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Hhmm, even in french it looks badly translated.. I wonder who is at the origin of that story?
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Hhmm, even in french it looks badly translated.. I wonder who is at the origin of that story?
It's a bit pointless to search through old photos to try to determine how many tubs one can spot. We can assume just from the rumors that they've built at least four - one mockup and three crash test victims. That means they would still need at least four more, preferably five, to go racing. Two for the FIA crash tests, two to race, and one spare.
I don't think anyone can tell from these photos that they've built eight or nine tubs. Even if all the FIA tests are done on a single tub, which could be used by the team afterwards assuming the tests are successful, that still means they'd have to have build six or seven total.
Oh, and I haven't even considered the rear crash test. Have we heard anything about that?
I don't think anyone can tell from these photos that they've built eight or nine tubs. Even if all the FIA tests are done on a single tub, which could be used by the team afterwards assuming the tests are successful, that still means they'd have to have build six or seven total.
Oh, and I haven't even considered the rear crash test. Have we heard anything about that?
QUOTE (FenderJaguar @ Feb 8 2010, 09:48)
It sure seems that USF1 has problems.
But "Composite Ken" is someone's joke. A fabricated story from someone who loves the attention and to sit and make things up.
But "Composite Ken" is someone's joke. A fabricated story from someone who loves the attention and to sit and make things up.
I agree with that. USF1 problems appear to be financial , there is no credible source to indicate that their issues are related to poor mgmt. I was actually chatting with some people from SpeedTV during the daytona rolex weekend (they were on live chat) and one of them was delighted to have received a phone call from one of the reps at USF1 about a job application he'd submitted.
like I said earlier if you knew ken A. Was a failure and a lousy manager why would you take a job to go and work for him knowing that he would be the head of the technical operations. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 8 2010, 10:15)
Hhmm, even in french it looks badly translated.. I wonder who is at the origin of that story?
My French is really bad mind you, but that site says Kimi to MGP to replace MS if he fails? He has a pre-contract? And the RB6 is not a revolution compared to the RB5? -- The later could make sense, they had an awesome car in the RB5, so just improve that.
QUOTE (pup @ Feb 8 2010, 10:19)
It's a bit pointless to search through old photos to try to determine how many tubs one can spot. We can assume just from the rumors that they've built at least four - one mockup and three crash test victims. That means they would still need at least four more, preferably five, to go racing. Two for the FIA crash tests, two to race, and one spare.
I don't think anyone can tell from these photos that they've built eight or nine tubs. Even if all the FIA tests are done on a single tub, which could be used by the team afterwards assuming the tests are successful, that still means they'd have to have build six or seven total.
Oh, and I haven't even considered the rear crash test. Have we heard anything about that?
I don't think anyone can tell from these photos that they've built eight or nine tubs. Even if all the FIA tests are done on a single tub, which could be used by the team afterwards assuming the tests are successful, that still means they'd have to have build six or seven total.
Oh, and I haven't even considered the rear crash test. Have we heard anything about that?
My point was that they can build them, but according to CK that is not the case. Also note in the background of the picture you see what I am guessing is the true mockup tub, notice the keel on it, it matches the old press photo.
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 8 2010, 11:30)
My point was that they can build them, but according to CK that is not the case. Also note in the background of the picture you see what I am guessing is the true mockup tub, notice the keel on it, it matches the old press photo.
How can you be sure that's what he's saying?
You guys have settled on this narrow definition of a tub while it's unclear what is actually being said...
The point is a fully rigged tub surely means more than two halves bonded together, depending on the context... is CK talking about missing drawings and tooling to build a fully rigged tub, yet only calling it 'tub'?
Was Pechito without the fully rigged tub he needed to have a proper seat fitting? Yet CK simply said just 'tub' again when he talked about that?
Am I being thick here or something?
As a matter of interest, in the past, have any new teams failed to turn up on the grid before they've even raced their fist race? (Apart from Prodrive)
Indeed, we can't have this continually going on...
Hi, (new member but been tracking this forum for a while... I'm also a member at F1 Rejects and they and F1Technical are picking up on the whole CompositeKen thing here too...)
Can someone who might have a clearer idea compile a list of things we KNOW USF1 have either completed, or have the propensity to have something finished soon (ie. the next two weeks)
As far as I can see, they have:
At least 1 TUB
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this)
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?)
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...)
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced...
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests)
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works...
We can't see any bodywork or suspension parts yet, so all we have seen is a monocoque, with some (possibly) mockup internals, some electrics, no wings... either they are keeping this quiet to stop us from talking (which is having the reverse effect), they are actually doing ok and just saving 'releasing' various parts for their quite open and interesting videos (undated however), or they just don't have anything and are in real dire straits...
Rather than speculating I just would like to know what they DO have, and how this helps them (as I would like to see them on the grid in Bahrain...)
Can someone who might have a clearer idea compile a list of things we KNOW USF1 have either completed, or have the propensity to have something finished soon (ie. the next two weeks)
As far as I can see, they have:
At least 1 TUB
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this)
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?)
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...)
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced...
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests)
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works...
We can't see any bodywork or suspension parts yet, so all we have seen is a monocoque, with some (possibly) mockup internals, some electrics, no wings... either they are keeping this quiet to stop us from talking (which is having the reverse effect), they are actually doing ok and just saving 'releasing' various parts for their quite open and interesting videos (undated however), or they just don't have anything and are in real dire straits...
Rather than speculating I just would like to know what they DO have, and how this helps them (as I would like to see them on the grid in Bahrain...)
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Feb 8 2010, 16:46)
As a matter of interest, in the past, have any new teams failed to turn up on the grid before they've even raced their fist race? (Apart from Prodrive)
There was a still-born team called FIRST that entered the 1989 championship but failed to materialise. I think this vehicle eventually became the horrendous Life project IIRC.
There was also an abortive Reynard entry scheduled for 1992. This car (designed but never built) became the basis of Pacific's '94 entry.
DAMS worked on an F1 car for '96 (or maybe '97) and even had Erik Comas testing the thing on a few occasions, but I'm not sure they ever got as far as lodging an actual entry. This was in the days before the $48mn bond, though, so they might have done.
The Japanese company Dome also tested an F1 car for either '96 or '97 (again, I forget which) and, just like DAMS, decided not to go ahead in the end.
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 8 2010, 16:23)
OK, but AFTER having had it prefitted to the actual tub...
It's not like they just design from a void.
It was you who earlier this morning stated that a F1 tub was not made up of two halves at all... And where does it say that it was in pieces on the floor one week ahead of crash testing?
I don't personally know if USF1 have a different "crash tub" or how long before crash testing it needs to be bonded or curing time. My point was just that some seemed to base their argument about the "video tub" being a mock up on the grounds of it consisting of two halves.
It's not like they just design from a void.It was you who earlier this morning stated that a F1 tub was not made up of two halves at all... And where does it say that it was in pieces on the floor one week ahead of crash testing?
I don't personally know if USF1 have a different "crash tub" or how long before crash testing it needs to be bonded or curing time. My point was just that some seemed to base their argument about the "video tub" being a mock up on the grounds of it consisting of two halves.
Ummm from the post I quoted dated which in turn was quoting an articled published Feb 7th maybe?
http://www.corsaonline.com.ar/2010/02/07/N...a-que-lindo.php
AFAIK USF1 is supposed to be crash-testing in Feb 15th right? I mean that's what people have been saying ... well a week (ok 8 days) before that deadline lopez is visiting the factory with a tub sprawled on the floor in two pieces.
And the point I was making was that you bond CF pretty quickly after production, you don't leave it hanging around on the shop floor with random electricians fitting wiring looms and journos taking publicity photos. Dust you know ... CF doesn't like it much. Fact they have their tub in bits to me suggests it's a mock up. To you it means other things, fine, but don't get so defensive.
Ah thanks. So this situation of new teams struggling to get on the grid isn't a new situation at all.
If that's the case, I wonder who the plans for these cars will go to if they can't get on the grid?
If that's the case, I wonder who the plans for these cars will go to if they can't get on the grid?
It seems to me that IF Compost Kenny is a troll then alot of us are falling into just what he is after. Before we argue amongst the general population here I think Ken has some 'splainin ta do! Let me first make it clear. I do NOT build racecars. I DO however work for a company that has MANY of the same manufacturing processes. Also the same political BS. I do work for a larger company than what I imagine USGPE is. There are so many things behind the scenes that the general public knows nothing about but that would both interest us and verify employment later on. So I'm calling out composite-Ken.
Not asking for anything proprietary here ie sponsors or such. Give us something that the inside employee knows all around the shop that we do not know yet but will find out soon.Instead of popping in and stirring up the pot how bout u inform us of something positive. After all you did approach them for employment. There must have been something good.
Not asking for anything proprietary here ie sponsors or such. Give us something that the inside employee knows all around the shop that we do not know yet but will find out soon.Instead of popping in and stirring up the pot how bout u inform us of something positive. After all you did approach them for employment. There must have been something good.
QUOTE (Redstorm @ Feb 8 2010, 12:01)
It seems to me that IF Compost Kenny is a troll then alot of us are falling into just what he is after. Before we argue amongst the general population here I think Ken has some 'splainin ta do! Let me first make it clear. I do NOT build racecars. I DO however work for a company that has MANY of the same manufacturing processes. Also the same political BS. I do work for a larger company than what I imagine USGPE is. There are so many things behind the scenes that the general public knows nothing about but that would both interest us and verify employment later on. So I'm calling out composite-Ken.
Not asking for anything proprietary here ie sponsors or such. Give us something that the inside employee knows all around the shop that we do not know yet but will find out soon.Instead of popping in and stirring up the pot how bout u inform us of something positive. After all you did approach them for employment. There must have been something good.
Not asking for anything proprietary here ie sponsors or such. Give us something that the inside employee knows all around the shop that we do not know yet but will find out soon.Instead of popping in and stirring up the pot how bout u inform us of something positive. After all you did approach them for employment. There must have been something good.
So, you already knew beforehand about the payroll thing, the money amount owed to Cosworth, the 'weeks' needed before FIA testing and 'months' away from a complete car, etc?
I'd say there's enough there to judge his credibility, eventually..
Payroll issue=hearsay by only him and the sudden appearance of a mysterious poster who "verified" his claims.
Engines= how many times have I read "where are the engines, do they have them, can they pay?"
finished chassis= everyone is bantering over the videos. I'm not naive to say they are done and ready to go but in all seriousness, did anyone believe they would post up to date video of their car before any other was ever unvailed? They are no Ferrari but come on. They will keep whatever "special feature" hidden till the last minute. We all saw the Valencia diffusers but it didn't mean the cars flaunted them.
We can all see they need time and money! Still see nothing we didn't already put together on our own.
But as u say, find out soon enough....touché
Engines= how many times have I read "where are the engines, do they have them, can they pay?"
finished chassis= everyone is bantering over the videos. I'm not naive to say they are done and ready to go but in all seriousness, did anyone believe they would post up to date video of their car before any other was ever unvailed? They are no Ferrari but come on. They will keep whatever "special feature" hidden till the last minute. We all saw the Valencia diffusers but it didn't mean the cars flaunted them.
We can all see they need time and money! Still see nothing we didn't already put together on our own.
But as u say, find out soon enough....touché
There must be quite a few people around knowing wether Cosworth has delivered engines to USF1 or not, right?
What happened to that ex-Cosworth man, Ferguson, who were to work for the team as a consultant, anyway?
Raz
What happened to that ex-Cosworth man, Ferguson, who were to work for the team as a consultant, anyway?
Raz
The thing is... why should the guy be held to higher scrutiny than the team boss himself?
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10320.html
I guess that would include CompositeKen if he's legit.
I mean, I understand it might have been a bumpier road than expected after that January 8th interview... but hell.. how much bumpier is allowed before filing the whole thing into the BS folder? (and starting to listen to the 'trolls'?)
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10320.html
QUOTE
Q: There have been suggestions that the team won’t make it on to the Bahrain grid. What is your reply to those rumours?
PW: The thought is ludicrous. I can’t say any more than that we will definitely be on the Bahrain grid.
PW: The thought is ludicrous. I can’t say any more than that we will definitely be on the Bahrain grid.
QUOTE
Q: There hasn’t been a single announcement about drivers though, which stirs up rumours, especially as some may say the best drivers have already been snapped up by your rivals. When will you announce your line-up? Do you have drivers already in mind or is it still an open issue?
PW: We are very close to announcing our drivers.
PW: We have not signed our forward deals yet in terms of the contracts, but we are pretty near to announcing.
PW: We are very close to announcing our drivers.
PW: We have not signed our forward deals yet in terms of the contracts, but we are pretty near to announcing.
QUOTE
PW: There is no way that we would sign a driver unless we felt confident that he could do an excellent job. That goes for everybody in the team. Everybody here is first class at what he does. Ken and I have said from day one that our mantra will be to have the least possible number of the best possible people. That is what the team is all about and that goes for the drivers as well. There’s no way we would sign a guy unless we believe in his talent 100 percent.
I guess that would include CompositeKen if he's legit.
QUOTE
Q: Most of the teams will be present at the first test at the beginning of February in Valencia, with the exception of some of the newcomers. When and where will you hit the track for the first time?
PW: The first thing that needs to be said is that if this was 2011 and we were an existing team we would be at the first test. But because we are a new team and started from nothing, the first time we will run the car will be in the United States at the Barber Motorsport Park in Alabama. This is the circuit that was nominated by the FIA for us. We’ve got this dispensation from the FIA, which is fantastic, because we are not based in Europe. We are the only team that has a test circuit outside Europe, so it is totally logic for us to run the car for the first time in the US at the beginning of February. We are allowed three sessions in the US. Then we will ship it to Spain to do some testing there before we fly out to Bahrain.
PW: The first thing that needs to be said is that if this was 2011 and we were an existing team we would be at the first test. But because we are a new team and started from nothing, the first time we will run the car will be in the United States at the Barber Motorsport Park in Alabama. This is the circuit that was nominated by the FIA for us. We’ve got this dispensation from the FIA, which is fantastic, because we are not based in Europe. We are the only team that has a test circuit outside Europe, so it is totally logic for us to run the car for the first time in the US at the beginning of February. We are allowed three sessions in the US. Then we will ship it to Spain to do some testing there before we fly out to Bahrain.
I mean, I understand it might have been a bumpier road than expected after that January 8th interview... but hell.. how much bumpier is allowed before filing the whole thing into the BS folder? (and starting to listen to the 'trolls'?)
As an American I hope they survive. Not for PW or KA sake but for F1 in the states. If composite-Ken is legit them I can move on from the chances of a race back here anytime soon. If they fail it will just verify the perception of the snobby and snooty F1 circus with the general public. Even though it would be squarely USF1s failing Bernies constant smackdowns don't help at all. F1 in Vegas? Ha!!! New York? Ha!!! Cali? Nope. I see only a fix of IMS as a solution. The reason for it's failing was ACCESSABILITY! The very promise of the USF1 project. Openess. The Michelin farce must be fixed first. NASCAR has taken over because of openess. If UPF1 can keep the wheels on and do only a fraction of what was promised there is a basis for improvement of the F1 image in the states. As a fan I can only see F1 as stronger with US backing. I hope they make it not just so THAT team succeeds but so the sport here does. I have been a fan without a US team so far and I will be without one. I would just like for someone other than my father to know what I'm talking about when I say Williams or Mclaren.
According to the USF1 website KA is CEO of the outfit, why he and not PW should be the man up for scrutiny, but that guy's Cv is most suspect to put it mildly, at least when it comes to F1 experiences.
Yes PW should be held to tough questions. Only issue is it seems that everyone else at FOM except Bernie understands that ANY of the new teams failing ultimately reflect badly on the FOM, FIA, and F1 in general. Here in the states ENRON was it's own failing but it created suspicious glances to similar companies.
If USF1 are about to collapse can Bernie and the FIA not pull their spot and gift Stephan GP? With the revalation of the three race free pass in the Concorde Agreement I assume they would miss four races then have the plug pulled???
If USF1 are about to collapse can Bernie and the FIA not pull their spot and gift Stephan GP? With the revalation of the three race free pass in the Concorde Agreement I assume they would miss four races then have the plug pulled???
Wait a minute...
According to the article below, the head of the "Composite" Dept. at USF1 is named "Kevin"
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
Then a newly created account under the name of "CompositeKen" posts all sorts of "inside" info trashing USF1.
And we believe this?
Head "Composites" @ USF1 named "Kevin" ...forum account suposed "insider" named "CompositeKen".
That would just be too obvious, unless he want to get caught...
...not to say I do believe USF1 has 99% chances of not showing up in Barhain!
According to the article below, the head of the "Composite" Dept. at USF1 is named "Kevin"
QUOTE (SpeedTV)
The team members, some of them recently hired, are working flat out in all departments, especially in the composite shop. The man in charge of composites, Kevin Bialas, is composed and relaxed. But his staff has a backlog of lay-up work to do.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
Then a newly created account under the name of "CompositeKen" posts all sorts of "inside" info trashing USF1.
And we believe this?
Head "Composites" @ USF1 named "Kevin" ...forum account suposed "insider" named "CompositeKen".
That would just be too obvious, unless he want to get caught...
...not to say I do believe USF1 has 99% chances of not showing up in Barhain!
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Feb 8 2010, 16:53)
Hi, (new member but been tracking this forum for a while... I'm also a member at F1 Rejects and they and F1Technical are picking up on the whole CompositeKen thing here too...)
Can someone who might have a clearer idea compile a list of things we KNOW USF1 have either completed, or have the propensity to have something finished soon (ie. the next two weeks)
As far as I can see, they have:
At least 1 TUB
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this)
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?)
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...)
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced...
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests)
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works...
We can't see any bodywork or suspension parts yet, so all we have seen is a monocoque, with some (possibly) mockup internals, some electrics, no wings... either they are keeping this quiet to stop us from talking (which is having the reverse effect), they are actually doing ok and just saving 'releasing' various parts for their quite open and interesting videos (undated however), or they just don't have anything and are in real dire straits...
Rather than speculating I just would like to know what they DO have, and how this helps them (as I would like to see them on the grid in Bahrain...)
Can someone who might have a clearer idea compile a list of things we KNOW USF1 have either completed, or have the propensity to have something finished soon (ie. the next two weeks)
As far as I can see, they have:
At least 1 TUB
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this)
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?)
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...)
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced...
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests)
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works...
We can't see any bodywork or suspension parts yet, so all we have seen is a monocoque, with some (possibly) mockup internals, some electrics, no wings... either they are keeping this quiet to stop us from talking (which is having the reverse effect), they are actually doing ok and just saving 'releasing' various parts for their quite open and interesting videos (undated however), or they just don't have anything and are in real dire straits...
Rather than speculating I just would like to know what they DO have, and how this helps them (as I would like to see them on the grid in Bahrain...)
Hi DanardiF1, welcome to the forum.
I don't usually lie to answer posts in this style but it seems the most logical way to go this time. If this comes accross as overly brusque I apoligise. It is not my intension.
At least 1 TUB more accurately, they have parts for a tub. At the very least it needs to be bonded together. (not a trivial process, needing another cook in the autoclave and possibly a jig to hold it square.)
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this) I agree
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?) yup
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...) I don't think the gearbox matches the cad drawings, the drawings show vertical rockers, but the G/B we have seen has posts for horizontal rockers
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced... yes
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests) at least three, you can see some in progress in the background of the latest pic of Lopez at the factory
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works... I would imagine that they could have them if they wanted them. A set of tyres is not a big ticket item and (Ferrari?) had a prototype set months ago.
QUOTE (Rafo @ Feb 8 2010, 18:12)
Wait a minute...
According to the article below, the head of the "Composite" Dept. at USF1 is named "Kevin"
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
Then a newly created account under the name of "CompositeKen" posts all sorts of "inside" info trashing USF1.
And we believe this?
According to the article below, the head of the "Composite" Dept. at USF1 is named "Kevin"
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
Then a newly created account under the name of "CompositeKen" posts all sorts of "inside" info trashing USF1.
And we believe this?
Personally I don't.
It's a fit up, pure and simple.
Quite a clever fit up I reckon, but the name is too similar.
QUOTE (Redstorm @ Feb 8 2010, 13:11)
Yes PW should be held to tough questions. Only issue is it seems that everyone else at FOM except Bernie understands that ANY of the new teams failing ultimately reflect badly on the FOM, FIA, and F1 in general. Here in the states ENRON was it's own failing but it created suspicious glances to similar companies.
If USF1 are about to collapse can Bernie and the FIA not pull their spot and gift Stephan GP? With the revalation of the three race free pass in the Concorde Agreement I assume they would miss four races then have the plug pulled???
If USF1 are about to collapse can Bernie and the FIA not pull their spot and gift Stephan GP? With the revalation of the three race free pass in the Concorde Agreement I assume they would miss four races then have the plug pulled???
My impression always has been that Bernie from the very beginning would have liked them to fold before the start of the season.
..and it might be something that has been dragging on for quite some time
Skeletons
guess who is the journo with a slight limp?
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/24/usf1...rabham-f1-team/
QUOTE (engel @ Feb 8 2010, 17:56)
Ummm from the post I quoted dated which in turn was quoting an articled published Feb 7th maybe?
http://www.corsaonline.com.ar/2010/02/07/N...a-que-lindo.php
AFAIK USF1 is supposed to be crash-testing in Feb 15th right? I mean that's what people have been saying ... well a week (ok 8 days) before that deadline lopez is visiting the factory with a tub sprawled on the floor in two pieces.
And the point I was making was that you bond CF pretty quickly after production, you don't leave it hanging around on the shop floor with random electricians fitting wiring looms and journos taking publicity photos. Dust you know ... CF doesn't like it much. Fact they have their tub in bits to me suggests it's a mock up. To you it means other things, fine, but don't get so defensive.
http://www.corsaonline.com.ar/2010/02/07/N...a-que-lindo.php
AFAIK USF1 is supposed to be crash-testing in Feb 15th right? I mean that's what people have been saying ... well a week (ok 8 days) before that deadline lopez is visiting the factory with a tub sprawled on the floor in two pieces.
And the point I was making was that you bond CF pretty quickly after production, you don't leave it hanging around on the shop floor with random electricians fitting wiring looms and journos taking publicity photos. Dust you know ... CF doesn't like it much. Fact they have their tub in bits to me suggests it's a mock up. To you it means other things, fine, but don't get so defensive.
I'm not defensive, it was you who claimed that a tub didn't consist of two halves that was bonded together
And if the team has crash tests on the 15th (which I'm not sure has been confirmed by the team) they might have submitted a different tub for crash testing. I really hope that the tub we have seen is not their only tub. And on their FB profile they use terms as "one of our tubs (plural) under construction" etc. (If we are to take CK seriously, that could be just one of the lies from the team obviously...).
The tub we have seen might be a mock up and that's why they use it to draw the electrics etc on it. My point was that to make that mock up at least a minimum of drawings must exist (even though some is arguing very hard that when CK writes "tub" he didn't really mean just the tub but rather drawings and tooling for more parts attached to the tub).
QUOTE (Rafo @ Feb 8 2010, 15:12)
Wait a minute...
According to the article below, the head of the "Composite" Dept. at USF1 is named "Kevin"
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
Then a newly created account under the name of "CompositeKen" posts all sorts of "inside" info trashing USF1.
And we believe this?
Head "Composites" @ USF1 named "Kevin" ...forum account suposed "insider" named "CompositeKen".
That would just be too obvious, unless he want to get caught...
...not to say I do believe USF1 has 99% chances of not showing up in Barhain!
According to the article below, the head of the "Composite" Dept. at USF1 is named "Kevin"
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
Then a newly created account under the name of "CompositeKen" posts all sorts of "inside" info trashing USF1.
And we believe this?
Head "Composites" @ USF1 named "Kevin" ...forum account suposed "insider" named "CompositeKen".
That would just be too obvious, unless he want to get caught...
...not to say I do believe USF1 has 99% chances of not showing up in Barhain!
As for CompositeKen's motivations.. it would be only guesses. Disgruntled employees are difficult to predict and handle but with such a young outfit low on cash and resources, it's probably / may be better to be in bed with the devil then to release him and adversely affect them from their February goals. In some rare cases, such an outburst may instigate others to say the same behind close doors and give Ken and Peter the wake up call that may have been needed.
Either way, Lotus just thrown down a huge smackdown on USF1.. showing how it's done and how to use the media to their advantage. No one really knows exactly what they accomplished this weekend but it's enough to give them some serious creditability.
If we don't hear anything significant from them by week's end (was hoping today).. I'm starting to think Ken's statements may be more factual then misleading..
It stood out like a sore thumb on the last few races on SpeedTV after USF1 got their spot. PW was almost drooling over how great Bernie was for the "wonderful new venues". Guess the kiss ass wore off faster than expected.
If CompositeKen is the real McCoy, I would suspect his nick is an elbow at Ken Anderson more than anything else?
Raz
Raz
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 8 2010, 19:19)
My impression always has been that Bernie from the very beginning would have liked them to fold before the start of the season.
..and it might be something that has been dragging on for quite some time
Skeletons
guess who is the journo with a slight limp?
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/24/usf1...rabham-f1-team/
..and it might be something that has been dragging on for quite some time
Skeletons
guess who is the journo with a slight limp?
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/24/usf1...rabham-f1-team/
Very interesting.
Windsor and Anderson are quite a match.
Dodgy, dodgy ...
I find it really hard to believe USF1 will be on the grid.
They've offered no launch date thus far.
By the end of the week Campos and USF1 will be the only teams who've not revealed their machine.
They've offered no launch date thus far.
By the end of the week Campos and USF1 will be the only teams who've not revealed their machine.
QUOTE (Rasputin @ Feb 8 2010, 12:25)
If CompositeKen is the real McCoy, I would suspect his nick is an elbow at Ken Anderson more than anything else?
Raz
Raz
That is what I thought as well, since Ken Anderson has worked with composite's for a really long time (and compost as well it seems).
Since Kevin is the head of the Composites shop, maybe he would have picked CompositeKev.
Look at this page, near the middle (of just ctrl-f to search for his name) and you will find more insight from CK, and it seems to be in a different tone? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/09/usf1...ash-test-video/
Does the tone in that post seem more like a rant of a fanboy vs the rant of an employee that we had here?
Well here is the post:
QUOTE
CompositeKen January 10, 2010 at 4:04 am
What the video doesn’t tell you is that both the nose and side impact panel tests both failed their dummy tests.
The reason the parts aren’t fitted to a test structure or tub is…it hasn’t been completed yet.
Sorry, but someone please explain how are they going to test at Barber in 4 weeks when they haven’t passed any of the required tests?
Maybe Ken has more up his sleeve than his highly embellished resume.
Don’t believe that? Look up the Indy winner records and see if you can find him mentioned anywhere as Chief Engineer for a one, let alone 5 wins. Nigel Bennet and alan jenkins are listed in everything I can find
http://www.teamdan.com/people/j.html
Anybody ever wonder how he could design shocks for Penske Shock and WilliamsF1 team and be Chief Engineer for Mears at the same time?
Better yet, find somewhere where he’s named as the Chief Designer of the ‘97 G-Force–you can find many names associated with it….but not his.
He was involved..but he wasn’t Chief or lead designer on any component save a shock or bit of suspension. Ask Penske or Arie. Aries was Tim Wardrop
http://www.nofenders.net/2007/10/doctor-doctor.html
http://insideracingtechnology.com/indyganasi.htm
http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...gotten-chassis/
The Falcon…ask people involved what the problem was a Falcon…Anderson’s disappearing act
Search Ken Anderson and G Force…hmmm. the only thing you come up with is his self-proclaimed genius—does anyone remember that car…most people would run from a car so horribly turned out. I guess some writer should do some due dilience and ask Chip Ganassi who owned G Force in ‘97 before he sold it to Panoz in 1998
How did he go from shock/designer engineer a year ago to Cheif Engineer? Any one notice how Ken’s resume grew from this original story to today’s website…we’ve all read about people’s resumes being embellished once they get away with it once…http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=7080.msg49722
Doesn’t anyone do their homework anymore?
What the video doesn’t tell you is that both the nose and side impact panel tests both failed their dummy tests.
The reason the parts aren’t fitted to a test structure or tub is…it hasn’t been completed yet.
Sorry, but someone please explain how are they going to test at Barber in 4 weeks when they haven’t passed any of the required tests?
Maybe Ken has more up his sleeve than his highly embellished resume.
Don’t believe that? Look up the Indy winner records and see if you can find him mentioned anywhere as Chief Engineer for a one, let alone 5 wins. Nigel Bennet and alan jenkins are listed in everything I can find
http://www.teamdan.com/people/j.html
Anybody ever wonder how he could design shocks for Penske Shock and WilliamsF1 team and be Chief Engineer for Mears at the same time?
Better yet, find somewhere where he’s named as the Chief Designer of the ‘97 G-Force–you can find many names associated with it….but not his.
He was involved..but he wasn’t Chief or lead designer on any component save a shock or bit of suspension. Ask Penske or Arie. Aries was Tim Wardrop
http://www.nofenders.net/2007/10/doctor-doctor.html
http://insideracingtechnology.com/indyganasi.htm
http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...gotten-chassis/
The Falcon…ask people involved what the problem was a Falcon…Anderson’s disappearing act
Search Ken Anderson and G Force…hmmm. the only thing you come up with is his self-proclaimed genius—does anyone remember that car…most people would run from a car so horribly turned out. I guess some writer should do some due dilience and ask Chip Ganassi who owned G Force in ‘97 before he sold it to Panoz in 1998
How did he go from shock/designer engineer a year ago to Cheif Engineer? Any one notice how Ken’s resume grew from this original story to today’s website…we’ve all read about people’s resumes being embellished once they get away with it once…http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=7080.msg49722
Doesn’t anyone do their homework anymore?
QUOTE (listerine @ Feb 8 2010, 18:12)
Hi DanardiF1, welcome to the forum.
I don't usually lie to answer posts in this style but it seems the most logical way to go this time. If this comes accross as overly brusque I apoligise. It is not my intension.
At least 1 TUB more accurately, they have parts for a tub. At the very least it needs to be bonded together. (not a trivial process, needing another cook in the autoclave and possibly a jig to hold it square.)
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this) I agree
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?) yup
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...) I don't think the gearbox matches the cad drawings, the drawings show vertical rockers, but the G/B we have seen has posts for horizontal rockers
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced... yes
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests) at least three, you can see some in progress in the background of the latest pic of Lopez at the factory
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works... I would imagine that they could have them if they wanted them. A set of tyres is not a big ticket item and (Ferrari?) had a prototype set months ago.
I don't usually lie to answer posts in this style but it seems the most logical way to go this time. If this comes accross as overly brusque I apoligise. It is not my intension.
At least 1 TUB more accurately, they have parts for a tub. At the very least it needs to be bonded together. (not a trivial process, needing another cook in the autoclave and possibly a jig to hold it square.)
1+ Mockups (support keel in nick craw pic would suggest this) I agree
1X Cosworth mockup engine (we know that Cosworth have produced 2 for each team as of now, but have USF1 paid for it and had it delivered?) yup
1X Mockup Gearbox (seems to be their own, as correlates with CAD drawings we have seen recently...) I don't think the gearbox matches the cad drawings, the drawings show vertical rockers, but the G/B we have seen has posts for horizontal rockers
Some (final or not) electrical systems, designed for the car and already produced... yes
At least 2-3 noses (some have been destroyed in crash tests) at least three, you can see some in progress in the background of the latest pic of Lopez at the factory
At least 1 Driver (Vallés is unconfirmed yet)
Have they got any Bridgestones yet? I don't know how the tyre situation works... I would imagine that they could have them if they wanted them. A set of tyres is not a big ticket item and (Ferrari?) had a prototype set months ago.
Thanks for the clarification Listerine, it wasn't too brusque
With the tubs, are the manufacture of these outsourced like their floor has (well supposed to at this point) been? Or could they do a few of these quite quickly?
Also, do you think the gearbox is completely different, or just a first iteration of their design perhaps?
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 8 2010, 13:48)
That is what I thought as well, since Ken Anderson has worked with composite's for a really long time (and compost as well it seems).
Since Kevin is the head of the Composites shop, maybe he would have picked CompositeKev.
Look at this page, near the middle (of just ctrl-f to search for his name) and you will find more insight from CK, and it seems to be in a different tone? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/09/usf1...ash-test-video/
Does the tone in that post seem more like a rant of a fanboy vs the rant of an employee that we had here?
Well here is the post:
Since Kevin is the head of the Composites shop, maybe he would have picked CompositeKev.
Look at this page, near the middle (of just ctrl-f to search for his name) and you will find more insight from CK, and it seems to be in a different tone? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/09/usf1...ash-test-video/
Does the tone in that post seem more like a rant of a fanboy vs the rant of an employee that we had here?
Well here is the post:
CompositeKen posted the exact same thing when he joined here... look at his profile..
Pretty well researched 'fanboy rant' if you ask me!
I think it's safe to say that many have decided he's a troll.. I'm fine with that. But personally I'm waiting for Anderson and Windsor to prove him wrong first..
Don't know much about KA's IRL record, but his F1 refereces from 20 years ago are complete horse, tech director for Ligier in france, under guy ligier, yeah right. As for onyx, forget it, that team was a mess in 1990.
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Feb 8 2010, 18:52)
Thanks for the clarification Listerine, it wasn't too brusque
With the tubs, are the manufacture of these outsourced like their floor has (well supposed to at this point) been? Or could they do a few of these quite quickly?
Also, do you think the gearbox is completely different, or just a first iteration of their design perhaps?
With the tubs, are the manufacture of these outsourced like their floor has (well supposed to at this point) been? Or could they do a few of these quite quickly?
Also, do you think the gearbox is completely different, or just a first iteration of their design perhaps?
I believe they are making the tubs in house.
This surprised me to be honest, when I saw the photo of the autoclave in October I was sure that it was too small for the tub bucks. It does depend on what you mean by quickly. Each tub half will require several multiple hour cooks and the only have one autoclave. I have thought that one every ten days would be going some.. About the autoclave, they were claiming to have two, but it has become clear as they have published more photos that they only have the one.
The gearbox I have no idea on. But the one in the video (might just be an empty case) has those vertical posts and I can see nothing on the side to suggest it's a transverse arrangement. The 'box in the drawings is clearly transverse, and has vertical rockers on what may be bolt on fixtures. However, I can't make out the case, which is all I can see in the video.
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Feb 8 2010, 12:52)
Thanks for the clarification Listerine, it wasn't too brusque
With the tubs, are the manufacture of these outsourced like their floor has (well supposed to at this point) been? Or could they do a few of these quite quickly?
With the tubs, are the manufacture of these outsourced like their floor has (well supposed to at this point) been? Or could they do a few of these quite quickly?
The tubs they do with their autoclave in-house, one of the videos shows a mould of a tub going into the autoclave. Not sure of the time needed, but the nose apparently takes only two days to make.
There is a world class carbon fiber shop just up the road from me, I used to get scrap from them. I should go visit the owners and see how long it takes them to bake stuff. They make light weight airplane parts for people who want to carry more expensive items on board, be it golden objects for kings, to making the plane lighter to carry military tech. So oddly they make showers and toilets for example out of carbon fiber - but it is a really neat shop to visit.
Going way back to the post about JML and the others having their arms crossed, around carbon fiber this is a good practice unless you are used to working with it or have gloves on. On of the worst cuts I have ever received in my life was from a piece of carbon that was not yet fully done (normally you will sand the edges to take the sharpness off), when I touched the chassis part it sliced my thumb so bad that some 15+years later it still has nerve damage. That was an important lesson for sure.
Back to your post, some have said that the diffuser and floor are being outsourced - either for a better autoclave or just a better team. Just making a wild guess by watching the current F1 teams, it seems that maybe you can build a car in as little as two weeks (based on something Ferrari said). Who knows what Ferrari has in terms of claves, they might be able to bake each part in the same clave or have enough to run multiple pieces.
The suspension is probably being outsourced as well, but that is one thing that even in some of the drawings has been absent, so who knows at this point.
I'll give CompositeKen one thing, he really have us going crazy with figuring out if he is real or not... 
And his first posts was before the ESPN story which named Kvein Bialis as head of composites...
Anyway, in one of his previous posts he wrote:
8 days later this ESPN article showed up:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
According to ESPN there is a tub 8 days later (or seven weeks before the first race as the article states), and notice how everyone describes what we have seen as a "tub". This tub is also present in the electrical wiring video.
Then he goes on and comments about the first of the Varsha videos and how it was only Ken's son on the video because of personal reputation. If he had been in the factory he would surely have known that there where several other guys that was interviewed, right... I mean the following videos had several of the team members being interviewed...
And then on to his latest post:
If some of the above is true, then I suspect that CK might be working for some kind of supplier or knows some of the people working there? And as I said before he speaks of the guys in the carbon shop in the third person, with his username I would suspect he would say "us" or "we"...
And then he links to another forum which seem to have posters that work in the Charlotte area (where he could have picked up the pay check stories etc.) and claims that "others at the shop are talking too". I have been on that thread and can't find anyone claiming to be from USF1.
My guess is that CK has picked up information at different forums, newsarticles and lives in the area/works for a supplier/knows people at the team or suppliers or has been fired from the team (and holds a grudge...). There are a few things that seem like "inside knowlegde" but then he ruins it by making comments about it being only Ken's son in the videos and that is clearly wrong and which he should have known had he been an insider, the comment about the lack of tubs also seems wrong (in my opinion).
As someone else said about giving information that could not be just picked up from rumours on other forums, I would also prefer if he would give us some information that verifies his "insiderness". If he really works for the team, he has blown his cover a long time ago so it would probably not hurt if he showed us something that only someone working for the team would have access to (like a pic from inside the factory that is easily recognisable as the USF1 factory) or PM his USF1 e-mail address to one of us. Somehow I have a feeling we won't get it, though
And his first posts was before the ESPN story which named Kvein Bialis as head of composites...
Anyway, in one of his previous posts he wrote:
QUOTE (CompositeKen @ Jan 12 2010, 03:34)
uh........I work there. There is no real tub built, the one pictured is a dummy carbon shell over a mold and CIC said both the nose a side impact/intrusion panels the team submitted would have failed the FIA test if they had been there and it was attached to a real tub.
A very, very long way to go and certainly no testing in Feb--none of us can understand why Ken and Peter are putting that out to the press...maybe to ensure that the driver's money comes in?
Notice how none of the engineers besides Ken's son were on the video...personal reputation is on the line. Ken's son is as smart as he appears on the video--he's completely ineffectual and can't give or take direction or respond to any type of challenge from the rest of the group...its close to hopeless with he and Ken in charge of design.
A very, very long way to go and certainly no testing in Feb--none of us can understand why Ken and Peter are putting that out to the press...maybe to ensure that the driver's money comes in?
Notice how none of the engineers besides Ken's son were on the video...personal reputation is on the line. Ken's son is as smart as he appears on the video--he's completely ineffectual and can't give or take direction or respond to any type of challenge from the rest of the group...its close to hopeless with he and Ken in charge of design.
8 days later this ESPN article showed up:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-is-on-at-usf1/
QUOTE
The team’s first carbon fiber tub is in place on a chassis plate with a mock-up Cosworth engine and a gearbox casing. But it’s being used to lay out the plumbing and electricals. It’s also been used for publicity photos (yet to be released) of visiting drivers (yet to be officially named).
The team members, some of them recently hired, are working flat out in all departments, especially in the composite shop. The man in charge of composites, Kevin Bialas, is composed and relaxed. But his staff has a backlog of lay-up work to do. The undertray, meanwhile, has been farmed out to nearby Crawford Composites and its larger autoclave.
Crucial pieces of the suspension and gearbox are done – but await more pieces required for final assembly. So the computer-aided machine shop continues to churn out lightweight, high-strength parts.
The team members, some of them recently hired, are working flat out in all departments, especially in the composite shop. The man in charge of composites, Kevin Bialas, is composed and relaxed. But his staff has a backlog of lay-up work to do. The undertray, meanwhile, has been farmed out to nearby Crawford Composites and its larger autoclave.
Crucial pieces of the suspension and gearbox are done – but await more pieces required for final assembly. So the computer-aided machine shop continues to churn out lightweight, high-strength parts.
According to ESPN there is a tub 8 days later (or seven weeks before the first race as the article states), and notice how everyone describes what we have seen as a "tub". This tub is also present in the electrical wiring video.
Then he goes on and comments about the first of the Varsha videos and how it was only Ken's son on the video because of personal reputation. If he had been in the factory he would surely have known that there where several other guys that was interviewed, right... I mean the following videos had several of the team members being interviewed...
And then on to his latest post:
QUOTE (CompositeKen @ Feb 7 2010, 13:40)
The car is easily 2 months away from being complete--and thats if they had the money and manpower to complete it and they gave decision making to the appropriate people.
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.
Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!
The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.
.......
Others at the shop are talking too http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/sho...228&page=12
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.
Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!
The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.
.......
Others at the shop are talking too http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/sho...228&page=12
If some of the above is true, then I suspect that CK might be working for some kind of supplier or knows some of the people working there? And as I said before he speaks of the guys in the carbon shop in the third person, with his username I would suspect he would say "us" or "we"...
And then he links to another forum which seem to have posters that work in the Charlotte area (where he could have picked up the pay check stories etc.) and claims that "others at the shop are talking too". I have been on that thread and can't find anyone claiming to be from USF1.
My guess is that CK has picked up information at different forums, newsarticles and lives in the area/works for a supplier/knows people at the team or suppliers or has been fired from the team (and holds a grudge...). There are a few things that seem like "inside knowlegde" but then he ruins it by making comments about it being only Ken's son in the videos and that is clearly wrong and which he should have known had he been an insider, the comment about the lack of tubs also seems wrong (in my opinion).
As someone else said about giving information that could not be just picked up from rumours on other forums, I would also prefer if he would give us some information that verifies his "insiderness". If he really works for the team, he has blown his cover a long time ago so it would probably not hurt if he showed us something that only someone working for the team would have access to (like a pic from inside the factory that is easily recognisable as the USF1 factory) or PM his USF1 e-mail address to one of us. Somehow I have a feeling we won't get it, though
QUOTE (Rasputin @ Feb 8 2010, 18:59)
Don't know much about KA's IRL record, but his F1 refereces from 20 years ago are complete horse, tech director for Ligier in france, under guy ligier, yeah right. As for onyx, forget it, that team was a mess in 1990.
From F1 Rejects on Onyx/Monteverdi in 1990 (Ken Anderson claims to have been Technical Director at the time.) http://www.f1rejects.com/teams/onyx/profile.html
QUOTE
The preparation of the cars was becoming questionable, with spare parts in such short supply that, as scandalous rumour had it, Monteverdi's classic car collection was being scavenged for bits and pieces! Broken wishbones were welded back together instead of being replaced, and when Lehto complained of a recurrent handling problem, it was traced to a differential that had been installed the wrong way around several races earlier. Little wonder that respected journalist Nigel Roebuck began calling the team 'Team Cuckoo Clock'. At this point, Karl Foitek withdrew his money from the farce, refusing to let his son drive what had become a death-trap.
QUOTE (listerine @ Feb 8 2010, 19:17)
From F1 Rejects on Onyx/Monteverdi in 1990 (Ken Anderson claims to have been Technical Director at he time.) http://www.f1rejects.com/teams/onyx/profile.html
Sure, but the Onyx in 1989 was an excellent little car.
Stefan Johannson took third in Portugal on merit.
Was Anderson involved then?
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 8 2010, 19:19)
Sure, but the Onyx in 1989 was an excellent little car.
Stefan Johannson took third in Portugal on merit.
Was Anderson involved then?
Stefan Johannson took third in Portugal on merit.
Was Anderson involved then?
According to his CV on the USF1 site http://www.usgpe.com/ken-anderson.html he was at Ligier.
QUOTE (listerine @ Feb 8 2010, 19:21)
According to his CV on the USF1 site http://www.usgpe.com/ken-anderson.html he was at Ligier.
The 1989 Ligier wasn't a bad car actually.
Grouillard scored on debut in it and Rene Arnoux did OK.
Certainly better than the awful "twin tank" 88 Ligier.
EDIT: Actually, Groulliard finished 9th on debut in Brazil. He scored his first and only F1 point in a Ligier at the French GP in '89.
QUOTE (listerine @ Feb 8 2010, 13:21)
According to his CV on the USF1 site http://www.usgpe.com/ken-anderson.html he was at Ligier.
This might agree with some of his resume - http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/cref-andken.html
Just as a sidenote, Williams is currently doing tests on their second chassis:
I wonder how USF1 will have the time to do stuff like this before Bahrain (unless they are more progressed than we know and have a chassis in the shaker rig in a few weeks time )
QUOTE
ClaireVWilliams Chassis #2 is currently undergoing damper & suspension checks on our vibration rig
I wonder how USF1 will have the time to do stuff like this before Bahrain (unless they are more progressed than we know and have a chassis in the shaker rig in a few weeks time
)
Well the timestamp from the last quote you just posted showed what twenty minutes from now? Another shows two hours from now. Either things are scarce in house or Ken is proficient on an iPhone. Ok to read up on but this sucks to post on!!! Wish he would show up for a chat. No waterboarding I promise.
One things for sure. I'm glad I didn't forward that application when I was buzzed about a team on our side or the pond. Looks like a bad bad mistake Ken being real or not.
One things for sure. I'm glad I didn't forward that application when I was buzzed about a team on our side or the pond. Looks like a bad bad mistake Ken being real or not.
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 8 2010, 14:13)
...but then he ruins it by making comments about it being only Ken's son in the videos and that is clearly wrong..
Your funny always trumping the 'clearly wrong' thing...
You put videos plural, but he really was talking about the first video, wasn't he?
Dunno what's clear to you, but to me the Varsha videos got better when Anderson Jr wasn't near the camera..
this is still a classic piece of weird FAIL, lol :
http://www.usgpe.com/news/bob-varsha-visit...eam-part-1.html
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 8 2010, 20:25)
This might agree with some of his resume - http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/cref-andken.html
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In 1996 he designed the first G Force IRL car and in 1997 the car won the Indianapolis 500 in the hands of Arie Luyendyk. He continued to engineer cars for Gordon in 1997 and 1998, while also designing an offroad truck for Toyota for Gordon to drive in Baja races. The link with Toyota led to design work with Dan Gurney's All American Racers in CART.
He can't be a total tosser...
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 8 2010, 13:30)
He can't be a total tosser...
You know what, that also explains why the car will have more suspension travel. He designed and off-road truck, and another poster asked about a shaker rig. This gets them around two problems, no need for a shaker rig (but one is at Windshear right?), and the handling in the grass will be outstanding. Allowing the new drivers to avoid the walls and get out of the sandtraps with ease!!
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 8 2010, 20:38)
You know what, that also explains why the car will have more suspension travel. He designed and off-road truck, and another poster asked about a shaker rig. This gets them around two problems, no need for a shaker rig (but one is at Windshear right?), and the handling in the grass will be outstanding. Allowing the new drivers to avoid the walls and get out of the sandtraps with ease!!
To be fair though this is what the Renault said:
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Heavier fuel loads mean much more challenging conditions for the brakes. Also, running the car from absolutely full to absolutely empty gives a larger range of conditions that the suspension must be able to cope with.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81149
In 1996 he designed the first G Force IRL car and in 1997 the car won the Indianapolis 500 in the hands of Arie Luyendyk. He continued to engineer cars for Gordon in 1997 and 1998, while also designing an offroad truck for Toyota for Gordon to drive in Baja races. The link with Toyota led to design work with Dan Gurney's All American Racers in CART.
Sorry can't figure out how to quote.
The post 1995 Indy chassis was and still is much simpler than the CART chassis. Tony "tear apart USOWR" George made it a point to make it a painted turd. CART at it's height was a technical car but still NOT a F1 chassis. Now just think or F1 1996 to now. Electronic aids aside I would believe the refinement to the chassis it's self is very superb. It is pointed out in the "is it aspec series" thread. I see it as claiming to design a 57 chevy makes you capable of making a current Malibu. Four doors, midsize sedan but apples and oranges underneath.
Sorry can't figure out how to quote.
The post 1995 Indy chassis was and still is much simpler than the CART chassis. Tony "tear apart USOWR" George made it a point to make it a painted turd. CART at it's height was a technical car but still NOT a F1 chassis. Now just think or F1 1996 to now. Electronic aids aside I would believe the refinement to the chassis it's self is very superb. It is pointed out in the "is it aspec series" thread. I see it as claiming to design a 57 chevy makes you capable of making a current Malibu. Four doors, midsize sedan but apples and oranges underneath.
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