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eimin
QUOTE (dajwalia @ Feb 11 2010, 01:58) *
Excellent news. I am sure they know what the test parameters are and would have somehow tested (simulated or real) inhouse as well. Keeping fingers crossed.


its the same old news from Felipe Mc Gough.... i think its only a wish expression..
rmac923
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 10 2010, 20:54) *
Why are we getting more data from him than anyone? Did someone already gag PW and KA?

I am going to guess with my limited knowledge that it will probably take a few days to run the tests? I am sure the lab has other projects, plus prep would have to be done between front, side and rear tests?

More than anything, are they taking CompositeKen with them to glue things up if anything breaks off that should not?


Argentina cares more about USF1 than... the United States! Seriously, during the off season, other than the occasional mention on Speed Report (weekly motorsport recap show), there is little mention of F1.

redevil
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 10 2010, 15:10) *
redevil: Thanks for your very insighful posts rolleyes.gif

But could you please use the multiquote function and not post a single reply to each post smile.gif


Hi DFV, I assumed you read them too. I'll try to do better job in the future. Thank you for your suggestion.
redevil
QUOTE (luskiiimj @ Feb 10 2010, 17:54) *
As far as this thread goes, I give up.

But I still think many of you are well wide of the mark. I think the evidence says that USF1 are trying to make Bahrain, and probably will. But it looks like a bunch of you would rather just bash. So I bow out. Cheers


My dear luskiiimj, you mentioned the word "evidence". All the skepticism in this thread is just about that: where is the evidence that actually physically shows that USF1 has made a F1 car ready or almost ready to race? As you may konw the answer is: nowhere to be found, seen, heard. F1 is a very loud and spectacular sport, where the images and sounds of these beautiful cars keep everybody super excited, So far USF1 has shown none of that. Sorry.
eimin
this is a new picture published today at corsaonline.com.ar
Felipe Mc Gough, JML and the unnamed person..

redevil
QUOTE (dajwalia @ Feb 10 2010, 19:03) *
Post from an optimist: (yes i know all about the problems with the late crash test and resource crunch and everything that can go wrong, but still ...)

In an interview to Joe Saward late last year Ken Andersen mentions a lot, something that drew my attention was ...

1) thanks to existing teams for releasing their employees early to join USF1.
2) three- and five-axis CNC machines; we have a composite shop with autoclaves and a 24-foot CNC cutting table; a complete fab shop; assembly and sub-assembly.
3) there are some departments we don’t have to have in-house, such as a wind tunnel, shaker rig, K&C machine, additional CFD support and a center of gravity machine.

Third point goes to the posters who do not see much in the factory. Yes, there might be a lot of things missing there because many things would be outsourced from supplier until the factory in Charlotte gets upto speed. A few more points from a postive angle ...

4) JLo's manager confirms crash test week. JLo has Argentian govt behind him, they would definitely have not been involved if there really was no car in sight.
5) Windshear is being talked about a lot and is listed as a technical partner. When they start utilizing their windtunnels (hopefully in 2010 sometime) that facility is ranked as one of the top wind tunnels facility (with 100% models, conveyor belt and speeds over 180mph) and majority of top f1 teams have had atleast one or more test over there. So whenever that is realized for USF1, it would be a tremendous boost.

Does this mean they will be on time and within 107% (old rule). No, absolutely not. All I am trying to say is it is a serious attempt from Ken and Peter and they themselves are realizing now how difficult it can be to build a car and then make it reliable and fast, not to forget paying the bills too.

Keeping fingers crossed smile.gif


Hi, thank you for showing us the positive side of this story. But in my view all your staments do nothing mut making this all story more intriguing. if you have so much equipment and the technical personnel in place, how would you explain the tardiness? USF1 should actually be in pretty good shape. However, ss somebody mentioned earlier, not having a car not passing the crash test does not prevent a team to still produce a car to perfected later on.

As much I appreciate your updates, I still don't see nor hear teh USF1 contender. Do you?
Talryyn
QUOTE (eimin @ Feb 10 2010, 20:59) *
this is a new picture published today at corsaonline.com.ar
Felipe Mc Gough, JML and the unnamed person..


That picture is from November based on what JML is wearing. (No I do not follow his fashion trends) It is just that is the same shirt and jacket that he was wearing when he visited the factory in November, and that is when the took the picture outside the factory by the sign.
redevil
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 10 2010, 16:28) *
People do listen to what you say!



And FWIW, I reckon that if the Concorde really does speak of 'miss more than three and it counts as withdrawing' - then I'd expect it to be in the context of what the teams get paid. Withdraw and you shouldn't expect to be paid for the whole season by Bernie. So you need some way whereby Bernie can make the determination that, regardless of what the team might say, they have withdrawn - and calculate what they should be paid (or not).
The commercial details are going to deal with different needs to those the FIA regs must address.
They could say different things without necessarily being in conflict !


The patest on the subject:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81382
Rasputin
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 11 2010, 04:59) *
That picture is from November based on what JML is wearing. (No I do not follow his fashion trends) It is just that is the same shirt and jacket that he was wearing when he visited the factory in November, and that is when the took the picture outside the factory by the sign.


The bozo on the right has been wearing the same JCPenney shirt an pants, the typical american office-outfit, on just about every photo and video so far.
racepode1
QUOTE (redevil @ Feb 11 2010, 03:03) *
Hi, thank you for showing us the positive side of this story. But in my view all your staments do nothing mut making this all story more intriguing. if you have so much equipment and the technical personnel in place, how would you explain the tardiness? USF1 should actually be in pretty good shape. However, ss somebody mentioned earlier, not having a car not passing the crash test does not prevent a team to still produce a car to perfected later on.

As much I appreciate your updates, I still don't see nor hear teh USF1 contender. Do you?

Easy, In November they sign a Pre contract with pechito, at this point they got 6 Million in Sponsorship (around the money that invest the sponsors in the trhee series he was racing in argentina) Then they guet from National Tourism Secretary other 2 Millions, Windsor suposed to come in Mid December to sign the deal. But in the last days from December one of the Sponsors step back. Felipe MC Gouch was working in Dakar an Has to let it to Find another Sponsor with 1.5 Millions. They found a replacement at the end of January wen windsor come to sign the deal with pechito, this visit was the key to guet that sponsor. Then the whole schedule was modified to the one we all actually know. Between 15 and 20 Crash Test, and Between 20 and 25 Shake Down/ Car test. When Windsor Was in Argentina he Say that the test will be 25 to 28 February.
So the problem is that they spend all money in make a Factory and the needed money for operational purposes was late.
Today USF1 update on twiter was a litle bit more optimistic.
http://twitter.com/ericswarren
The bad new is that Campos Meta sell his team and Now the only chance for stephan is USF1 place.
http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/formula-a...dasdaimot_1/Tes
wdh
Wouldn't it be a nice change if people took the trouble to see whether their 'news' is new?

The same statement from McGough has appeared as "great new news" every time it is picked up by a different country's laziest journos.

The guy has said stuff that isn't very credible.
And he has said it in a single press release.
Has any journalist bothered to check for more detail before printing it?
Not as far as I can tell.

Which is even more disappointing than the posters rushing into this thread with the same old bull, that they have swallowed and rushed to post without bothering to note that the subject has already been done to death.
HoldenRT
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 10 2010, 10:44) *
The Schumacher raped denied a child an autograph made 9 pages in 3 days... I'd say this one here is still well within the acceptable limits.

Okay how about putting it in another perspective... The RB5 was the second best, or best car of 2009. Lots of wins, podiums and second in the championship. On paper going into this season they are the favourites going into 2010. And are one of the big 4 teams to compete in 2010 championship.

RB6 have launched their car and the topic has 11 pages.

USF1 has 90 pages, and the car hasn't even been launched yet.
Gilles12
I personally hope they make it to the grid this year. With steel wishbones so I can PMSL smile.gif
blackonyx4
Just reading some Serbian and Croatian newspapers and they claim that Milos Pavlovic signed the contract for USF1 as a second driver!

Hopefully, this is nothing more than a bad joke.

Bad Google translation
eimin
Campos Saves his team...VW will race it from 2011..
Campos In.. USF1 out???? Stefan GP in?????????
superb move by Bernie...
midgrid
QUOTE (blackonyx4 @ Feb 11 2010, 13:32) *
Just reading some Serbian and Croatian newspapers and they claim that Milos Pavlovic signed the contract for USF1 as a second driver!

Hopefully, this is nothing more than a bad joke.

Bad Google translation


I don't know which would be more surprising: Pavlovic signing for an F1 race drive, or the team that he's signing for not being Stefan.
rmac923
QUOTE (eimin @ Feb 11 2010, 09:31) *
Campos Saves his team...VW will race it from 2011..
Campos In.. USF1 out???? Stefan GP in?????????
superb move by Bernie...


The only way USF1 is out is if they don't arrive in Bahrain (IE: Fail their full-chasis test)

We won't know for sure until next week.
DFV
QUOTE (eimin @ Feb 11 2010, 15:31) *
Campos Saves his team...VW will race it from 2011..
Campos In.. USF1 out???? Stefan GP in?????????
superb move by Bernie...


Apart from the fact the story was just a false rumour from Spain... VW is NOT buying the Campos team according to VW themselves:

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...n_10021106.html

Hans-Joachim Stuck denies the story as does Colin Kolles. Just another Spanish media rumour then rolleyes.gif
Watkins74
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 10 2010, 17:57) *
I pointed out previously that passing crash tests is not a requirement for track testing, But engines, gearbox, wheels and stuff ARE needed for track testing.

When were they going to be at Barber?

That is 100% inaccurate. You cannot test a car that has not passed all the FIA mandated crash tests.
eimin
QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Feb 11 2010, 18:48) *
That is 100% inaccurate. You cannot test a car that has not passed all the FIA mandated crash tests.



so then, we are just 7 days ahead of the confirmation of some CompisiteKen says 5 days ago???
hope he was wrong.. frown.gif
Talryyn
Ok I have a question, the more I think about this, the more I am curious about it. What on earth are they actually looking at, it has no depth, and they are looking down towards the floor. Could this be some sort of mock-up or partial mould for the floor of the car? It does not look like a tub that is for sure.

The image caption says it is a tub, but it looks drastically different from the other tubs they have shown.

Blackie Onassis
QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Feb 11 2010, 09:48) *
That is 100% inaccurate. You cannot test a car that has not passed all the FIA mandated crash tests.


can you cite that specific rule?


Blackie Onassis
has this gallery on the Formula One website been posted?

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/other/2010/430.html

Talryyn
QUOTE (Blackie Onassis @ Feb 11 2010, 14:33) *
has this gallery on the Formula One website been posted?

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/other/2010/430.html

It has some different images compared to the USF1 site. What I find interesting is that the Racecar Engineering site states that they have two autoclaves now, but every image we see shows one (with room for a second). Naturally, I think most of these pictures/videos are older than we might think. The article also talks about them having equipment for crash testing?
DFV
In the "Electrical wiring" video: http://www.usgpe.com/news/in-detail-electr...ing-system.html

Take a look at 2:28. That white thing on top of the tub looks a lot like a model of a steering wheel doesn't it?
JarnoA
QUOTE (Blackie Onassis @ Feb 11 2010, 20:33) *
has this gallery on the Formula One website been posted?

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/other/2010/430.html



They are pictures of Scott Bennett's furniture manufacturing equipment. They may not be able to make an F1 car, but they can make a mean looking coffee table. roflmao.gif

I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone can take a team seriously when their senior designer has a second job designing coffee tables, and they proudly announce this on their web site, along with the fact that Leicestershire is apparently in London.

USF1 have actually managed to make Andrea Moda look professional in comparison.
Talryyn
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 11 2010, 15:12) *
In the "Electrical wiring" video: http://www.usgpe.com/news/in-detail-electr...ing-system.html

Take a look at 2:28. That white thing on top of the tub looks a lot like a model of a steering wheel doesn't it?

Yes you see that thing appear all over the place, as early as the RPM production for SpeedTV before the last GP of the year. You will see it on someone's desk in the background, and then again in some of the other videos.

You also see the aluminium front bulkhead, front and rear uprights (rear in the SpeedTV production noted above, but it is still in the machine being cut), bearing holders I assume (not sure, but they have a ton of them), and enough partial nose cones to support the whole grid.

Interesting videos here of the test center: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRnR1HiN5o...feature=related

Or this one that shows side impact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfnECuWduE8&NR=1
Les
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 11 2010, 19:11) *
Ok I have a question, the more I think about this, the more I am curious about it. What on earth are they actually looking at, it has no depth, and they are looking down towards the floor. Could this be some sort of mock-up or partial mould for the floor of the car? It does not look like a tub that is for sure.

The image caption says it is a tub, but it looks drastically different from the other tubs they have shown.


They want to be in a Shoegaze band really, the Jesus and Mary Chain let themselves go etc etc

Paco
Has anyone noticed any new posts from either of the 2 "insiders" at USGP???
DFV
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Feb 11 2010, 22:17) *
They are pictures of Scott Bennett's furniture manufacturing equipment. They may not be able to make an F1 car, but they can make a mean looking coffee table. roflmao.gif

I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone can take a team seriously when their senior designer has a second job designing coffee tables, and they proudly announce this on their web site, along with the fact that Leicestershire is apparently in London.

USF1 have actually managed to make Andrea Moda look professional in comparison.


So you base your opinion on a team by the hobbies of their senior designer confused.gif roflmao.gif

What is it about designing furniture that makes you unsuitable to work for a F1 team? Other designers have designed watches, bicycles and furniture as well as cars and other stuff. If you are a creative person, as designers often are, why limit your creative energy to just one area?

However I find it hard to take your post seriously, so I choose to believe that you where talking "tongue in cheek" tongue.gif
Talryyn
QUOTE (Paco @ Feb 11 2010, 15:50) *
Has anyone noticed any new posts from either of the 2 "insiders" at USGP???

Nope they are both silent, CompositeKen is missing from action. Anyone look at his history to see when he was last logged?
DFV
QUOTE (Paco @ Feb 11 2010, 22:50) *
Has anyone noticed any new posts from either of the 2 "insiders" at USGP???


They are probably "outsiders" by now, if they ever where "insiders"...

CompositeKen's posts had some claims that didn't add up (like claiming that they had no drawings or tooling to make the tubs, when tubs are clearly present in the videos and pictures - and even if they are just "mock up" tubs, as someone claimed, the drawings would have to be the same. As the guy from Renvale said, the tolerances in the electrical system are so small, having a "mock up" tub made with different drawings would render the whole "mock up" tub unusable. A rather unfortunate miss from CK there...).
Lazarus II
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Feb 11 2010, 16:17) *
They are pictures of Scott Bennett's furniture manufacturing equipment. They may not be able to make an F1 car, but they can make a mean looking coffee table. roflmao.gif

I still find it hard to comprehend how anyone can take a team seriously when their senior designer has a second job designing coffee tables, and they proudly announce this on their web site, along with the fact that Leicestershire is apparently in London.

USF1 have actually managed to make Andrea Moda look professional in comparison.

You either A) didn't take the time to actually view the photos, b) don't know what you're looking at, or c) are just a troll.
Mandzipop
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 11 2010, 21:58) *
Nope they are both silent, CompositeKen is missing from action. Anyone look at his history to see when he was last logged?


Sadly I checked after you said that and they both last had a look in on 7th Feb.
DFV
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 11 2010, 23:00) *
You either A) didn't take the time to actually view the photos, b) don't know what you're looking at, or c) are just a troll.


Or "All of the above" tongue.gif
DFV
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Feb 11 2010, 23:03) *
Sadly I checked after you said that and they both last had a look in on 7th Feb.


So did I blush.gif They are probably one and the same person.

Just remembered that CompositeKen also referred to "the guys in the composite shop" in the third person. Maybe forgetting that he was supposed to be one of them for a moment roflmao.gif When you are making stuff up, it's hard to remember all the little details... tongue.gif
Talryyn
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Feb 11 2010, 16:03) *
Sadly I checked after you said that and they both last had a look in on 7th Feb.

I just did as well, odd that both were last on the 7th. Here is to hoping they find time this weekend, but Peter did say they are working 72 hours per week... Not bad actually, I wish my last job had hours like that, I was touching over 110/week for a three month period, not fun really.
scheivlak
QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Feb 11 2010, 18:48) *
That is 100% inaccurate. You cannot test a car that has not passed all the FIA mandated crash tests.

You can't race with a car that hasn't passed all crash tests, but you can test it - that was at least the case in 2003 when McLaren tested the MP4-18 before it failed at a crash test.
See e.g. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/23574
Menace
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Feb 11 2010, 14:00) *
You either A) didn't take the time to actually view the photos, b) don't know what you're looking at, or c) are just a troll.


I think it's much more probable that he is d) All of the above.

lol.gif
Menace
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 11 2010, 14:08) *
Or "All of the above" tongue.gif


Damn you!!! mad.gif wink.gif
DFV
QUOTE (Menace @ Feb 11 2010, 23:26) *
Damn you!!! mad.gif wink.gif


wave.gif smile.gif
JarnoA
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 11 2010, 21:52) *
So you base your opinion on a team by the hobbies of their senior designer confused.gif roflmao.gif

What is it about designing furniture that makes you unsuitable to work for a F1 team? Other designers have designed watches, bicycles and furniture as well as cars and other stuff. If you are a creative person, as designers often are, why limit your creative energy to just one area?

However I find it hard to take your post seriously, so I choose to believe that you where talking "tongue in cheek" tongue.gif



Check out the USF1 website. Not only is designing furniture a "hobby", it is clearly a means to make ends meet, which is why USF1 advertise his goods on their site.

In addition, is the "American's being crap at geography" a deliberate joke, or do American's really think that Leicestershire is in London?

The team hires a furniture designer as senior designer, then can't even get what county he went to university in!! I mean, didn't they even think to ask him first??

USF1 careers site advert. "Looking for IKEA designers who can pass for graduating in Lon Don, (anywhere in Europe will be good enough, American's won't know the difference between London and Warsaw)." roflmao.gif

Not meaning to take the piss out of American's, rather taking the piss out of USF1's opinion of American's. roflmao.gif

EDIT: For those American's who don't get the Geography thing, calling Leicestershire "in London" is the same as calling Dallas "in New York".
DFV
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Feb 11 2010, 23:30) *
Check out the USF1 website. Not only is designing furniture a "hobby", it is clearly a means to make ends meet, which is why USF1 advertise his goods on their site.

In addition, is the "American's being crap at geography" a deliberate joke, or do American's really think that Leicestershire is in London?

The team hires a furniture designer as senior designer, then can't even get what county he went to university in!! I mean, didn't they even think to ask him first??

USF1 careers site advert. "Looking for IKEA designers who can pass for graduating in Lon Don, (anywhere in Europe will be good enough, American's won't know the difference between London and Warsaw)." roflmao.gif

Not meaning to take the piss out of American's, rather taking the piss out of USF1's opinion of American's. roflmao.gif

EDIT: For those American's who don't get the Geography thing, calling Leicestershire "in London" is the same as calling Dallas "in New York".


Your edit shows how much you know about US geography. A better analogy would be to say that New Jersey was in New York. The distance between Dallas and New York is probably quite a bit longer than the entire length of England, north to south. Your geography knowledge of the US seems to lack a little bit... roflmao.gif
Fox1
I’ve been following this thread for some time and I have to say that I find it disappointing to see the negative sentiment towards USF1. They've given fans more insight into what it takes to build a Formula One car than we will EVER see from the top teams. F1 is a daunting task both technically and-financially. There's a possibility that USF1 will not make the 2010 grid as originally planned, but I for one give them a up.gif up.gif up.gif for their effort and their willingness to share their journey with True F1 fans.
JarnoA
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 11 2010, 22:49) *
Your edit shows how much you know about US geography. A better analogy would be to say that New Jersey was in New York. The distance between Dallas and New York is probably quite a bit longer than the entire length of England, north to south. Your geography knowledge of the US seems to lack a little bit... roflmao.gif


No, because there is something called scale. In actual fact, Leicester is further from London than Dallas from New York if you take scale into account. The US is that much bigger than the UK.

My geography knowledge of the US is pretty good, given the fact that I got married there, have a brother who lived there for the last couple of decades, and worked for a US company based in Houston which unfortunately forced me to travel there too many times.

What do you think would be the US reaction if USF1 claimed someone attended the New York university, university of alabama?

USF1 are treating Americans like we imagine Americans to be. In other words, anything outside of America means nothing to them. Any city in europe is a part of London. Madrid? That's in LON DON isn't it?



Slowinfastout
QUOTE (DFV @ Feb 11 2010, 17:12) *
So did I blush.gif They are probably one and the same person.

Just remembered that CompositeKen also referred to "the guys in the composite shop" in the third person. Maybe forgetting that he was supposed to be one of them for a moment roflmao.gif When you are making stuff up, it's hard to remember all the little details... tongue.gif


You're the one making stuff up... you've settled on the one out of many possible interpretations that makes you feel better inside, both on the drawings & tooling stuff and his username.

Pretty lame if you ask me as it is obvious you can't know for sure.
Les
QUOTE (Fox1 @ Feb 11 2010, 23:21) *
They've given fans more insight into what it takes to build a Formula One car than we will EVER see from the top teams.


To be fair it would probably be better if fans gave USF1 an insight into how to build an F1 car.
spacepig
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Feb 11 2010, 15:30) *
Check out the USF1 website. Not only is designing furniture a "hobby", it is clearly a means to make ends meet, which is why USF1 advertise his goods on their site.


And Nick Wirth was designing robotic dogs up until a couple years ago. I'm sorry to hear your brain has insufficient capacity to master more than one skill, but don't assume that's true of everyone else.
William Hunt
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Feb 12 2010, 02:26) *
USF1 are treating Americans like we imagine Americans to be. In other words, anything outside of America means nothing to them. Any city in europe is a part of London. Madrid? That's in LON DON isn't it?


Up until last year I worked for Americans for several years as Sales Manager EMEA and had to visit the HQ in New York several times. I'm glad I don't work for them anymore because the difference in culture and especially behaviour (which tended to be very very ignorant) was huge with constant conflicts between the European & US office. But anyway; I fully agree with your point about their geography. Most of them can't even point out countries on a world map and they just seem to think that Europe is just one big region.

I could give multiple examples of that but to mentione some: my American colleagues were constantly referring to Belgium as Brussels and even said our European office was in Brussels although it wasn't located even near Brussels. They also always said Amsterdam to the Netherlands and to cities like Maastricht (near Germany), Rotterdam or Utrecht they always called it Amsterdam. There also was a colleague who tried to pay a taxi in Belgium with dollars (how arrogant to think you can pay with dollars anywhere) and another one who was so surprised that people speak different languages in Europe ('why don't they just speak English' he said). There was another colleague who thought that the city of Brugges (Brugge) was some kind of a funfair amusement park. And these were suppose to be educated people... At the time I thought that was very anoying.

And on London: once I had to visit a customer on a trade show in Birmingham, UK. My American boss was visiting London at that time and asked me to come over to where she was. She thought Birmingham was like 5 minutes from London. On another occasion I had to drive all the way from Hannover (Germany) to Paris because my American boss was there and wanted to meet with me; I think I drove something like 9 hours at full speed in one go to get there. She didn't even want to believe me when I told her the distance was too big; she thought everything located in Europe couldn't be far from Paris. I'm really sorry for any American who reads this but Americans can sometimes be so incredibly stupid.

Their knowledge of history is just as poor and doesn't go much further than the history of the USA. To give an example: I had to explain my US boss the difference between WW1 and WW2. At the time I thought it was shocking that I had to explain something something that even little children from primary school know in Europe to someone who graduated on a US university...

But even worse was that during a holliday in S-East Asia I once met an American of +- 35 years old who claimed that Spain was in South-America (he was from Texas and probably first time outside the US). When I told him 'no Spain is in Europe' he simply replied 'no Spain is in South-America because they speak Spanish in S.-America'. I wouldn't say those kind of situations with Americans are a rule but they are certainly no exception.

On USF1: I really want to see a US F1 team on the grid but if they operate or communicate even remotely like the American company that I worked for then it will be a huge farce and looking at what we've seen so far from USF1 they will look ridiculous.

PS: no offence intende on US users of this forum. My girlfriend is in fact American (born in Boston) so I have nothing against Americans but did have very negative working experience with them and I really don't like to generalise but unfortunately the negative experiences outnumber the positive ones for me.
spacepig
QUOTE (William Hunt @ Feb 11 2010, 16:41) *
snip


Off topic, but the American education system has been on a steady downward path for at least 20 years. We are producing a nation of idiots. What's worse, we have begun celebrating our ignorance as a strength. Sorry you had a bad experience here.
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