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Disgrace
QUOTE (CompositeKen @ Feb 7 2010, 13:40) *
I can't wait to see what kind witch hunt transpires from this post! Screw them--getting the truth out will hopefully create some transparency to their scheme.


While I am always skeptical, I am keeping an open mind so thanks for your post and insight. up.gif

If what you say is absolutely true, USF1 haven't a hope.

Here is another real USF1 employee on Twitter. http://twitter.com/sammyandres

He is the one who actually does the videos we all see!

So you can put forward questions to him as well as Ken here. up.gif
Seanspeed
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Feb 7 2010, 09:01) *
I totally believe this post, its far too detailed to be a made up post

Isn't that the same argument that people use for 'proving' UFO abductions are real? wink.gif
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Feb 7 2010, 09:18) *
Isn't that the same argument that people use for 'proving' UFO abductions are real? wink.gif


Well, last time around what he said was relatively benign and it was enough to freak-out the USF1 believers... I think I'll repeat the same thing I responded at the time; take it on board with the other forum contributions, and see how it stands the smell test when the the real confirmation arrives..

If it's true the folks over there are not paid in time, then I don't see why they should respect their end of the deal (confidentiality).. especially if it's clear that there is a disparity between what Peter Windbag is saying ("We'll be there in Bahrain."), and the truth, which would be that there is no way the car would be ready.
primer
Okay, even though they might 'make the grid' (perhaps FIA will give them an exemption from crash testing) this can hardly be considered a great achievement. They would have jumped from the comforts of a fish bowl straight into the piranha club; to survive they will have to find more sponsors and show improvement on the track. They will be gone or sold to another buyer soon.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (primer @ Feb 7 2010, 09:39) *
Okay, even though they might 'make the grid' (perhaps FIA will give them an exemption from crash testing) this can hardly be considered a great achievement. They would have jumped from the comforts of a fish bowl straight into the piranha club; to survive they will have to find more sponsors and show improvement on the track. They will be gone or sold to another buyer soon.


You're kidding, right?

primer
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 7 2010, 14:44) *
You're kidding, right?


Two tier, no? Add different crash testing 'standards' to tilt level the balance even more. Honestly, I do not want it to happen but if it does it will not surprise me.
Disgrace
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 7 2010, 15:44) *
You're kidding, right?


My thoughts exactly. lol.gif
Mandzipop
QUOTE (primer @ Feb 7 2010, 14:46) *
Two tier, no? Add different crash testing 'standards' to tilt level the balance even more. Honestly, I do not want it to happen but if it does it will not surprise me.


Crash testing is there for a very good reason. Safety. There cant be any exception in that. In fact that is one of the most important things.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (primer @ Feb 7 2010, 09:46) *
Two tier, no? Add different crash testing 'standards' to tilt level the balance even more. Honestly, I do not want it to happen but if it does it will not surprise me.


It feels silly to even argue this...

Why would the FIA compromise itself and shoulder this potentially catastrophic liability? It makes no sense whatsoever..

Anyway, by the sound of it, crash testing is the least of their problem... they could pile on the lard, build a tank, and sail through the tests if need be..
Seanspeed
QUOTE (primer @ Feb 7 2010, 09:46) *
Two tier, no? Add different crash testing 'standards' to tilt level the balance even more. Honestly, I do not want it to happen but if it does it will not surprise me.

There are no 'tiers' in F1. That was an idea for a compromise on the budget cap, which fell through.
MegaManson
QUOTE (primer @ Feb 7 2010, 14:39) *
Okay, even though they might 'make the grid' (perhaps FIA will give them an exemption from crash testing) this can hardly be considered a great achievement. They would have jumped from the comforts of a fish bowl straight into the piranha club; to survive they will have to find more sponsors and show improvement on the track. They will be gone or sold to another buyer soon.


Ridiculous idea

A USF1 car crashes due to failure and there is fatalities be it their driver, other driver, spectators etc it would be one of the biggest lawsuits in history
Heasven
They are suppose to do their final crash test on Feb. 15. If for some reason they don't show up or if they fail the test then and only then I would think they are done. Other than that people are just making stuff up.

And this coming from a Peter Windsor hater who would love to see an American built car back in Formula One.
rmac923
QUOTE (CompositeKen @ Feb 7 2010, 07:40) *
It got hot in the kitchen for a while because of my posts, but the situation is now so chaotic and the lying taking place borders on complete fraud.

The car is easily 2 months away from being complete--and thats if they had the money and manpower to complete it and they gave decision making to the appropriate people.
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.

Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!

The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.

Poor Pechito…he shows up yesterday and there is no tub for him to sit in or to get a seat fitting in. He's told--"thats what happens when the money comes in late"

Like it's his fault…Peter and Ken are perhaps the worst managers F1 has ever seen. Peter and Ken convince themselves that they are brilliant businessmen, when they don't understand the basics of an org chart, chain of command, delegation of responsibility..not a single person knows their role, responsibility or job function and if they are--they aren't allowed to do it. The basics of management require that in order to make people accountable, they must have the authority and the financial ability to make decisions in their area of responsibility---Ken will have none of that!.

Ken makes every decision himself despite being surrounded by real F1 engineering, production and marketing & communications experts that would do a much better job if left to do it. When challenged on any decision or direction, your job is usually threatened or he leaves for Starbucks to avoid the confrontation. We were all told the team had 3 years funding and Ken professed he wanted to be, "the dumbest guy in the room", nothing could be further from the truth…the whole adventure has been built on one lie after another and tightly controlled by Ken and his flavor-of-the-day believers.

When he can't make payroll…he goes to Daytona to try and drum up money from unsuspecting gentleman racers who think they are "investing" in something…the dream has turned into a con job.

We think Bernie is on to them and Hurley must be at this point too. Any reasonable person could see how mis-managed the whole operation is.

Its all so sad--the opportunity lost, the dream investor scammed….. dream to nightmare due to extreme mismanagement and the egos of K & P.

If the cancer were removed, real management and investment installed-we could make a go of it--but not until Spain……at the earliest.

I can't wait to see what kind witch hunt transpires from this post! Screw them--getting the truth out will hopefully create some transparency to their scheme.

Others at the shop are talking too http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/sho...228&page=12


Funny, there's nothing but speculation in the hyperlink posted. lol.gif

I call BS on this being a con job. However, I still admit, it's looking bad, but as long as they do pass their final crash test, they'll be on the grid in some form.
Muzzinho
How is Lopez obtaining a SuperLicense if there is no testing before Bahrain and they use Bahrain as a shakedown?????????????????????

Valles has one already
Mandzipop
QUOTE (Muzzinho @ Feb 7 2010, 15:37) *
How is Lopez obtaining a SuperLicense if there is no testing before Bahrain and they use Bahrain as a shakedown?????????????????????

Valles has one already


Didn't Kimi get a temporary one before he could be granted a full one? Or am I imagining things?
listerine
QUOTE (Muzzinho @ Feb 7 2010, 15:37) *
How is Lopez obtaining a SuperLicense if there is no testing before Bahrain and they use Bahrain as a shakedown?????????????????????

Valles has one already


I don't think Valles has a super licence.

his results are on wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adri%C3%A1n_Vall%C3%A9s
Clatter
QUOTE (primer @ Feb 7 2010, 14:46) *
Two tier, no? Add different crash testing 'standards' to tilt level the balance even more. Honestly, I do not want it to happen but if it does it will not surprise me.


You really have not thought this through. rolleyes.gif
Clatter
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Feb 7 2010, 15:39) *
Didn't Kimi get a temporary one before he could be granted a full one? Or am I imagining things?


There was some doubt over his lack of experience so was given a license, but told the FIA would be keeping an eye on him. If he screwed up they could revoke his license, but then that should apply to all drivers regardless.
glorius&victorius
we are just a bit more than 30 days away from the 1st GP, and USF1 still dont know when they will show their car...
the guys down there must employ some special project planning and management tools
primer
QUOTE (glorius&victorius @ Feb 7 2010, 16:07) *
the guys down there must employ some special project planning and management tools


I think USF1 was only supposed to be an idea, the main goal being to get some publicity for the promoters. Unfortunately for them it has become a reality and now they have to deliver. lol.gif
dajwalia
After following this thread for months, and resisting to post, here I go.

CompositeKen makes interesting points and gives us insight that we might not have as outsiders (if we were to believe that he really is an employee of USF1). Why would one still remain on payroll if you hate the organization so much? Wouldn't you have better things to do if you yourself are well qualified - why work or even take a job in a startup whose base was shaky and it wasn't a secret.

Another thing is I take pride in what I do and even though I might disagree with my management and employers at times, badmouthing them in front of the world would be the last thing on my mind.

My point is just that we should take what "the insider" says with a pinch of salt. Though I honestly think that despite support from Racecar engineering and friendly reporting from friends Varsha and Matchett, there are no further news on the shakedown of the chassis and the unpaid bills might still be an issue since Windosr confirmed with Autosport that due to a sponsor late on payment they faced some resistance to meet timelines. We will find out in 4 weeks smile.gif

I am a supporter and want to see them succeed and that might make my opinion a bit biased.
WebBerK
QUOTE (dajwalia @ Feb 7 2010, 14:21) *
Why would one still remain on payroll if you hate the organization so much? Wouldn't you have better things to do if you yourself are well qualified - why work or even take a job in a startup whose base was shaky and it wasn't a secret.

Because... we are in a recession and the guy has bills to pay confused.gif
Mandzipop
I'm suprised that nobody has picked up on this yet.

# @Chad_Hurley hi chad, when will we see the new usf1 car? any comments on that? 3:05 PM Jan 26th from Seesmic in reply to Chad_Hurley

# @sam_piroton Good question! It's crunch time for Ken and company. 3:23 AM Jan 27th from web in reply to sam_piroton

listerine
another set of tweets:

QUOTE
Thank you...Exactly what I was hoping for. Also, I'm excited to see USF1 this year. Are you still involved? @Chad_Hurley 5:12 PM Jan 26th from Echofon


QUOTE
# @JordanMCallaway Yup, gave them some initial capital to get things started. We'll see what they can do! 3:26 AM Jan 27th from web in reply to JordanMCallaway


Compare that attitude to Chad's bit on the USF1 Website. http://www.usgpe.com/chad-hurley.html

QUOTE
Hurley, co-founder and CEO of YouTube, brings to US F1 Team a high level of entrepreneurial ingenuity and a unique outlook on social media and the latest Internet marketing trends. Hurley is committed to the financial success of US F1 and will continue to take an active role in sponsorship procurement and activation, external communications activities and enhancing exposure for US F1 Team through a variety of media-focused initiatives and campaigns. Hurley, who got his start in eBay’s PayPal division before co-founding YouTube, provides corporate strategy and visionary expertise to US F1.
bertrand
CompositeKen: act like a man and quit. You're happy to take those checks and cash them, then you turn around and badmouth the company in public. That makes you a hypocrite.
primer
QUOTE (dajwalia @ Feb 7 2010, 16:21) *
I am a supporter and want to see them succeed and that might make my opinion a bit biased.


That's reasonable, and my own opinion of USF1 is not in any way influenced by surreptitious accounts of fake employees, rather the information that has been (and has not been) released by the team.
farruquito
QUOTE (bertrand @ Feb 7 2010, 18:34) *
CompositeKen: act like a man and quit. You're happy to take those checks and cash them, then you turn around and badmouth the company in public. That makes you a hypocrite.



When I read your post before you edited it I found it "interesting" that you created an account only to reply CompositeKen words...fortunately I must give thanks to Google Chrome to store the previous version and click this thread in the short time before he edited the original message...



For me seems like bertrand is another employee at USF1 and CompositeKen is telling the truth. Now I feel more frustrated at how serious projects as Prodrive, Epsilon or Stefan weren't selected and USF1 and Campos were...22 cars in Bahrein.

Silver Surfer
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Feb 7 2010, 06:01) *
Hurley should take over the whole operation, sack Anderson and Windsor and bring in some professionals

I totally believe this post, its far too detailed to be a made up post



I hope it is a real employee saying these things, otherwise it is speculative slander. How many "Ken's" work at USF1? It won't be hard to track down CompositeKen if that is his real name? How about posting up your late payroll check with your name and numbers blanked out CompositeKen? That would provide proof to people on this board that you are legit, and not simply trying to stir up shite. I hope that USF1 makes Bahrain, but all the signs seem to make that unlikely at best. Perhaps we will have to suffer Windsor slobbing on Lewis's knob on the pit walk after all this season?? kiss.gif
Silver Surfer
QUOTE (farruquito @ Feb 7 2010, 10:16) *
When I read your post before you edited it I found it "interesting" that you created an account only to reply CompositeKen words...fortunately I must give thanks to Google Chrome to store the previous version and click this thread in the short time before he edited the original message...



For me seems like bertrand is another employee at USF1 and CompositeKen is telling the truth. Now I feel more frustrated at how serious projects as Prodrive, Epsilon or Stefan weren't selected and USF1 and Campos were...22 cars in Bahrein.


Google Chrome to the rescue!! LOL!! clap.gif It does seem like these guys work for USF1....yikes.... frown.gif
luskiiimj
So, let me get this straight..........
1. CK slams USF1
2. they are not happy (hot in kitchen)
3. so he doesn't post until it is safe again
4. Now it is safe again because it is "so chaotic"
5. Yet "there is little to work on" and 2/3 staff come in "semi-regularly"

So is it chaotic or is there nothing to do?

Also, good points Dajwalia. up.gif

Docc
So..

Composite Ken has accused Windsor..Anderson and more of a massive criminal conspiracy.. Duping investors/sponsors..conspiring with "friends" in the motoring press to further these fraud..

"Getting hot in the kitchen"..really ?
I am certain your IP is logged..and your "honest" statements are easily confirmed. Otherwise I would guess these are quite slanderous statements.

Racecar Engineering..Autosport..all the motoring press seem to be either idiots..or complicit in this massive fraud...
And we have the word of..or the post of at least..an anonymous new member to dam the rest of the motoring press..and of course the alleged scammers at US F1...

I think I can wait a bit to see the what transpires..as there seems no benefit to me to extrapolate..

Soon enough..
BiH
lol maybe stefanovic grand prix hired him to stir things up.
peroa
QUOTE (Docc @ Feb 7 2010, 19:31) *
So..

Composite Ken has accused Windsor..Anderson and more of a massive criminal conspiracy.. Duping investors/sponsors..conspiring with "friends" in the motoring press to further these fraud..

"Getting hot in the kitchen"..really ?
I am certain your IP is logged..and your "honest" statements are easily confirmed. Otherwise I would guess these are quite slanderous statements.

Racecar Engineering..Autosport..all the motoring press seem to be either idiots..or complicit in this massive fraud...
And we have the word of..or the post of at least..an anonymous new member to dam the rest of the motoring press..and of course the alleged scammers at US F1...

I think I can wait a bit to see the what transpires..as there seems no benefit to me to extrapolate..

Soon enough..


Sums it up quite well. At least Bernie doesn't fall for it. wave.gif
MinT
Cant believe this charade is still going on.

One look at the first video was enough to realise it was all a silly dream....
luskiiimj
I'll say this: If it turns out that CompKen is legit, and these guys have been lying this whole time (or as stupid as he says they are), I will officially join the PW haters group. I'll even throw in a Varsha for free. Speaking of Varsha, Hobbs, and Matchett, I know Matchett interviewed PW earlier than Varsha, did Hobbs ever give his tacit approval to the team? I don't think he did.
Disgrace
QUOTE (farruquito @ Feb 7 2010, 19:16) *
For me seems like bertrand is another employee at USF1 and CompositeKen is telling the truth.


Top job. up.gif
wdh
QUOTE (bertrand @ Feb 7 2010, 17:34) *
CompositeKen: act like a man and quit. You're happy to take those checks and cash them, then you turn around and badmouth the company in public. That makes you a hypocrite.

Posting this stuff to make yourself look important on an internet forum is hurting the chances of your coworkers getting the rest of the money they are owed, and their chances to remain employed in the future. Some of those coworkers have families, kids, and unpaid bills. Some of those coworkers believe this project can still pull through. If you don't, that's fair enough, but then you should get out. Or if you don't want to quit because times are tough, that's fair enough too, but then you should shut your mouth.


First off, Farruquito, new poster though he be, does actually have a true 'first draft' of Bertrand's post.

I saw it myself, skim read it, thought 'USF1-fanboi', and passed very swiftly on. I didn't take it seriously at first sight.

Anyway, I have just fished it out of my Firefox's browsing history.
That is indeed the way it was before it was edited.




To me, reading it more carefully now, the biggie that was edited out is the ending "Some of those coworkers believe this project can still pull through. If you don't, that's fair enough, but then you should get out. Or if you don't want to quit because times are tough, that's fair enough too, but then you should shut your mouth."
That last sentence is very unlikely to have been put in and then edited out by mere supporter.


I still think that the ORIGINAL post might have just been a supporter.
Or even CompositeKen with a new identity giving himself more credibility with a fake "think of your co-workers" angle.

BUT its the editing of the post, toning it down rather than bigging it up, that makes me think these two guys really must be players.
Think about it.
A fanboi wouldn't edit it that way. And sorry, CompositeKen I don't think you are subtle enough to tone down an attack against your other persona.
So, all that's left, I think, is that they are pukka.
eek.gif

Time to lay in a stock of popcorn ...


@ bertrand : Do you think Bahrain is on? How about "testing in February"? Or do you think Spain, if everyone pulls together?
PayasYouRace
Looks like the whole USF1 saga has a new plot twist, or does it? If things were nearly as bad as CompositeKen says they are, don't you think this would be bigger news? After all, wouldn't Cosworth be able to shed some light on the engine situation?

That post displays all the hallmarks of a typical "stirring things up" type of internet forum post. I can't dismiss it out of hand, but there's no real evidence either way at the moment.
Pharazon
wow...

this has really gotta suck for Prodrive and Epsilon who were denied entries to give this bullshit a chance...

usf1...

what a waste of time
Xaus
Call me a cynic but I'll wait until Bahrain to see if CompositeKen is just an elaborate troll or not. It's definitely getting late for USF1 (and Campos) but this /is/ the internet lest we forget... tongue.gif
rmac923
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 7 2010, 14:06) *
First off, Farruquito, new poster though he be, does actually have a true 'first draft' of Bertrand's post.

I saw it myself, skim read it, thought 'USF1-fanboi', and passed very swiftly on. I didn't take it seriously at first sight.

Anyway, I have just fished it out of my Firefox's browsing history.
That is indeed the way it was before it was edited.




To me, reading it more carefully now, the biggie that was edited out is the ending "Some of those coworkers believe this project can still pull through. If you don't, that's fair enough, but then you should get out. Or if you don't want to quit because times are tough, that's fair enough too, but then you should shut your mouth."
That last sentence is very unlikely to have been put in and then edited out by mere supporter.


I still think that the ORIGINAL post might have just been a supporter.
Or even CompositeKen with a new identity giving himself more credibility with a fake "think of your co-workers" angle.

BUT its the editing of the post, toning it down rather than bigging it up, that makes me think these two guys really must be players.
Think about it.
A fanboi wouldn't edit it that way. And sorry, CompositeKen I don't think you are subtle enough to tone down an attack against your other persona.
So, all that's left, I think, is that they are pukka.
eek.gif

Time to lay in a stock of popcorn ...


@ bertrand : Do you think Bahrain is on? How about "testing in February"? Or do you think Spain, if everyone pulls together?


It's certainly a strange edit...

ambivalent.gif

For the first time (in this whole topic), I'm truly at a loss of words.

I want to say, this is trolling, but...


EDIT: For now, I'm gonna say this is elaborate trolling, however if this "CompositeKen" is legit, trust me, I'll be ready to rant on this whole situation, and how it basically kills US involvement in F1 for at least a decade.
Alfisti
I think they are late at best, possibly in trouble but seriously doubt our little friend is an employee.
primer
QUOTE (Pharazon @ Feb 7 2010, 19:20) *
this has really gotta suck for Prodrive and Epsilon who were denied entries to give this bullshit a chance...


They are quite fortunate that they were denied, otherwise they would not necessarily have done any better than USF1. ohwell.gif
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (Docc @ Feb 7 2010, 14:48) *
Again..if true..

Law suits from investors..sponsors..Bernie (if money went to USF1)..suppliers unpaid..the Argentine president..Lopez backers...criminal fraud charges for the perps...

Varsha..Racecar Engineering..Autosport...et al..duped badly by Windsor and Anderson...

And the turth be exposed by an anonymous poster on ONE FORUM...

Should be an interesting few weeks..

And now Bernie states team can miss three races..

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=39908


Aren't you quite stretching it, but it in the other direction? The guy says almost con job with the tip of his tongue and you take that and go totally overboard with it... rolleyes.gif

Nothing seems too much out of the ordinary.. if true..

Just another failed race team attempt, with the usual unpaid bills, lies and random ugliness..
glorius&victorius
QUOTE (dajwalia @ Feb 7 2010, 16:21) *
Though I honestly think that despite support from Racecar engineering and friendly reporting from friends Varsha and Matchett, there are no further news on the shakedown of the chassis and the unpaid bills might still be an issue since Windosr confirmed with Autosport that due to a sponsor late on payment they faced some resistance to meet timelines. We will find out in 4 weeks smile.gif


sponsor late on payment... sounds like some government bureaucrats not moving fast enough to transfer the bucks to windsor... 4 weeks to go... i wonder if he's still smiling as if he's going to emulate the great F1 teams
ezequiel
February 20th-25th is the week we should have in mind. If there is no testing at that time for them, then let's see what's their explanation.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (ezequiel @ Feb 7 2010, 16:37) *
February 20th-25th is the week we should have in mind. If there is no testing at that time for them, then let's see what's their explanation.


Any news on Lopez and his seat fitting? That would make a nice USF1 video..
SchumiBoy
QUOTE (ezequiel @ Feb 7 2010, 21:37) *
February 20th-25th is the week we should have in mind. If there is no testing at that time for them, then let's see what's their explanation.


That's the week StefanGP have booked for a test and they don't even have an entry.

USF1 should be able to show "something" already. All other teams have complete cars at this time.
Where is the tub, why don't they have seat fitting pictures, crash tests etc.

The team that was all about openness and even reality-tv is the quietest of them all. That can't be a good sign
Docc
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 7 2010, 14:00) *
Aren't you quite stretching it, but it in the other direction? The guy says almost con job with the tip of his tongue and you take that and go totally overboard with it... rolleyes.gif

Nothing seems too much out of the ordinary.. if true..

Just another failed race team attempt, with the usual unpaid bills, lies and random ugliness..


Hmmm

First sentence..
"It got hot in the kitchen for a while because of my posts, but the situation is now so chaotic and the lying taking place borders on complete fraud."

"Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on."

Failure to make payroll is a legal issue..also unpaid payroll taxes then also. No payment no taxes with held

"When he can't make payroll…he goes to Daytona to try and drum up money from unsuspecting gentleman racers who think they are "investing" in something…the dream has turned into a con job."

Seems clear..stating that this is a Ponzi type scam allegation..illegal here..and I guess most countries.. Lying to potential "gentleman racers" or any non-gentleman..non-racer to invest is criminal and knowledge of such is criminal if not brought to the attention of authorities. If you KNOW OF A CRIMINAL FRAUD and do nothing about that..except post in one relatively remote board..you are a allowing a known crime to prosper..
Composite or not..he may be a co-conspiritor.

If this is "Nothing seems too much out of the ordinary.. if true..

Just another failed race team attempt, with the usual unpaid bills, lies and random ugliness.."

Then F1 is fraught with fraud..lies and liars..using deception to gain fortune..?

Seems sad for the alleged "Pinnacle Of Racing" to be thought of as such a shady shitbox...

But perhaps I am not as informed as some here about the nature of F1 business....

If this person knows this to be fact..

Shut them down now with a few well placed calls....and

Oh yeah..evidence..
Disgrace
Hehe, speculation is so intense, perhaps the team is worse than Lola.

Maybe it's... Andrea Moda!
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