigot...a pile of crap bigot down.gif

I definitely get that impression. up.gif

As far as Valles goes, I think its a bad choice if they want somebody talented. He's not horrible, but the guy is mentally weak. He's the sort that gets passed once, and then falls apart for the rest of the race. He can be quick when everything is going right, but I suspect thats not going to happen all that often in USF1. USF1 need a driver that is going to stay headstrong and not lose hope and push for everything they've got in that car, even if the maximum is 16th place. I just dont see him being a huge help moving the team forward.
undersquare
From Bernie's point of view, he wants to fill up the calendar with new lucrative government-backed venues. The last thing he needs is a US team adding pressure for a US race that will never pay more than market value.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 3 2010, 18:21) *
From Bernie's point of view, he wants to fill up the calendar with new lucrative government-backed venues. The last thing he needs is a US team adding pressure for a US race that will never pay more than market value.

We have a winner clap.gif

And Bigot-Bernie is under pressure from the manufactures to put on a race here.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 3 2010, 18:21) *
From Bernie's point of view, he wants to fill up the calendar with new lucrative government-backed venues. The last thing he needs is a US team adding pressure for a US race that will never pay more than market value.


I think Bernie very much wants USA to be part of F1 in every way possible (he wants their money, as pointed out earlier), but an extremely humble effort (trying to be polite here!) bearing that USF1 name actually gets in the way of that... it'll be seen as an embarrassment by the casual american motorsport fan, and big american sponsors, who are motivated by GOOD results and a MASSIVE dominant presence..
undersquare
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 3 2010, 23:37) *
I think Bernie very much want USA to be part of F1 in every way possible, but an extremely humble effort (trying to be polite here!) bearing that USF1 name actually gets in the way of that... it'll be seen as an embarrassment by the casual american motorsport fan, and big american sponsors, who are motivated by GOOD results and a MASSIVE dominant presence..


FOTA want to be in the US, but does Bernie? He could have been in the US, after all.
Dulok
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 3 2010, 18:21) *
From Bernie's point of view, he wants to fill up the calendar with new lucrative government-backed venues. The last thing he needs is a US team adding pressure for a US race that will never pay more than market value.

up.gif up.gif

QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 3 2010, 18:27) *
And Bigot-Bernie is under pressure from the manufactures to put on a race here.

Since there are a lot less manufacturers in F1 now, there might be less push from FOTA for a F1 race in the States now.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 3 2010, 18:42) *
FOTA want to be in the US, but does Bernie? He could have been in the US, after all.


I can't really elaborate as I think my previous post is covering those bases already smile.gif
undersquare
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 3 2010, 23:48) *
I can't really elaborate as I think my previous post is covering those bases already smile.gif


Can't spot it. It's late tho tongue.gif

AFAIK anyway FOM is heavily focussed on sanction fees to service its debts. The longer term wellbeing of the sport obviously would be best served by having at least one US race, but Bernie is basically just a negotiator not an entrepreneur.

IMO one of the reasons sponsors are so hard to find for teams (including USF1) is that the US market is pretty much untouched by F1 atm.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 3 2010, 18:37) *
I think Bernie very much wants USA to be part of F1 in every way possible (he wants their money, as pointed out earlier), but an extremely humble effort (trying to be polite here!) bearing that USF1 name actually gets in the way of that... it'll be seen as an embarrassment by the casual american motorsport fan, and big american sponsors, who are motivated by GOOD results and a MASSIVE dominant presence..

There are plenty of US companies in F1 now....and have been for years and years.

The casual American motorsport fan knows more about Monster Trucks than F1. F1 is perceived by the casual American motorsport fan as being pompous/arrogant and non fan-friendly. That's just the cold hard truth. Bernie perpetuates this image rather well too. With his usual comments he does anything to help the situation.

I'm not real interested if you like it or not, but American mentality does not take kindly to someone pissing down their back and telling them it's raining. So when Bernie says stupid shit like "we only get aggravation" then Americans will turn their backs to that...and we do hold grudges. We didn't invent fueding, but we're damn good at it lol.gif
BiH
looks like usf1 is racing against the clock to finish their car. hope they can make it to bahrain

QUOTE
today's update

"Thank you US F1 Team fans and friends for all of your support. We are sorry about the delay in news, but trust us, things are moving fast and furious! We look forward to giving you more pictures, videos and updates in the coming weeks and appreciate your patience!"
DLaw
QUOTE (BiH @ Feb 3 2010, 16:20) *
looks like usf1 is racing against the clock to finish their car. hope they can make it to bahrain


I am beginning to worry..... ohwell.gif
BiH
Even more news so i guess soon we will see the complete car. which ties into the early suggestions for crash test at feb.15th.

QUOTE
US F1 to fit radical gearbox to Type 1

F1 2010: American team to fit transverse gearbox to its new car
Formula 1's only North American team has opted to use a tranverse gearbox in its Type 1 Grand Prix car. The transmission which is being built in house with the collaboration of local specialists EMCO, was selected for reasons of packaging and is unique in modern F1. Racecar Engineering journalist Jonathan Ingram was shown the design when he took time off from tha NASCAR media tour last month. Read his thoughts here: Ingram on F1

The USF1 Type 1 is likely to have more suprises in store, the full design will be revealed in the March issue of Racecar Engineering Magazine - which will be available here on the 12th Feb.

from http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/pr...x-to-type-1.htm
Seanspeed
The USF1 Type 1 is likely to have more suprises in store, the full design will be revealed in the March issue of Racecar Engineering Magazine - which will be available here on the 12th Feb.

Thats pretty cool.
cmgoodman
I think USF1 will make it to the grid, but right now has to concentrate on passing the FIA required crash tests. I do expect USF1 to have american drivers this year, partly because of economic considerations, and the disarray within IRL community with transition of management from Tony George to the Sisters George. Most IRL teams are reinventing themselves and struggling to maintain management.

There is a chance that Graham Rahal will be unsigned for the 2010 IRL season, and USF1 would be wise to offer him at least a test drive, and perhaps at least a one-off drive for Canada.

As for supporting an F1 race in the USA, it is remarkable to note that the new CEO of IRL will be, Randy Bernard, the former head of the Professional Bull Riders Association. It would fun to Mssr. Ecclestone and Moseley mounting the proverbial Bull in honor of racing at Indianapolis, since they have shoveled so much Bull about the USA in the past. At least someone in the US will know how to properly hogtie them, if need be.

I know there are many skeptics and naysayers about USF1 and USA open wheel racing out there. I think it will be a moral victory for us american fans, when USF1 lines up on the starting grid in Bahrain this year. I don't care how they make the sausage, just that it is there on the plate to enjoy, when the bell rings.

At least USF1 does not have StefanGP working against it in the background like Campos does. So much for Bernie backing all the new entrants to F1. As for Toyota, now we know why they dropped out of F1 at the end of last year. Too bad, the accelerator pedal was not stuck down for their drivers last year; maybe, they would have won a race!
TheF1PERSON
For those of you who are thinking that Marca have made the whole Valles story up, here is an update from Lopez's facebook:

Andrés Vallés casi confirmado como compañero de Pecho...
rmac923
QUOTE
US F1 to fit radical gearbox to Type 1

F1 2010: American team to fit transverse gearbox to its new car
Formula 1's only North American team has opted to use a transverse gearbox in its Type 1 Grand Prix car. The transmission which is being built in house with the collaboration of local specialists EMCO, was selected for reasons of packaging and is unique in modern F1. Racecar Engineering journalist Jonathan Ingram was shown the design when he took time off from the NASCAR media tour last month. Read his thoughts here: Ingram on F1

The USF1 Type 1 is likely to have more surprises in store, the full design will be revealed in the March issue of Racecar Engineering Magazine - which will be available here on the 12th Feb.

from http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/pr...x-to-type-1.htm


Awesome, Racecar Engineering have been very accurate with USF1 news, so this should satisfy everyone.

TheF1PERSON
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Feb 4 2010, 00:48) *
For those of you who are thinking that Marca have made the whole Valles story up, here is an update from Lopez's facebook:

Andrés Vallés casi confirmado como compañero de Pecho...


This translates to almost what was said in Marca

So, that would mean

22 Lopez
23 Valles
Lazarus II
Wouldn't the transverse gearbox 'block' air passage to the diffuser? or am I wrong there? Of course it'll be wider and shorter......
rmac923
Also, I'm pleased that USF1 were able to sign Adrian Villes. Getting the Superleague Formula Champion goes a long for the team's credibility.
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 4 2010, 03:11) *
Wouldn't the transverse gearbox 'block' air passage to the diffuser? or am I wrong there? Of course it'll be wider and shorter......


I think they still need a crash structure in the place that others use for gear shafts. And the rear axle have to be futher away from the engine because the gears are in between? So where is the benefit ot the transverse box? Less weight behind the rear axle?
Messi10
They should at least try to hire Rossi and/or Summerton as test drivers.


Messi10
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 3 2010, 15:42) *
(Bernie)"..We have never got any sponsors out there.."
..

Budweiser sponsored Williams when Montoya was driving for them..
pup
Uh, nevermind...
Talryyn
http://f1paddockblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/...es-to-race.html

http://twitter.com/usf1team

To switch topics back to USF1...
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 4 2010, 04:28) *
http://twitter.com/usf1team

To switch topics back to USF1...


Every time Bernie talks them down, they have to assure that they are actually doing something. biggrin.gif
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 3 2010, 21:28) *

"Thank you US F1 Team fans and friends for all of your support. We are sorry about the delay in news, but trust us,... "

That statement isn't from someone who is not intent on being on the grid (at least IMO)....unless they just enjoy being embarassed (Max anyone!)
JForce
I don't think anyone doubts their INTENT to be on the grid, it's their ABILITY to be on the grid that's in question.

What I haven't seen spoken about is what happens if they fail the crash tests? It's not uncommon, it happens to most teams now and then as they push the envelope. Do we assume that because USF1 are aware of their tight timeframes they'll sacrifice performance for ensuring they pass the crash test, and make their car a little heavier but more likely to pass? Seems to make sense, but if they're going "radical" and get it wrong, they're pretty screwed time-wise aren't they?
Menace
They are cutting it close, no doubt about it. But I belive they will be there.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (JForce @ Feb 3 2010, 23:28) *
I don't think anyone doubts their INTENT to be on the grid, it's their ABILITY to be on the grid that's in question.

What I haven't seen spoken about is what happens if they fail the crash tests? It's not uncommon, it happens to most teams now and then as they push the envelope. Do we assume that because USF1 are aware of their tight timeframes they'll sacrifice performance for ensuring they pass the crash test, and make their car a little heavier but more likely to pass? Seems to make sense, but if they're going "radical" and get it wrong, they're pretty screwed time-wise aren't they?

Fair point. If they do have problems w/crash test, then I would say they will have problems (depending on how serious the issues).

I am not saying they will perform as Brawn did, but Brawn did miss the first two tests last year.
DFV
QUOTE (JForce @ Feb 4 2010, 05:28) *
I don't think anyone doubts their INTENT to be on the grid, it's their ABILITY to be on the grid that's in question.

What I haven't seen spoken about is what happens if they fail the crash tests? It's not uncommon, it happens to most teams now and then as they push the envelope. Do we assume that because USF1 are aware of their tight timeframes they'll sacrifice performance for ensuring they pass the crash test, and make their car a little heavier but more likely to pass? Seems to make sense, but if they're going "radical" and get it wrong, they're pretty screwed time-wise aren't they?


The team said something along those lines a few weeks back. They said that they would rather have the nose cone a few grams heavier and pass the crash test than have it really on the limit. For their first season they where prepared to make some compromizes.

Makes sense if you are not expecting to be one of the frontrunning teams. 2010 will pretty much be a learning year for the new teams.
Gareth
All: can we stick to US F1 in this thread please? Thanks very much.
qwazy
Here's something I've been wondering about the last couple of days;

When does USF1 start development of the 2011 car? We've seen some signs of a definite advantage to starting development early ('09 Brawn; this years Ferrari and Sauber entry's look quick thus far) so wouldn't it make sense to just get this car done and begin the 2011 car as soon as possible?

Or do you think that USF1 has to continually push this season in an effort to truly learn how to build a racecar from scratch, and then to build a successful one?
Xaus
QUOTE (qwazy @ Feb 4 2010, 04:42) *
Here's something I've been wondering about the last couple of days;

When does USF1 start development of the 2011 car? We've seen some signs of a definite advantage to starting development early ('09 Brawn; this years Ferrari and Sauber entry's look quick thus far) so wouldn't it make sense to just get this car done and begin the 2011 car as soon as possible?

Or do you think that USF1 has to continually push this season in an effort to truly learn how to build a racecar from scratch, and then to build a successful one?

Many teams will probably start around mid-season including USF1. Maybe earlier if they're going for a whole new chassis but a lot of times it's just an evolution instead of revolution.
Captain Tightpants
Moving the dicussion across from the Campos thread:
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Feb 4 2010, 20:29) *
Still not understanding how any voice of concern that USF1 might not make it is met with 'you obviously don't like USF1'. There seem to be tons of you, with this complex, regarding USF1, yet if you say on the Campos thread that you think they might not make it, you don't get the same response.

That's because there's actually evidence that Campos won't make it.
Paco
QUOTE (qwazy @ Feb 4 2010, 06:42) *
Here's something I've been wondering about the last couple of days;

When does USF1 start development of the 2011 car? We've seen some signs of a definite advantage to starting development early ('09 Brawn; this years Ferrari and Sauber entry's look quick thus far) so wouldn't it make sense to just get this car done and begin the 2011 car as soon as possible?

Or do you think that USF1 has to continually push this season in an effort to truly learn how to build a racecar from scratch, and then to build a successful one?



Seriously? They wont even dream of starting on the next gen car until mid season if not later. It's going to take all they got to just make a single test session and show up at the 1st gp. Then they have to seriously work on a b-spec car to fix some fundmental flaws that will surely be discovered after the 1st 3 or 4 major track sessions as they have zero to go off and build upon. Don't be surprised if the 2011 car comes out really late and they start the season with a heavily modified 2010..

They way i see it being is something along the lines of

USF1 v1 (launch)
USF1 v1b (by the 6th race)
USF1 v1c (by the 12th race)
USF1 v1d (start of 2011 and the 1st 3-4 races)
USF1 v2 (June 2011)
noikeee
Yeah but this year there's restrictions on certain car components that you can't update more than a number of times, or something like that. Pretty sure I've read somewhere about Ferrari telling the rumours they'd build a B-spec car were rubbish, because it was forbidden by the rules.

By now I'm pretty confident USF1 will make it, they have the drivers, they have crash tests schedulled, they have track tests schedulled, and if you're to believe James Allen they can skip 3 races. If the crash test goes wrong then skip Bahrain and start on the next race, what's the problem?
DFV
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Feb 4 2010, 11:44) *
Yeah but this year there's restrictions on certain car components that you can't update more than a number of times, or something like that. Pretty sure I've read somewhere about Ferrari telling the rumours they'd build a B-spec car were rubbish, because it was forbidden by the rules.

By now I'm pretty confident USF1 will make it, they have the drivers, they have crash tests schedulled, they have track tests schedulled, and if you're to believe James Allen they can skip 3 races. If the crash test goes wrong then skip Bahrain and start on the next race, what's the problem?


You are not allowed to make changes on homologated parts during the season (new rule for 2010). However they have to be homologated before the first race, so a team could in theory launch one spec of their car and come up with a "B" spec before the first race (wouldn't really be in the spirit of bringing down the costs though..).

Homologated parts include the survival cell (tub) amongst a few other parts. So only wings and bodywork basically that is open for modifications.

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28.7 a) One specification of each of the following parts must be homologated prior to the first Event of the Championship season :
- survival cell ;
- principal and second roll structures ;
- front, rear and side impact structures ;
- front wheel ;
- rear wheel.
Once homologated, changes to the these parts will only be permitted for clear safety or reliability reasons following written approval from the FIA.


http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/B...011-12-2009.pdf
DFV
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81275

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Team US F1 and Campos Meta 1 remain fully on course to make the start of the Formula 1 season, despite speculation suggesting both teams' efforts could be in doubt.

With Virgin Racing having become the first new team to unveil its 2010 car on Wednesday, and Lotus Racing confirming its launch will be on February 12, there has been a fresh focus on the two other F1 rookie outfits.

Although both teams admit that they have faced difficulties in recent weeks as they get themselves ready for the move to F1, US F1 and Campos insist they are both on course for next month's Bahrain Grand Prix.

Peter Windsor, US F1's executive vice president, told AUTOSPORT that the team was thinking of nothing more than racing in Bahrain.

"We're still in exactly the same mode - flat out," he explained. "Bahrain is the goal - and we are not thinking of anything else. It is just amazing to see the hours and time that everyone is putting in.

"We had a slight bump in the road with a sponsor who was late on payment, but that is typical of what can happen to any new team. We've moved on from that and found a replacement."

Windsor said the team would run its car once it had passed all its mandatory crash tests - which should happen soon.

"The car is quite late because we put a massive amount of development time into it," he explained. "We are taking our time and as a team we are confident we are on the right track.

"As soon as we are through the crash tests, we will be doing a shakedown and going to Bahrain."

He added: "We will be in Bahrain. We may not be pretty, but we will be there. And from there we will grow. This is all about belief, passion and people being committed to a very good cause."

Rumours that US F1 has asked for special dispensation to miss the first three races of the season have also been completely dismissed.
potmotr
Hmmm...

Windsor interview in Autosport...

"We will be in Bahrain. We may not be pretty, but we will be there."

"We had a slight bump in the road with a sponsor who was late on payment, but that is typical of what can happen to any new team. We've moved on from that and found a replacement."


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81275

EDIT: Oops, DFV beat me to it! smile.gif
juicy sushi
This is not good:

http://murphythebear.com/blog/index.php/2010/02/02/720/

For those that don't know, this site is basically a source of various rumours on the non-NASCAR side of North American motorsport. He's often on the bleeding edge with things (which is why he makes no claims to being accurate), but is often quite right, and out in front well before anyone else. If this is what Murphy's hearing from inside USF1, then things aren't sounding good.
rmac923
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 4 2010, 09:44) *
Hmmm...

Windsor interview in Autosport...

"We will be in Bahrain. We may not be pretty, but we will be there."

"We had a slight bump in the road with a sponsor who was late on payment, but that is typical of what can happen to any new team. We've moved on from that and found a replacement."


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81275

EDIT: Oops, DFV beat me to it! smile.gif



I don't think anyone expects them to be competitive, even Windbag himself said their goal was to make it to Bahrain and begin building a franchise. I think even he realizes this is a long term project.
rmac923
QUOTE (juicy sushi @ Feb 4 2010, 09:49) *
This is not good:

http://murphythebear.com/blog/index.php/2010/02/02/720/

For those that don't know, this site is basically a source of various rumours on the non-NASCAR side of North American motorsport. He's often on the bleeding edge with things (which is why he makes no claims to being accurate), but is often quite right, and out in front well before anyone else. If this is what Murphy's hearing from inside USF1, then things aren't sounding good.


Duh, If an F1 team only has one driver and hasn't crash tested their car 6 weeks before the start of the season, of course they aren't in good shape. rolleyes.gif
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