A-ha...
Kyle Bush will master the new F1 in 8 testing days and in circuits he never raced before ?

What a blatant publicity stunt.

This team is getting more pie-in-the-sky each week.

I expect the team will be as fit as all the other newcomers, I just don't agree with their pr methods, so I have to ask, Am I being included in this? If so, why would I hate the US? I have family there, I've spent loads of time there, lived there...no hate.

Just saying, since I can vouch for at least one poster (me) who isn't consumed with rabid American bashing on this topic.

Campos is struggling more than USF1 i think. Rumours are they have run out of money and Sponsors are leaving them. I hope Bruno Senna doesnt sign with them. However USGPE seems intent on having the worst diver line up of the new teams.

Windsor is a mediocre journalist And this is relevant because??? Relevant because he is supposed to be leading a start up F1 team and instead he is selling TV clips to various F1 channels for a couple of grand each weekend.
Anderson appears completely out of his depth And that is a sign that USF1 wont be on the grid? It could be relevant to the quality of the car they make of course Considering Anderson is supposed to be the driving force of getting them onto the grid, yes.
The team has no race history And the new Lotus team has? Actually yes they do. Google litespeed and Mike Gascoyne.
They have no big name technical signings hat we know of. But even without unknown people they could still compete, it's more to do with the quality of the car. The other teams have technical directors and staff with recent experience in design/build of F1 cars.
They still have an empty factory And the Lotus factory is buzzing with a complete car and lots of staff? And are we sure the factory is empty (I don't know)? I don't know much about the Lotus setup sorry - but I do know they have not provided media tours of an empty factory.
They plan on outsourcing most design and testing And that is a sign they wont show up next year? They have chosen another way of doing it, might work might not but I can't see that as relevant to what is being discussed here (will the team make it to the grid) Relevant as their whole design/build process relies on outsourcing to US groups with no F1 experience.
Many in F1 including Bernie/Max are unsure about them Valid point, even though Ferrari have been quite derogatory to all newcomers...
2010 entry granted for aligning with FIA during breakaway threat So where Campos and Manor as well... Actually USF1 was guaranteed an entry while Campos and Manor fought it out with the other hopefuls. This is because USF1 were the first to publicly align with Max and co.

As I said earlier I don't know if they will show up but I hope they make it and there hasn't really been any factual information in this thread to suggest otherwise.

Great to hear some progress is happening at USF1!

You can say it as many times as you want, doesn't mean it's true.

I was (and still am to a lesser extent) doubtful of their chances based on the facts, not the nationality.

For you Yanks reading this thread, the level of anti-American sentiment is real, no matter how they try to hide it. I was born and raised in the UK, trust me, American bashing is quite the norm, much of it between the lines and just under breath.

What I think many Europeans dislike, especially Brits, is the fact Americans don't care what the World thinks. It's a interesting mixture of hate and admiration mixed into one. They admire you for many things but love to hate you just the same.

Ironically, it doesn't happen the other way around. Americans think of Brits in passing, mostly with images of brimmed hats, cockney accents, red telephone booths, and double decker buses. They have no animosity towards us, in fact they don't have an opinion either way.

The problem with USF1, is that the US pretty much controls the World stage, except for a few things like football (soccer to you), and F1 racing. Anytime "Mericans" try to do well in these two World arenas, everyone will come out and try to take you down.

He's a talented racer but I wouldn't say he's the most talented in the US. He's one of the most talented in stock car racing but he's got some maturing to do. He's been driving 3000# sleds, going to a lighter car with more hp to weight ratio might be tough. As far as Toyota goes, they have little to nothing to do with it. The TRD effort is a standalone program for the US only and has nothing to do the the F1 effort. Joe Gibbs Racing are the people that have Shruby's contract. It's not in TRD's interest to orchestrate a move to F1.

Manufacturer participation in NASCAR is different than it is in F1. Support comes in the way of funding for some of the teams and some R&D though prior to Gibbs all Toyota Cup cars and engines were built by TRD. Much of that was due to the fact the original Toyota teams lacked fabrication and engine shops as they were low budget or new startup teams. Shruby is just running his mouth and Windsor is using that to get some press. I think they both know deep down that he's not going to seriously go to F1.

For you Yanks reading this thread, the level of anti-American sentiment is real, no matter how they try to hide it. I was born and raised in the UK, trust me, American bashing is quite the norm, much of it between the lines and just under breath.

What I think many Europeans dislike, especially Brits, is the fact Americans don't care what the World thinks. It's a interesting mixture of hate and admiration mixed into one. They admire you for many things but love to hate you just the same.

Ironically, it doesn't happen the other way around. Americans think of Brits in passing, mostly with images of brimmed hats, cockney accents, red telephone booths, and double decker buses. They have no animosity towards us, in fact they don't have an opinion either way.

The problem with USF1, is that the US pretty much controls the World stage, except for a few things like football (soccer to you), and F1 racing. Anytime "Mericans" try to do well in these two World arenas, everyone will come out and try to take you down.

For you Yanks reading this thread, the level of anti-American sentiment is real, no matter how they try to hide it. I was born and raised in the UK, trust me, American bashing is quite the norm, much of it between the lines and just under breath.

What I think many Europeans dislike, especially Brits, is the fact Americans don't care what the World thinks. It's a interesting mixture of hate and admiration mixed into one. They admire you for many things but love to hate you just the same.

Ironically, it doesn't happen the other way around. Americans think of Brits in passing, mostly with images of brimmed hats, cockney accents, red telephone booths, and double decker buses. They have no animosity towards us, in fact they don't have an opinion either way.

The problem with USF1, is that the US pretty much controls the World stage, except for a few things like football (soccer to you), and F1 racing. Anytime "Mericans" try to do well in these two World arenas, everyone will come out and try to take you down.

What a load of BS, sorry to be so blunt, but, I, as Englishman who is as English as they come, have no feelings of animosity to the 'Yanks'.

The 'Yanks' as you deride them are only portrayed in fantasy films. On the stage of Formula One, let them come and show their worth, do not pre-judge them.

I don't think that's true at all. Bush obviously did a lot of damage to America's reputation all over the world, but now he's gone and the rest of it is niggles, you get the same thing between the european countries just the same.

Personally I think an F1 team in Charlotte is great. I love going to America, once I've got though immigration . Calling the team USF1 is obviously going to make it a target, and the presentation too, flag-waving is only bearable once you've achieved something, but it's not that bad, everybody exaggerates a bit of criticism into "hate", it's not that at all really, just a bit of healthy scepticism. If it works the respect will be there.

Slideways you don't present any fact rather you present conclusions based on your opinion. Some of these conclusions are based on observations that have turned out to be incorrect. It's not the fact that you have an opinion, that's fine. It's that you consider your opinion as fact when in reality it's anything but conclusions you've drawn to support your argument.

For you Yanks reading this thread, the level of anti-American sentiment is real, no matter how they try to hide it.

Have you actually read the points I made? Windsor and Anderson were arguably opinion, but the rest were completely factual at the time of writing.

If you guys can't let this go, I'm sorry, this place is no longer a place for two sided discussion. I bring up a list of valid concerns and get labelled some kind of hate criminal.

I'm here to discuss the new race team and it seems I'm one of the few in this thread capable of doing that.

Peter Windsor's told GPWeek the team is NOT going to drop Cossie engines...

Why would anyone drop their engines? As BMW found out, theytend to break whn you do that ...

He also says that for a calibration test, they tested their rapid prototype machine to produce a copy of an F-15 fighter!

Q. Has your official entry been lodged yet?
PW: Yes. Absolutely. It has been accepted. In fact, it was lodged a long time ago - well before we even did the announcement [24.02.09].

"The FIA equally have known about this in detail now for about five to six months, and instantly grasped the programme and instantly accepted the way we wanted to do it as, dare I say it, the poster child for how a Formula One team should be going into the next generation."

PS. I think it's very positive they are aiming for Toyota. Not only are they moving away from Mosley-Cosworth, it's an instantly recognisable supplier stateside.

PS. I think it's very positive they are aiming for Toyota. Not only are they moving away from Mosley-Cosworth, it's an instantly recognisable supplier stateside.

Which part of Windsor saying the team was sticking with Cosworth didn't you understand?

What I think many Europeans dislike, especially Brits, is the fact Americans don't care what the World thinks. It's a interesting mixture of hate and admiration mixed into one. They admire you for many things but love to hate you just the same.

Schmidts F1-Blog: New track, New teams

All titles are awarded, and yet the last Grand Prix of the year offers a bit more tension. Just because it's about nothing more, will be moved to Abu Dhabi without tactical constraints. And the Formula 1 teams will find a route that they do not know. The experience shows time and again: the more unprepared the teams go into a race, the better it gets. The constellation start in daylight and finish line at night has its attractions.

Abu Dhabi is likely to stand the gigantic race track that has ever existed. Project megalomania could be said to have represented what the builders because: a 60 meter high tower of the race, which dominates the home stretch. A run-off area, which runs under a grandstand. A luxury hotel, which spans over the racetrack. A pit lane exit, which goes into a tunnel sides. If the Formula 1 calendar, to further enrich Trails retort, only bigger and more expensive than the others, or is it the organizers managed to implant a piece of self-reliance? In a few days we will be smarter.

Toyota and Sauber's successor on the brink

Will we have to wait longer, until we know the teams and drivers for 2010. Never before has the future of the team was so uncertain as this year. Toyota, in spite of positive signals from Tokyo are still in the balance. As long as the management is not one hundred percent sure if the racing is here in the next year, it can also terminate treaties without the driver.

The fate of the BMW Sauber racing team is more puzzling. Without the appointment of team leaders will be no permanent place in the field, and without this place is no money goes to BMW. The longer this tug of war, is all the more appropriate skepticism at the name Qadbak. It would be a shame if the troops starved, Huntersville, because this deal was ill-contrived, because BMW has chosen the wrong buyer. As could the gentleman responsible in Munich attach a further order of the inability of the lapel.

What do Manor, Campos and Lotus?

With the new teams, there are only question marks. Manor GP appears with his two investors (Virgin Airlines, Lloyds Bank) on the right track. The team is also under protection of the FIA. Engineering boss Nick Wirth is a distant relative of former FIA chief Max Mosley, Virgin boss Richard Branson a buddy of Bernie Ecclestone.

Adrian Campos says it certainly honest, but the problem is money. As can be heard from Spain that is built up in the moment all the funding on a state loan that has not yet been covered by sponsors. Campos may have treated the bond, but at some point he will have to make a decision. Really expensive, it is only when the season begins.

Also you can hear different statements from Lotus. The business of team boss Tony Fernandes has a budget of 66 million euro is still far from secure. His airline Air Asia will take part only with a small sum. The Malaysian government donates verbal support but no money. The oil company Petronas will, despite pressure from the government have nothing to do with Lotus. The project is running late, as well as the wind tunnel can not hide the images on the Internet. When Technical Director Mike Gascoyne to February is a mobile car on the wheels, you must draw from him his hat. The Englishman began in August with a rump force in the design.

USF1 under close surveillance

The biggest laughing stock seems to develop USF1. Despite an FIA rounds, despite photos of production machinery in a factory in Charlotte, despite the persistence of patron slogans Chad Hurley, who has donated 20 million U.S. dollars from his Youtube estate, despite the naive appearance, one could zusammenkaufen Charlotte in the car-racing a race car . In what bad movie, we sit here? One can not escape the impression that here is a group of people has a plan to peddle the nomination for 2010.

We want to insinuate that USF1 nothing wrong. But if the American dream eventually burst like a bubble and are the starting point for sale, it must act in the FIA and Bernie Ecclestone. Would they allow it, that the people behind the project, even enriching, they would have themselves issued an indictment. The association, but Ecclestone had to sell well for months for a fool. In such a case, the solution can only be: The launch site is removed USF1, and all parties are excluded from Formula 1 activities.

Should we take that as an indication as to what next years USF1 car will look like....

In Europe, Anderson and the US F1 team are getting short shrift when it comes to Year I. There seems to be little appreciation for either cost-cutting among the F1 regulars, who vetoed a price cap for 2010, or how much infrastructure exists in the area around Mooresville, N.C., formerly known as the Redneck Riviera and now recognized as Race City USA.

In Mooresville alone, one can find a 40 percent scale model wind tunnel run by Penske Technology Group, a full-scale tunnel purpose-built for NASCAR vehicles at Aerodyn, and Windshear, the only moving ground plane wind tunnel for all full-size vehicles in North America, which was built by Anderson and funded by Haas Automation.

The high tech blowers are just the tip of the iceberg in an era when computer simulations, seven-post shake rigs, kinetics and compliance machines, carbon fiber rear wings, ultra-sophisticated shocks, etc., are standard gear in NASCAR. Theoretically, NASCAR participants have a greater challenge than F1 in getting a far heavier car through corners at higher speeds on less tire and downforce. The key is that stock car racing gets it all done more cheaply.

USF1 were supposed to be creating the "big brother" of F1 on youtube. They promised a dedicated channel where the progress is mapped on youtube.

So far, this is what I can find on their youtube progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTynvakZok

Dude, That is just insulting to the effort that is actually going on.

Funny , yes, but insulting nonetheless.

USF1 were supposed to be creating the "big brother" of F1 on youtube. They promised a dedicated channel where the progress is mapped on youtube.

Maybe they decided they had more important priorities to address first. Like, you know, the whole setting-up-a-Formula-One-team-thing they've got going on.

USF1 will have it's Europe base at Spain's Motorland Aragon facilities.
Autosport

Quite bold, I would say.

Combining sport, technology, leisure and culture, Motorland Aragón is one of three large projects launched in recent months by the government of the province. Entirely devoted to motorsport, this 350-hectare complex will, in particular, feature three international standard tracks (tarmac, dirt and karting), a technology park and a leisure area. Designed by Hermann Tilke in collaboration with Pedro de la Rosa, the 5.345km-long tarmac track is set to be the showpiece of the project.

In a move aimed at promoting this innovative and unique complex - the only one of its kind in Europe - the promoters of Motorland Aragón have decided to associate their image with that of the World Series by Renault for the 2008 and 2009 seasons. The partnership equally involves the organization of two World Series by Renault meetings in 2009 and 2010. Lastly, Renault Sport Technologies will also be able to use the complex for thirty days per year for testing purposes and promotional events.

"The World Series by Renault and Motorland Aragón share the same determination to make motorsport more accessible and fun for all. It therefore makes complete sense for us to welcome this innovative complex among our sponsors", explained José-Louis Lopez, Renault Sport Technologies' Commercial and Motorsport Director. "We also hope that the World Series by Renault will continue to be hosted by the Catalunya track. In 2009, for example, we expect the season to open in Barcelona and finish in Alcañiz."

"We are also excited about the idea of using Motorland Aragón for vehicle development. With eight different tracks and a warm climate, this would make an ideal base for vehicle testing or for the winter collective test sessions."

Any rumours who they're looking to race for them?

I've heard Kyle Busch mentioned

A return to F1 for JPM?

More about this Motor complex.. - I did not know anything about it..


http://wsr.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/05/27...ies-as-of-2009/