The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > Will USF1 make it to the 2010 grid? (merged)

ezequiel

Feb 10 2010, 19:25

QUOTE (rmac923 @ Feb 10 2010, 15:44)

Speed Article with Pechito's Manager

He says the only thing that can delay USF1 making Bahrain is failing the final crash test "Sometime next week". (Consistent with rumors)

He also implies that they are in negotiations with Dallara in the event of a worst case scenario. Of course, this would mean Campos really is finished.

So that the current situation at USF1 (maybe

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Felipe McGough talked to Corsa today. He clearified he never talked to anyone from the Hoy newspaper (which was known in La Plata some time ago for lying too much). He says the team is in schedule to make the crash test between february 15th and 18th, and, if it is succesful, they will start testing on february 20th (thou I guess that, if they finally make the crash test on 18th I don't think they would be able to test on 20th, perhaps some days later). "Nothing has been changed from the original schedule" said McGough, and clearify that they (well, López) don't have any reason right now to have some sort of "prevention" about the team not making it to Bahrein. But if they failed the crash test, that will change things, McGough admits.

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 19:56

QUOTE (ezequiel @ Feb 10 2010, 13:25)

Felipe McGough talked to Corsa today. He clearified he never talked to anyone from the Hoy newspaper (which was known in La Plata some time ago for lying too much). He says the team is in schedule to make the crash test between february 15th and 18th, and, if it is succesful, they will start testing on february 20th (thou I guess that, if they finally make the crash test on 18th I don't think they would be able to test on 20th, perhaps some days later). "Nothing has been changed from the original schedule" said McGough, and clearify that they (well, López) don't have any reason right now to have some sort of "prevention" about the team not making it to Bahrein. But if they failed the crash test, that will change things, McGough admits.

They claim to have taken things a bit on the safe side, so they might be ok and pass the tests. It has been a while since a big team has failed, was it Ferrari with a nose, and McLaren with a rear structure a few years back the last time?

Interesting news, thanks for sharing.

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:00

QUOTE (loki @ Feb 10 2010, 00:10)

What exactly would be the point of such a "scam"? There is a facility. Two in fact. There are employees. There is equipment for the construction of a race car. While they are having what appear to be management and execution issues, it's hardly a "scam" as you put it. It's more like a management group operating at the limits of their capability and resources. One thing is for sure, they are serious about wanting to compete. The question at this point is if there is enough time to pull it off.

So let's see:

1. There is a facility: True. Semi empty but true
2. There are emplyees. true. Unpaid but that's true.
3. There is equipment. Dating back who knows when, but true.
4. There is management. True. I would rather call it mismanagement. But true.
5. Execution issues? None I have seen to date. Just words.
6. They are operating to the limit of their capability? But if they are late.
7. Resources? I hardly would call a couple thousand dollars "resources".
8. They are serious about wanting to compete. What makes you say that? Any prove at all besides cheap taalk?
9. IS theer going to be enough time? I don't think the issue time. I thing lack of money and qualified personnel- including pilots- is more of a serious issue.

It's nothing personal. But I think I am not the only one who wants to see some beef. I liked the IDEA to have an American team. But for now I only see something with lots of air - invisible air.

DFV

Feb 10 2010, 20:01

QUOTE (feynman @ Feb 5 2010, 00:34)

that was then, this is now ... new clause 13.5 added to concorde agreement which lets team skip three races and not forfeit their place in championship.

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 5 2010, 00:54)

Wat?

You've seen the Concorde agreement? I call BS... and even then it doesn't supersede the FIA regulations. You need the idiots in suits at the FIA World Council to actually have the regulations changed, which they might actually do if they want to fight with Bernie and keep Stefan GP out of the game..

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 20:06)

Nobody listens to me!!!!

Ooooopppsss, you should have waited another hour with that last post

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/...not-miss-races/

QUOTE

The Concorde Agreement apparently has a clause (13.5) which states that if a team has failed to participate in more than three events in the same FIA F1 Championship it is considered to have withdrawn from the championship. This is not apparently a get-out clause, as some have been reading it, as another clause in the agreement (believed to be 4.1) contains an undertaking that each team will participate in every event of the FIA F1 Championship each year for the duration of the term of the agreement. In order to achieve this the cars must be presented for scrutineering and there must be efforts made to ensure that the teams actively take part – on the understanding that they have not been banned; prevented from arriving by genuine force majeure such as war, insurrection, earthquake, riot, fire or flood; or stopped from getting there because of the failure of transportation provided by the commercial rights holder.

Not having the money or not having a finished car is not a good enough excuse, even if a supplier has failed to deliver. However, the three strikes and you are out rule kicks in if a team does fail to make it to each race.

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:03

QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Feb 10 2010, 00:14)

You do realise that I am a Peter Windsor/Ken Anderson detractor, right?

I'm not against the hard working people at USF1, but am very much a big detractor of their upper management.

Go back and read my VERY FIRST POST in this ENTIRE thread, and then come back and tell me I'm making pro USF1 excuses.

Just because someone tries to show a slight sense of balance, and does not have an acutely polarized view on something, it does not mean that you can go on and assume what their motivation is

.

I don't mean to rail on you, but your entire post was made entirely redundant to me by your second sentence.

Since some people seem to be completely misunderstanding my stance, I'll spell it out:

I want to see a full grid of ALL the teams, old and new, for 2010. I want the US to have a greater presence in F1, because I feel that it will help the sport grow in North America. However, I feel that USF1 operation is run by a pair of magnificently incompetent goofs, with ZERO credibility. I NEVER liked Peter Windsor, and the moment I knew he was starting up this project, I knew it was bound to fail. However, having said that, now that the project HAS begun, I do feel some compassion towards the hard working, passionate people, who are working there. I want this thing to work for THESE people, and not for the sake of a smug Peter Windsor. Me WANTING it to be a success, though, does not mean that it WILL be. In all likelihood, it may not be, but at this point, we have so many mixed stories and rumours flying around, we have no idea what is actually going on.

That is pure mismanagement, which in turn, is pure Peter Windsor. The man cannot tell his head from his arse, and thinks that he can run a Formula One team.

Anyway, with all the above knowledge, I take every positive and negative news or rumour with a grain of salt. This is a USF1 discussion thread, so if there is information regarding their car, I want to hear about it, and talk about it. If there is information regarding their participation, I want to hear about that, and talk about that too. I'm not here to make excuses for anyone, or defend anyone. These people are men, and can do that for themselves.

The only thing that really irked me in this entire thread has been the behaviour of a certain poster, whom we don't even know is the real deal or not. If my post directed at him is considered "defending" the team, then I don't really know what to say.

Hopefully now, you understand what my position on their situation is.

I totally support that

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:05

QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 10 2010, 00:29)

Here is the layout of the factory, I was looking for this a few days ago but forgot where it was.

THe outside looks exactly like the inside: plenty of empty space. Sorry. I had to.My voices told me to.

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:07

QUOTE (DaleCooper @ Feb 10 2010, 00:58)

WHy do you dislike Windsor so much, and how do you conclude that he is so inept?

Cooper

The beef, man! The beef!! Where is teh beef???? Give me some beef..PLEEEASE!!

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:09

QUOTE (Pilla @ Feb 10 2010, 04:04)

Woosh! Shit, something flew straight over your head.

Hysterical!!!

DFV

Feb 10 2010, 20:10

redevil: Thanks for your very insighful posts

But could you please use the multiquote function and not post a single reply to each post

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:11

QUOTE (loki @ Feb 10 2010, 04:05)

or we'll have Ferarri and McLaren fielding 10 cars each. It will be a tough transition but in the next few years these lower budget teams will be the norm.

ALL RIGHT FOLKS. YOU GUY ARE TREMENDOUS

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:17

QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 10 2010, 04:23)

Your post also seems to be full of hearsay and rumours portrayed as facts.

Until you don't PROVE me wrong, you don't either. Hence everything I wrote is correct. The burden of proof is in their court, not mine. Show me the money man. Show me the money.

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:20

QUOTE (qwazy @ Feb 10 2010, 05:28)

Can I be one of the first to say that I hope Chad Hurley pulls the plug on the Ken Anderson/Peter Windsor project?

You mean he has not yet??

wdh

Feb 10 2010, 20:22

QUOTE (ezequiel @ Feb 10 2010, 19:25)

Felipe McGough talked to Corsa today. He clearified he never talked to anyone from the Hoy newspaper (which was known in La Plata some time ago for lying too much). He says the team is in schedule to make the crash test between february 15th and 18th, and, if it is succesful, they will start testing on february 20th (thou I guess that, if they finally make the crash test on 18th I don't think they would be able to test on 20th, perhaps some days later). "Nothing has been changed from the original schedule" said McGough, and clearify that they (well, López) don't have any reason right now to have some sort of "prevention" about the team not making it to Bahrein. But if they failed the crash test, that will change things, McGough admits.

Ummm.

"The crash test" ?? He does know that there's a whole series of tests, doesn't he?

And that they don't NEED to pass crash tests before going track testing.

But they do need a gearbox to do the rear impact test.
And for track testing, they need engines, wheels, undertray, wings, shocks, etc ... (and a gearbox).

I too think it unlikely that they would schedule track testing two days after crash testing. (And wasn't it the same guy that was saying that the 'crash' testing would be done in the UK?)

Its implausible.

All in all, I must conclude that either Felipe McGough has been given some dodgy info, or he's making it up.
We should know in 10 days or less, if he's right, and most of this forum is wrong ...

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:29

QUOTE (santori @ Feb 10 2010, 05:33)

Given Peter Windsor's admiration of Carlos Reutemann and Reutemann's help in getting Lopez a seat, I don't see how it could be a scam. It would endanger Reutemann's political career and whatever else I think of Peter Windsor, I don't think he'd do that. For the same reason I think he must believe that there's a good chance of making the grid.

Seriously what concrete prove do you have of that? You cannot beleive he could be so bad? Do you know when I figured out that he was going to fail? When rather than taking advantage of 1st class drivers looking desperatly for a drive (I am sure you now who I am refering to) he instead "hired" and Argentinian sponsor by the Arrgentinian government. Now if you beleive that's part of normal precedure then I understand why you still believe the team in still in good shape.

I am calling it a scam because it looks like he is doing everything under false pretenses. There is a big facade with major emptiness behind it. So far just thin air. And I truly hope that the need of money will not actract capitals coming from criminal "enterprises".

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 20:33

QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 10 2010, 14:22)

Ummm.

"The crash test" ?? He does know that there's a whole series of tests, doesn't he?

And that they don't NEED to pass crash tests before going track testing.

But they do need a gearbox to do the rear impact test.
And for track testing, they need engines, wheels, undertray, wings, shocks, etc ... (and a gearbox).

I too think it unlikely that they would schedule track testing two days after crash testing. (And wasn't it the same guy that was saying that the 'crash' testing would be done in the UK?)

Its implausible.

All in all, I must conclude that either Felipe McGough has been given some dodgy info, or he's making it up.
We should know in 10 days or less, if he's right, and most of this forum is wrong ...

Well say they actually have two cars built waiting for the tests to be passed, ok or one car. They could roll that car out the next day and test it.

I have the feeling that Crawford Composites is also doing the wings, along with the floor which we already know. I am also going to speculate that they are fabricating the suspension arms as well. They have vastly more experience at this point over CompositeKen anyway, so I would make them do that work, and just let Ken type on the net.

Do you write off the tub from a crash test? Or just slap a new nose on it, new side impact structures, and rear structures?

lgbalch

Feb 10 2010, 20:36

QUOTE (mattorgen @ Feb 10 2010, 11:53)

No I do not - there are more words in the complete quotes but they do not change the meaning so they are not taken out of context. The complete quotes can be printed here as proof if you like. Try again

There is no discussing with you. You dance around everything. You completely ignore the reported ambivalence of Todt, which was what I was referring to, and you pontificate on the courts and the law while refusing to acknowledge that you have no special knowledge there.

Slowinfastout

Feb 10 2010, 20:36

QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 10 2010, 15:33)

Well say they actually have two cars built waiting for the tests to be passed, ok or one car. They could roll that car out the next day and test it.

I have the feeling that Crawford Composites is also doing the wings, along with the floor which we already know. I am also going to speculate that they are fabricating the suspension arms as well. They have vastly more experience at this point over CompositeKen anyway, so I would make them do that work, and just let Ken type on the net.

Do you write off the tub from a crash test? Or just slap a new nose on it, new side impact structures, and rear structures?

Do they even have the engines to put in the middle of all that stuff?

They can crash test with a dummy but realistically they're going to need the CA2010s at one point..

redevil

Feb 10 2010, 20:41

QUOTE (lgbalch @ Feb 10 2010, 10:51)

How are we going to know when he starts showing signs of senility? Maybe when he starts promoting a Vatican street race?

Only if the Pope would be the first driver.

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 20:50

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 14:36)

Do they even have the engines to put in the middle of all that stuff?

They can crash test with a dummy but realistically they're going to need the CA2010s at one point..

Who knows, Cosworth knows that is for sure. I am clueless on what survives the crash tests though, I thought the tub should be the only thing you can salvage, is it not a fail if that gets damaged?

Slowinfastout

Feb 10 2010, 21:00

QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 10 2010, 15:50)

Who knows, Cosworth knows that is for sure. I am clueless on what survives the crash tests though, I thought the tub should be the only thing you can salvage, is it not a fail if that gets damaged?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.. McGough is full of it when he says: "Nothing has been changed from the original schedule", unless there are many original schedules, that new one contradicts Windsor's.

In any case they should have more than one tub, for instance Wirth said he learned about the Virgin car having successfully passed the tests on the eve before his car was about to take the track.

Unlike Virgin though... USF1 doesn't even sound like they have an undertray yet, and when that's done It'll likely take days to actually put the car together..

We can laugh at it all we want but so far CompositeKen is still right... or at least not proven to be wrong, lol

wdh

Feb 10 2010, 21:14

QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 10 2010, 20:50)

... I thought the tub should be the only thing you can salvage, is it not a fail if that gets damaged?

To pass, the 'safety cell' must be undamaged.

If you fail ... you could fail spectacularly!

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 21:19

QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 10 2010, 15:14)

To pass, the 'safety cell' must be undamaged.

If you fail ... you could fail spectacularly!

Thanks! So they would have at least one tub after the test... That is something to at least ponder for a few milliseconds.

Slowinfastout

Feb 10 2010, 21:21

QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 10 2010, 16:14)

To pass, the 'safety cell' must be undamaged.

If you fail ... you could fail spectacularly!

If it's true that the real gearbox (casing) hasn't been seen at the shop.. then it's unlikely that the rear crash structure has been tested by USF1.. so there's the possibility of a 'blind' FIA test right there..

If that car runs in February I'll be massively impressed!

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 21:27

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 15:21)

If it's true that the real gearbox (casing) hasn't been seen at the shop.. then it's unlikely that the rear crash structure has been tested by USF1.. so there's the possibility of a 'blind' FIA test right there..

If that car runs in February I'll be massively impressed!

As will most of us.

wdh

Feb 10 2010, 21:28

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 21:00)

...
We can laugh at it all we want but so far CompositeKen is still right... or at least not proven to be wrong, lol

People do listen to what you say!

And FWIW, I reckon that if the Concorde really does speak of 'miss more than three and it counts as withdrawing' - then I'd expect it to be in the context of what the teams get paid. Withdraw and you shouldn't expect to be paid for the whole season by Bernie. So you need some way whereby Bernie can make the determination that, regardless of what the team might say, they have withdrawn - and calculate what they should be paid (or not).
The commercial details are going to deal with different needs to those the FIA regs must address.
They could say different things without necessarily being in conflict !

wdh

Feb 10 2010, 21:29

QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 10 2010, 21:19)

... So they would have at least one tub after the test...

ONLY if they passed!

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 21:31

QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 10 2010, 15:29)

ONLY if they passed!

That is why I said, ohh wait, I see what I did there... Carry on!

glorius&victorius

Feb 10 2010, 21:46

this is my favourite thread! i wonder if peter windsor reads it as well...

Slowinfastout

Feb 10 2010, 21:56

QUOTE (glorius&victorius @ Feb 10 2010, 16:46)

this is my favourite thread! i wonder if peter windsor reads it as well...

Peter Windbag is pondering which great driver he's gonna hire to replace Driver X... it takes that long because it is very difficult to choose between the good drivers that are around, he thinks there are still a lot on offer and the difficult thing is to choose only ~~two~~ one out of the ~~ten~~ nine that are available. It’s a difficult job and he hates having to do that. They have not signed one of their forward deals yet in terms of the contracts, but they are pretty near to announcing.

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10320.html

Mandzipop

Feb 10 2010, 22:14

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 21:56)

Peter Windbag is pondering which great driver he's gonna hire to replace Driver X... it takes that long because it is very difficult to choose between the good drivers that are around, he thinks there are still a lot on offer and the difficult thing is to choose only ~~two~~ one out of the ~~ten~~ nine that are available. It’s a difficult job and he hates having to do that. They have not signed one of their forward deals yet in terms of the contracts, but they are pretty near to announcing.

;)

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10320.html

Ok can I admit something. I'm one of the drivers they are considering. However, I do have some problems to overcome. I need sponsorship. Mind you being a woman I will bring a lot of exposure to the team so that might make things easier. I dont have a superlicence, racing licence or even a UK driving licence (yes I'm british). However I have managed to do 1 lap around Australia without crashing on the F2009 Wii. Does that count?

Joking aside. I wonder if hiring a driver earlier, who wasn't a pay driver but was prepared to drive for peanuts but a name at the same time, might have helped in raising their profile to appear more professional. The teams that have done a shakedown or even testing (albeit way off the pace) at least have names that are already known quantites in F1. eg If they'd have said we have got Fisi signed, would that have made them appear more professional and therefore attracted more sponsors?

Its down to the fact they are missing (what appears to be) schedules and lack of credible drivers that makes them look unprofessional.

All I can say is will someone please do something to get this team on the grid in Bahrain.

I hope that the crash tests are successful. The one thing that is niggling (well one of the things) is that they said they would be testing at Barber. We know thats not going to happen.

I dont think it is a scam. I think they just went about it the wrong way.

I'm crossing my fingers for all of the USF1 supporters that they will be there and Bernie's meddling will not have interfered too much.

luskiiimj

Feb 10 2010, 22:54

As far as this thread goes, I give up.

But I still think many of you are well wide of the mark. I think the evidence says that USF1 are trying to make Bahrain, and probably will. But it looks like a bunch of you would rather just bash. So I bow out. Cheers

mclarensmps

Feb 10 2010, 22:55

QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Feb 10 2010, 17:14)

Joking aside. I wonder if hiring a driver earlier, who wasn't a pay driver but was prepared to drive for peanuts but a name at the same time, might have helped in raising their profile to appear more professional.

This particular strategy hasn't quite worked out too well for one Campos Meta team.

Mandzipop

Feb 10 2010, 23:07

QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Feb 10 2010, 22:55)

This particular strategy hasn't quite worked out too well for one Campos Meta team.

Not an experienced F1 driver though is he? Had they have gotten Fisi or Heidfeld, it would have given them some credibility. Hiring someone due to their surname doesn't. It would have worked with Rosberg as he is an exprienced F1 driver. No offence to Senna but he has obviously been hired just for his name. They've banked on his name (even though he has no F1 experience) to get them more access to sponsorship.

Had USF1 gone for Heidfeld and Senna then they would have had a much better marketing opportunity.

mattorgen

Feb 10 2010, 23:09

QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Feb 10 2010, 23:54)

As far as this thread goes, I give up.

But I still think many of you are well wide of the mark. I think the evidence says that USF1 are trying to make Bahrain, and probably will. But it looks like a bunch of you would rather just bash. So I bow out. Cheers

I am sure that USF1 are trying to make it Bahrain but will they? Not according to Bernie. However, although he says that they "are going to ask to miss three races," this would indicate that they will be on the grid afterwards so it answers the question posed by this thread - if you believe Bernie then, yes, USF1 will make it to the 2010 grid (we just don't know when).

Slowinfastout

Feb 10 2010, 23:14

QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Feb 10 2010, 17:54)

As far as this thread goes, I give up.

But I still think many of you are well wide of the mark. I think the evidence says that USF1 are trying to make Bahrain, and probably will. But it looks like a bunch of you would rather just bash. So I bow out. Cheers

Look, can't we have a little fun? I can't speak for others but I try to discuss using the facts available to us...

Incidentally, even Chad Hurley may have joined the bashing ---> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-bahrain-debut/

QUOTE

There is also talk that Campos' car constructor Dallara, believed to be already talking with Stefan GP about a deal, may also have commenced negotiations with USF1, at the request of team sponsor Chad Hurley.

Dallara's chief executive Andrea Pontremoli told motorsport-total.com: "We are talking with several people. I cannot say more."

Is it us who are wide of the mark or the friends of USF1 over at SPEED? Those negotiations with Dallara surely wouldn't represent a vote of confidence for the current USF1 management, more likely a first step towards them getting the boot, IMHO.

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 23:19

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 17:14)

Look, can't we have a little fun? I can't speak for others but I try to discuss using the facts available to us...

Incidentally, even Chad Hurley may have joined the bashing ---> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-bahrain-debut/

Is it us who are wide of the mark or the friends of USF1 over at SPEED? Those negotiations with Dallara surely wouldn't represent a vote of confidence for the current USF1 management, more likely a first step towards them getting the boot, IMHO.

Sadly, or gladly, I think Dr. Warren might be better on the technical side of things, just get Peter out of there, and let Ken do shocks in the corner somewhere.

rmac923

Feb 10 2010, 23:22

QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 18:14)

Look, can't we have a little fun? I can't speak for others but I try to discuss using the facts available to us...

Incidentally, even Chad Hurley may have joined the bashing ---> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-bahrain-debut/

Is it us who are wide of the mark or the friends of USF1 over at SPEED? Those negotiations with Dallara surely wouldn't represent a vote of confidence for the current USF1 management, more likely a first step towards them getting the boot, IMHO.

At this point I can definitely see Hurley buying out the team (kicking Windbag and Anderson to the curb) and shopping for a Manufacturer to buy into the team. Of course, the odds of it being an American car company are slim. If Panoz were in good shape financially, I could see it happen. The big 3 aren't gonna bite though.

eimin

Feb 10 2010, 23:22

The Dallara deal.. a thing what I talk about 5 pages ago..

I hope not be the one who gives chad hurley the idea.. if i did.. i can found a large internet company as well isnt.. XD

qwazy

Feb 10 2010, 23:36

QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 10 2010, 11:33)

Why ask, you just said it

But, why do you want him to pull the plug?

Sorry for the late response.

I don't want him to pull the plug on USF1 – I want him to pull the plug on Peter and Ken. I know that at this point it's just a lot of hearsay and conjecture but in my gut, I just fear they're running this thing into the ground.

What I'd like to see is Chad make the necessary moves to get the wrong people out and the right people in. And at this point, I don't care if it means Ken and Peter have to go. As an American, I want the best possible foot put forward, which I don't feel we're getting from Ken and Peter. I picture it like if the USA sprinting team was invited to the Olympics for the first time in 40 years or whatever, but leading up to the event there were questions of whether we'd show up. And if we did show up, all of our sprinters would be out of shape and ill-prepared. I know they mean well, but the smoke is becoming visible of a potential fire and if Chad can salvage the situation and get on track for 2011 (somehow) then I'd prefer that.

I applaud their approach to all this with the videos and some of the behind-the-scenes stuff but if Peter and Ken continue to fabricate truths and not fulfill promises and seem more of a circus than a race team, then I have zero qualms with seeing them walk. Chad Hurley is a business-man with his capital on the line, as well as the reputation of his country on a global racing stage, and so I hope he can make things happen and we can show our stuff.

Talryyn

Feb 10 2010, 23:36

QUOTE (eimin @ Feb 10 2010, 17:22)

The Dallara deal.. a thing what I talk about 5 pages ago..

I hope not be the one who gives chad hurley the idea.. if i did.. i can found a large internet company as well isnt.. XD

Sometimes I wonder if all rumors are starting here on this thread..

PayasYouRace

Feb 10 2010, 23:43

I also wonder how much this thread is affecting the rumours. Tbh, I don't know what to believe about USF1 any more. I'd still like to see them on the grid but it's getting to crunch time now.

dajwalia

Feb 11 2010, 00:03

Post from an optimist: (yes i know all about the problems with the late crash test and resource crunch and everything that can go wrong, but still ...)

In an interview to Joe Saward late last year Ken Andersen mentions a lot, something that drew my attention was ...

1) thanks to existing teams for releasing their employees early to join USF1.
2) three- and five-axis CNC machines; we have a composite shop with autoclaves and a 24-foot CNC cutting table; a complete fab shop; assembly and sub-assembly.
3) there are some departments we don’t have to have in-house, such as a wind tunnel, shaker rig, K&C machine, additional CFD support and a center of gravity machine.

Third point goes to the posters who do not see much in the factory. Yes, there might be a lot of things missing there because many things would be outsourced from supplier until the factory in Charlotte gets upto speed. A few more points from a postive angle ...

4) JLo's manager confirms crash test week. JLo has Argentian govt behind him, they would definitely have not been involved if there really was no car in sight.
5) Windshear is being talked about a lot and is listed as a technical partner. When they start utilizing their windtunnels (hopefully in 2010 sometime) that facility is ranked as one of the top wind tunnels facility (with 100% models, conveyor belt and speeds over 180mph) and majority of top f1 teams have had atleast one or more test over there. So whenever that is realized for USF1, it would be a tremendous boost.

Does this mean they will be on time and within 107% (old rule). No, absolutely not. All I am trying to say is it is a serious attempt from Ken and Peter and they themselves are realizing now how difficult it can be to build a car and then make it reliable and fast, not to forget paying the bills too.

Keeping fingers crossed

JForce

Feb 11 2010, 00:23

I don't doubt that USF1 is a legit attempt to start an F1 team.

I just doubt that they'll, in any way any rational person would consider, successful.

BullHead

Feb 11 2010, 00:33

Well, yes. If they make to the grid at least, that's something.

engel

Feb 11 2010, 00:51

QUOTE (dajwalia @ Feb 11 2010, 00:03)

5) Windshear is being talked about a lot and is listed as a technical partner. When they start utilizing their windtunnels (hopefully in 2010 sometime) that facility is ranked as one of the top wind tunnels facility (with 100% models, conveyor belt and speeds over 180mph) and majority of top f1 teams have had atleast one or more test over there. So whenever that is realized for USF1, it would be a tremendous boost.

a good time to use the windtunnel is when you 're designing the car, you know build a model and test it out. And F1 teams are not allowed to run full scale models (or the actual cars themselves) in the windtunnel.

Talryyn

Feb 11 2010, 00:55

QUOTE (engel @ Feb 10 2010, 18:51)

a good time to use the windtunnel is when you 're designing the car, you know build a model and test it out. And F1 teams are not allowed to run full scale models (or the actual cars themselves) in the windtunnel.

Actually they are allowed again (2010) for 6 days of full-scale testing, 24 hour period, but only 4-hours can be wind on testing. The last part is a bit odd, but I guess you have to think about as running a part for 10 minutes, getting the data points. Switch that part out, run again, etc, etc, rinse, repeat. So it might take 24-hours to get a full 4-hours of wind on testing.

Additionally, scale testing is not the same as full-scale. Simply put the air does different things on smaller objects. Look at RC planes and the airfoils they use for example, then scale that up and you do not get the same handling. Scale remote cars use more of a scoop for a wing compared to an actual airfoil, while they may run 100mph that same airfoil shape will not produce the downforce needed. But I described it in a horrible nutshell, there is plenty of info out there on it all. Of course the F1 teams no all this, and they are constantly comparing the wind tunnel data to what the get on the track to make it all more accurate. So the experience they have leads them to more accurate scale testing. If I made any sense at all, not sure, still getting over surgery.

engel

Feb 11 2010, 01:16

QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 11 2010, 00:55)

Actually they are allowed again (2010) for 6 days of full-scale testing, 24 hour period, but only 4-hours can be wind on testing. The last part is a bit odd, but I guess you have to think about as running a part for 10 minutes, getting the data points. Switch that part out, run again, etc, etc, rinse, repeat. So it might take 24-hours to get a full 4-hours of wind on testing.

Additionally, scale testing is not the same as full-scale. Simply put the air does different things on smaller objects. Look at RC planes and the airfoils they use for example, then scale that up and you do not get the same handling. Scale remote cars use more of a scoop for a wing compared to an actual airfoil, while they may run 100mph that same airfoil shape will not produce the downforce needed. But I described it in a horrible nutshell, there is plenty of info out there on it all. Of course the F1 teams no all this, and they are constantly comparing the wind tunnel data to what the get on the track to make it all more accurate. So the experience they have leads them to more accurate scale testing. If I made any sense at all, not sure, still getting over surgery.

If you 're referring to the straight-line test substitute yeah sure they can, it 'd be dumb to trade real conditions for lab conditions though, and they are limited to wind-on tests if they do (meaning no angle tests that would give them better data than straightline runs)

Repco von Brabham

Feb 11 2010, 01:30

QUOTE (ezequiel @ Feb 10 2010, 19:25)

Felipe McGough talked to Corsa today. He clearified he never talked to anyone from the Hoy newspaper (which was known in La Plata some time ago for lying too much). He says the team is in schedule to make the crash test between february 15th and 18th, and, if it is succesful, they will start testing on february 20th (thou I guess that, if they finally make the crash test on 18th I don't think they would be able to test on 20th, perhaps some days later). "Nothing has been changed from the original schedule" said McGough, and clearify that they (well, López) don't have any reason right now to have some sort of "prevention" about the team not making it to Bahrein. But if they failed the crash test, that will change things, McGough admits.

And more..,

The USF1 car is ready for the Crash-Test
The test will makes in England, between the February 15th and 18th
See the Link:
http://www.thef1.com/noticias/noticias-201...a-el-crash-test

Like the Big Diego said: "You all have it well inside"...

Talryyn

Feb 11 2010, 01:54

QUOTE (Repco von Brabham @ Feb 10 2010, 19:30)

And more..,

The USF1 car is ready for the Crash-Test
The test will makes in England, between the February 15th and 18th
See the Link:
http://www.thef1.com/noticias/noticias-201...a-el-crash-test

Like the Big Diego said: "You all have it well inside"...

Why are we getting more data from him than anyone? Did someone already gag PW and KA?

I am going to guess with my limited knowledge that it will probably take a few days to run the tests? I am sure the lab has other projects, plus prep would have to be done between front, side and rear tests?

More than anything, are they taking CompositeKen with them to glue things up if anything breaks off that should not?

dajwalia

Feb 11 2010, 01:58

QUOTE (Repco von Brabham @ Feb 11 2010, 02:30)

And more..,

The USF1 car is ready for the Crash-Test
The test will makes in England, between the February 15th and 18th
See the Link:
http://www.thef1.com/noticias/noticias-201...a-el-crash-test

Like the Big Diego said: "You all have it well inside"...

Excellent news. I am sure they know what the test parameters are and would have somehow tested (simulated or real) inhouse as well. Keeping fingers crossed.