QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 14:26) 
Why would you move out months after investing $620,000?
Roaches? I bet it's roaches.
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Roaches? I bet it's roaches.
Well.. they're not making it, are they?
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 09:26)
So as Saward says, they're either in deep shit, or they're moving to Europe, which makes they're subcontracting in Charlotte model redundant, or moving in with one of their sub-contractors.
Not good.
Why would you move out months after investing $620,000?
Not good.
Why would you move out months after investing $620,000?
Err, who actually owns the building?
This might be completely irrelevant to USF1, them being tenants.. if they don't own the place already this is a massive bleh of a story.
Like it's a surprise USF1 could do with more money, too...
Perhaps they can't pay the rent, if they're indeed renting...
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 14:26)
So as Saward says, they're either in deep shit, or they're moving to Europe, which makes they're subcontracting in Charlotte model redundant, or moving in with one of their sub-contractors.
Not good.
Why would you move out months after investing $620,000?
Not good.
Why would you move out months after investing $620,000?
Anyone saying that the sale of the freehold indicates that USF1 are moving out is seriously devaluing their journalistic credibility. Saward!
Part of the attraction of the sale is that USF1 have contracted to pay rent for five years.
Though that assumes 1/ that they still exist and 2/ that they have enough moneyy for the rent.
I fear the landlord, if he was hoping to sell with a credible tenant in place, might just have left it a month or two too late.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 09:32)
Perhaps they can't pay the rent, if they're indeed renting...
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$620,000 in building renovations by tenant in 2009. Leased through June 2014.
Sure looks like they are renting. If they aren't paying the rent then maybe Saward can do another article on that?
jeez... and to think I'm usually the doom merchant around here lol
Two things:
1. Saward mustn't know much about commercial real estate, b/c it doesn't effect USF1 for all the reasons others have already stated.
2. It's a real shame USF1 hasn't followed through on the "cameras in the factory" promise. The last couple of weeks would have been great - exactly the kind of thing they were touting - making an F1 car and under huge time pressure. Even if they failed at everything else, it would have been a lasting contribution in my book. So, that's one failure I will book.
1. Saward mustn't know much about commercial real estate, b/c it doesn't effect USF1 for all the reasons others have already stated.
2. It's a real shame USF1 hasn't followed through on the "cameras in the factory" promise. The last couple of weeks would have been great - exactly the kind of thing they were touting - making an F1 car and under huge time pressure. Even if they failed at everything else, it would have been a lasting contribution in my book. So, that's one failure I will book.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 16 2010, 14:31)
This might be completely irrelevant to USF1, them being tenants.. if they don't own the place already this is a massive bleh of a story.
The real estate PDF isn't very specific..
On the one hand it says:
* New tenant is completely renovating the space to Formula 1 standards.
On the other it says:
* Home to Robby Gordon Motorsports, BAM Racing and Team US F1
The first point sounds like they've got an ongoing tennant, the second sounds like they're talking about past tennants.
QUOTE (angst @ Feb 16 2010, 08:14)
Just to add something here, similar to something I've added to another thread. Of all the potential new teams, just do a quick google search on them. Virgin racing and Lotus F1 come up with the goods; strong, professional sites with plenty of sponsor logos, news etc. They look like professional outfits. Campos Meta has the beginnings of site, but it seems to have lain dormant for some time; no news, no updates... Stefan GP has a pretty amateurish site which babbles giddily about "Stefan GP makes history", without there being any real news (even their allegedly passing the crash test was an internally funded 'independent' check - nothing to do with the FIA) - no sponsors etc. As for USF1...? Nothing. Nada.
I might suggest that the web-sites very adequately reflect the reality of each of the teams. Virgin racing and Lotus F1 are professional, well planned businesses (no coincidence that they have released their cars to the press and have, or will very shortly, be out testing with the ther teams). Campos had a reasonable business plan, but it seems to have gone horribly wrong somewhere along the line. Stefan GP is simply the wish-fulfilment of a very wealthy man, with no real structure behind it. And USF1 are nowhere.
can you please share the lotus f1 official site. A simple google search on lotus f1 team official website did not yield any results. There is however an official fan site which comes up #1 on the search results. I might suggest that the web-sites very adequately reflect the reality of each of the teams. Virgin racing and Lotus F1 are professional, well planned businesses (no coincidence that they have released their cars to the press and have, or will very shortly, be out testing with the ther teams). Campos had a reasonable business plan, but it seems to have gone horribly wrong somewhere along the line. Stefan GP is simply the wish-fulfilment of a very wealthy man, with no real structure behind it. And USF1 are nowhere.
this is what will happen when they realize they just cannot deliver:
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/american-c...ome-chairs.html
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/american-c...ome-chairs.html
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 16 2010, 09:32)
I fear the landlord, if he was hoping to sell with a credible tenant in place, might just have left it a month or two too late.
It's time to sell while Windsor is still saying they're going to make it lol.. in a couple of weeks that place might be worth a lot less.
QUOTE (Messi10 @ Feb 16 2010, 14:34)
can you please share the lotus f1 official site. A simple google search on lotus f1 team official website did not yield any results. There is however an official fan site which comes up #1 on the search results.
I think that fan site is the offical website
http://www.lotusracing.my/
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Formula 1 Race Shop - Five-year NNN lease 33,690 Sq. Ft. in immaculate condition. 100% air conditioned and heated. $620,000 in building renovations by tenant in 2009. Leased through June 2014. 9.1% cap rate.
Its a lease.
The tenant (a certain F1 team) has renovated it.
We just learned that was where $620,000 went to ....
QUOTE (angst @ Feb 16 2010, 08:14)
Just to add something here, similar to something I've added to another thread. Of all the potential new teams, just do a quick google search on them. Virgin racing and Lotus F1 come up with the goods; strong, professional sites with plenty of sponsor logos, news etc. They look like professional outfits. Campos Meta has the beginnings of site, but it seems to have lain dormant for some time; no news, no updates... Stefan GP has a pretty amateurish site which babbles giddily about "Stefan GP makes history", without there being any real news (even their allegedly passing the crash test was an internally funded 'independent' check - nothing to do with the FIA) - no sponsors etc. As for USF1...? Nothing. Nada.
I might suggest that the web-sites very adequately reflect the reality of each of the teams. Virgin racing and Lotus F1 are professional, well planned businesses (no coincidence that they have released their cars to the press and have, or will very shortly, be out testing with the ther teams). Campos had a reasonable business plan, but it seems to have gone horribly wrong somewhere along the line. Stefan GP is simply the wish-fulfilment of a very wealthy man, with no real structure behind it. And USF1 are nowhere.
I might suggest that the web-sites very adequately reflect the reality of each of the teams. Virgin racing and Lotus F1 are professional, well planned businesses (no coincidence that they have released their cars to the press and have, or will very shortly, be out testing with the ther teams). Campos had a reasonable business plan, but it seems to have gone horribly wrong somewhere along the line. Stefan GP is simply the wish-fulfilment of a very wealthy man, with no real structure behind it. And USF1 are nowhere.
can you please share with us the official lutus f1 team site. A simple google search only provides the official fan site.
QUOTE (Messi10 @ Feb 16 2010, 09:39)
can you please share with us the official lutus f1 team site. A simple google search only provides the official fan site.
....which is the actual official website of the team.
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 16 2010, 14:39)
Its a lease.
The tenant (a certain F1 team) has renovated it.
We just learned that was where $620,000 went to ....
The tenant (a certain F1 team) has renovated it.
We just learned that was where $620,000 went to ....
So no big deal then?
USF1 still have a roof over their heads.
Which is probably the lease of their troubles.
I meant, least.
I guess they are looking for short term cash injection. Or seeking to reduce the depth created by the factory investments. These are both incase USF1 owns the factory or they have someone invested on them and got the same idea that selling the property can be the best way to go next.
QUOTE (Messi10 @ Feb 16 2010, 08:34)
can you please share the lotus f1 official site. A simple google search on lotus f1 team official website did not yield any results. There is however an official fan site which comes up #1 on the search results.
I think it is on page 10 or something, just keep looking..
http://www.lotusracing.my/
They do need some SEO help it would seem.
On the positive side, if the press starts to make a fuss about the USF1 building being for sale, it might force Windsor out of his reclusive silence. We could do with our regular dose of BS! 
QUOTE (Xaus @ Feb 16 2010, 09:40)
....which is the actual official website of the team.
thanks - I was misguided by the words fan site. It's quite unusual to for an official team site to have that, at least I have not seen that before. Whereas you have a lot of team's fan sites which are not associated with the team at all. I thought this was one of these.
and by the way since when is bridgestone sponsoring any team in particular? They are listed on the sponsor list for lotus.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 08:40)
So no big deal then?
USF1 still have a roof over their heads.
Which is probably the lease of their troubles.
I meant, least.
USF1 still have a roof over their heads.
Which is probably the lease of their troubles.
I meant, least.
Where were you 10-pages ago? Did you take the day off?
No big deal, completely normal. To keep it short, it is smarter to sell your building when you have a signed lease (to 2014 in this case) over a building that has been empty for a few years. The current owner has lost money while the building sat empty, so now they have a lease, and can sell the property for the current market value which is surely higher than it was when the built or bought it. While it sits empty you are still paying taxes, maybe utilities unless they cut them off completely, etc.
USF1 could care less about this now, unless the new owner tries to raise the rent in 2014. The NNN (triple-net) that you see, simply means that USF1 is responsible as well for things like security, water, mowing the grass, electricity, etc (again just being vague). Some leases are nice and you do not have to pay for security separately (you still pay, it is just rolled into the price, not a separate bill), just for example.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 16 2010, 08:50)
On the positive side, if the press starts to make a fuss about the USF1 building being for sale, it might force Windsor out of his reclusive silence. We could do with our regular dose of BS!
First they have to find PW, I hear he is chasing Senna all over the place with monopoly money.
It is good that Hurley seems to have imposed a gagging order on Windsor, every time the guy opened his mouth he damaged USF1's reputation
Get rid of the twat and put Eric Warren in charge, he seems professional
Get rid of the twat and put Eric Warren in charge, he seems professional
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Feb 16 2010, 09:06)
It is good that Hurley seems to have imposed a gagging order on Windsor, every time the guy opened his mouth he damaged USF1's reputation
Get rid of the twat and put Eric Warren in charge, he seems professional
Get rid of the twat and put Eric Warren in charge, he seems professional
Agree, I like Warren, good resume, seems to be un-padded.
In other related news - CompositeKen is back, or is it now David: See the posts under facebook just fans. http://www.facebook.com/USF1Team Do they seem familiar?
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 14:40)
So no big deal then?
USF1 still have a roof over their heads.
Which is probably the lease of their troubles.
I meant, least.
USF1 still have a roof over their heads.
Which is probably the lease of their troubles.
I meant, least.
No trouble.
This is how it works in real estate;
You buy a crappy property.
You attract a tenant and maybe offer them a bit of cash to tart the place up (or maybe a rent free period) as an inducement.
They agree to stay there for five years and pay rent
You sell the now tenanted property for a lot more cash because you're selling on a guaranteed income stream with no inherent issues to an investor.
The building I work in was once owned by the company I pretend to work for, but was sold on to a party which became our landlord and then was subsequently sold on twice more.
This story is nothing to do with USF1 and all to do with the way the property market works.
Yup, that 'fan site' is confusing all right, it caught me up too.
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 16 2010, 10:08)
In other related news - CompositeKen is back, or is it now David: See the posts under facebook just fans. http://www.facebook.com/USF1Team Do they seem familiar?
He pretty much admitted he just copy/pasted the CompositeKen stuff... he says he works in a hotel..
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Feb 16 2010, 09:08)
No trouble.
This is how it works in real estate;
You buy a crappy property.
You attract a tenant and maybe offer them a bit of cash to tart the place up (or maybe a rent free period) as an inducement.
They agree to stay there for five years and pay rent
You sell the now tenanted property for a lot more cash because you're selling on a guaranteed income stream with no inherent issues to an investor.
The building I work in was once owned by the company I pretend to work for, but was sold on to a party which became our landlord and then was subsequently sold on twice more.
This story is nothing to do with USF1 and all to do with the way the property market works.
This is how it works in real estate;
You buy a crappy property.
You attract a tenant and maybe offer them a bit of cash to tart the place up (or maybe a rent free period) as an inducement.
They agree to stay there for five years and pay rent
You sell the now tenanted property for a lot more cash because you're selling on a guaranteed income stream with no inherent issues to an investor.
The building I work in was once owned by the company I pretend to work for, but was sold on to a party which became our landlord and then was subsequently sold on twice more.
This story is nothing to do with USF1 and all to do with the way the property market works.
Exactly. The story is a non-story. And, frankly, Saward ought to know better.
CompositeKen has hit the big time news now: http://www.blogf1.it/2010/02/16/brutte-not...etto-e-fallito/
It is proud day when a forum thread sparks the media to report on a forum thread!!!
It is proud day when a forum thread sparks the media to report on a forum thread!!!
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Feb 16 2010, 15:08)
...
In other related news - CompositeKen is back, or is it now David: See the posts under facebook just fans. http://www.facebook.com/USF1Team Do they seem familiar?
In other related news - CompositeKen is back, or is it now David: See the posts under facebook just fans. http://www.facebook.com/USF1Team Do they seem familiar?
"David" seems to be covering VERY much the same ground as CompositeKen.
Only he's doing it in the last hour.
I think the lack of NEW news from 'David' makes him look like a sad troll.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 16 2010, 15:14)
He pretty much admitted he just copy/pasted the CompositeKen stuff... he says he works in a hotel..
Didn't spot that - thanks!
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 16 2010, 09:20)
Didn't spot that - thanks!
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He does say that he walked around the building, that it was dusty, no receptionist to greet him, some clueless guy that knew nothing was all he found. Well let me post the whole thing - David Ward just because I work at a hotel doesn't mean I am disconnected. look I drove up to charlotte last week just for shits and giggles. I found the USF1 shop its TINY. Robby Gordon has a shop 3x larger a block away in the same industrial buisness park. I walk in and its dusty, not clean, no receptionist at the desk. I wanered around for 5 minutes before I was noticed and then it was by a guy that didn't even work there and had no idea about anything...unless I see tangible evidence to the contrary this team is turning into a joke quickl
So at least we know PW was there!
OK let me tell you this. CompositeKen is a twat, he is plotting to take the boat.
I would not believe a cent on what he is saying.
Who goes public if the man is integrated in the team? None, I would say.
Therefore I suspect, strongly, that Composite Ken is a mol who plots the complete reorder of the shop.
I am a super minority, but I shout.
Go for it, Peter Windsor, go for it Ken Anderson. Bahrain is closer than CompositeKen writes about.
All of this for my 2 cents worth, actually.
I would not believe a cent on what he is saying.
Who goes public if the man is integrated in the team? None, I would say.
Therefore I suspect, strongly, that Composite Ken is a mol who plots the complete reorder of the shop.
I am a super minority, but I shout.
Go for it, Peter Windsor, go for it Ken Anderson. Bahrain is closer than CompositeKen writes about.
All of this for my 2 cents worth, actually.
Cheerleading is fine, but it's interesting to see the strong views of CompositeKen not being factually refuted.
Can't believe someone used a computer to express his frustration and tell about the general status of the team? Okay... I mean who cares?
I have no reason to dismiss what he said myself, so I wait for 'the truth'..
Can't believe someone used a computer to express his frustration and tell about the general status of the team? Okay... I mean who cares?
I have no reason to dismiss what he said myself, so I wait for 'the truth'..
Bahrain closer? That can't be a good thing for them.
Oh, and nearly 100 pages. Big party time!
Oh, and nearly 100 pages. Big party time!
QUOTE (One @ Feb 16 2010, 15:33)
OK let me tell you this. CompositeKen is a twat, he is plotting to take the boat.
I would not believe a cent on what he is saying.
Who goes public if the man is integrated in the team? None, I would say.
Therefore I suspect, strongly, that Composite Ken is a mol who plots the complete reorder of the shop.
...
I would not believe a cent on what he is saying.
Who goes public if the man is integrated in the team? None, I would say.
Therefore I suspect, strongly, that Composite Ken is a mol who plots the complete reorder of the shop.
...
I find CompositeKen quite plausible.
Thus far, I can't think of anything he has been proven to have fantasised.
Doesn't mean he must be telling 100% truth.
Just that he's not been proved wrong yet. So he's still plausible.
David is a bit strange.
He feels like a let-down fan who took the invitation to 'drop in'.
And enough of a prat to copy/paste CompositeKen's stuff onto USF1's own 'space. Well, a prat not to have started by saying that was what he was doing.
Nothing quite like lobbing in a smoke grenade to flush them out!
Wonder how long it'll take before USF1 notices what's happening on its 'space?
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Feb 16 2010, 10:08)
No trouble.
This is how it works in real estate;
You buy a crappy property in the best neighborhood you can afford.
You attract a tenant and never offer them a bit of cash to tart the place up (or maybe a rent free period) as an inducement.
They agree to stay there for five years and pay rent
You sell the now tenanted property for a lot more cash because you're selling on a guaranteed income stream with no inherent issues to an investor.
The building I work in was once owned by the company I pretend to work for, but was sold on to a party which became our landlord and then was subsequently sold on twice more.
This story is nothing to do with USF1 and all to do with the way the property market works.
This is how it works in real estate;
You buy a crappy property in the best neighborhood you can afford.
You attract a tenant and never offer them a bit of cash to tart the place up (or maybe a rent free period) as an inducement.
They agree to stay there for five years and pay rent
You sell the now tenanted property for a lot more cash because you're selling on a guaranteed income stream with no inherent issues to an investor.
The building I work in was once owned by the company I pretend to work for, but was sold on to a party which became our landlord and then was subsequently sold on twice more.
This story is nothing to do with USF1 and all to do with the way the property market works.
I fixed it for you
To sum up - always buy the worst property in the best neighborhood. It attracts the growing family/company that needs to be either seen or do business in that echelon of people/companies. This stops you from having to offer incentives, as the incentive is to work/live with these neighbors.
Hard to believe Saward fell into this total non-story.
Can anyone imagine the collector's-value of that USF1 nose-cone, once this farce is all over?
Oh shit, they broke that nose, didn't they?
Raz
Oh shit, they broke that nose, didn't they?
Raz
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 16 2010, 09:46)
I find CompositeKen quite plausible.
Thus far, I can't think of anything he has been proven to have fantasised.
Doesn't mean he must be telling 100% truth.
Just that he's not been proved wrong yet. So he's still plausible.
David is a bit strange.
He feels like a let-down fan who took the invitation to 'drop in'.
And enough of a prat to copy/paste CompositeKen's stuff onto USF1's own 'space. Well, a prat not to have started by saying that was what he was doing.
Nothing quite like lobbing in a smoke grenade to flush them out!
Wonder how long it'll take before USF1 notices what's happening on its 'space?
Thus far, I can't think of anything he has been proven to have fantasised.
Doesn't mean he must be telling 100% truth.
Just that he's not been proved wrong yet. So he's still plausible.
David is a bit strange.
He feels like a let-down fan who took the invitation to 'drop in'.
And enough of a prat to copy/paste CompositeKen's stuff onto USF1's own 'space. Well, a prat not to have started by saying that was what he was doing.
Nothing quite like lobbing in a smoke grenade to flush them out!
Wonder how long it'll take before USF1 notices what's happening on its 'space?
Maybe I should call them again and tell them to check the fan updates? Wonder if she will start to recognize my voice and start hanging up.. lol On a serious note I only called once, not like I am stalking them for information. That is David's job!
@ Raz - don't worry they made at least three that I can count. So one is yours!
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 16 2010, 10:46)
I find CompositeKen quite plausible.
Thus far, I can't think of anything he has been proven to have fantasised.
Doesn't mean he must be telling 100% truth.
Just that he's not been proved wrong yet. So he's still plausible.
David is a bit strange.
He feels like a let-down fan who took the invitation to 'drop in'.
And enough of a prat to copy/paste CompositeKen's stuff onto USF1's own 'space. Well, a prat not to have started by saying that was what he was doing.
Nothing quite like lobbing in a smoke grenade to flush them out!
Wonder how long it'll take before USF1 notices what's happening on its 'space?
Thus far, I can't think of anything he has been proven to have fantasised.
Doesn't mean he must be telling 100% truth.
Just that he's not been proved wrong yet. So he's still plausible.
David is a bit strange.
He feels like a let-down fan who took the invitation to 'drop in'.
And enough of a prat to copy/paste CompositeKen's stuff onto USF1's own 'space. Well, a prat not to have started by saying that was what he was doing.
Nothing quite like lobbing in a smoke grenade to flush them out!
Wonder how long it'll take before USF1 notices what's happening on its 'space?
The whole issue regarding pay - labor boards are NOT to be messed with. They are NO JOKE. There's is a NO BS game that has many companies living in fear. I don't buy into the bullshit about 'well if I call I shut them down'. Reality Check - if you don't get paid you get moved out onto the street. This isn't California where it might take a year, this is North Carolina where you arse hits the street with you wife and kids.....you remember your wife? she'd be the one screaming at you about where your paycheck is .........honey
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 12:39)
Easy now. I see this if your first post. Read the forum rules about insults. That includes insulting an entire group!
...Hang on, and who designed the 2007 STR? Not STR!
...Hang on, and who designed the 2007 STR? Not STR!
Insults? That's funny. Take a look at the opinions expressed on this thread about the two principles of the USF1 team. Nearly every comment
is a baseless invective about these two guys. Insults about them ranging from brainless, to inept. And yet all based on fluff, gossip and speculation. The forum rules seem to be bending in several directions. All I'm suggesting here is that these contributors take a step back and consider what they're sounding like to those who may not agree with their speculation. Nevertheless, if I offended any mincing gossipers I apologize.
As for STR's lack of testing going into '07, my point was, they didn't test. And they did fine. The reason no one complained or speculated about their readiness, is because, as I recall, Berger blamed everything on their drivers. Including, not being ready for testing. Hilarious. I think your point about STR not developing their own chassis works in USF1's defense; USF1 have had to start from scratch. STR had a chassis ready-made.
P
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They can easily do a test session at Miller Barber Motorsports Park in MS
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/02/16/us-f...charlotte-base/
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US F1 has refuted rumours it is selling its F1 base in the USA.
The building the team operates from in Charlotte, North Carolina has appeared for sale prompting fresh speculation about the future of the team.
A US F1 spokesperson explained the team are tenants in the property and the owners have put the site up for sale, which will not affect their use of it as a base for their F1 programme this year.
The spokesperson added: “US F1 Team has a long term lease at the building, so no worries there. It is absolutely US F1 Team’s intention to compete this season.”
According to the property advert the team spent $620,000 (£395,000) on renovations to the site last year and have leased it until June 2014.
The building the team operates from in Charlotte, North Carolina has appeared for sale prompting fresh speculation about the future of the team.
A US F1 spokesperson explained the team are tenants in the property and the owners have put the site up for sale, which will not affect their use of it as a base for their F1 programme this year.
The spokesperson added: “US F1 Team has a long term lease at the building, so no worries there. It is absolutely US F1 Team’s intention to compete this season.”
According to the property advert the team spent $620,000 (£395,000) on renovations to the site last year and have leased it until June 2014.
DMN - its as we said, its a non-story. Saward seems under-informed about property.
The interesting bit is that USF1 have responded.
The interesting bit is that USF1 have responded.
QUOTE (pgman @ Feb 16 2010, 15:55)
Insults? That's funny. Take a look at the opinions expressed on this thread about the two principles of the USF1 team. Nearly every comment
is a baseless invective about these two guys. Insults about them ranging from brainless, to inept. And yet all based on fluff, gossip and speculation.
is a baseless invective about these two guys. Insults about them ranging from brainless, to inept. And yet all based on fluff, gossip and speculation.
I hear you, but the rules say participants in F1 are fair game for critisicm but other posters are not.
Anyway...
QUOTE (pgman @ Feb 16 2010, 15:55)
As for STR's lack of testing going into '07, my point was, they didn't test. And they did fine.
Sure, but I don't think you're comparing apples with apples.
The first STR was build with the designs of a car which had raced an entire season (the 05 Red Bull), with a proven engine and an extremely experienced race team, and a couple of drivers with plenty of testing experience.
Not testing might have hindered them ever so slightly, but STR's baseline was much higher.
USF1 is starting from the position of having a brand new design which hasn't seen a road let alone racetrack, built by a factory which has never built an F1 car before, by a team of designers with mosty unproven credentials, driven by a complete novice (perhaps two) and run at race weekends by a race team which has never operated together at a race before.
QUOTE (pgman @ Feb 16 2010, 10:55)
Insults about them ranging from brainless, to inept. And yet all based on fluff, gossip and speculation.
In early January (on the 8th I think), Windsor told us he has going to announce his drivers (plural) very soon.. plus, and more importantly, he said the plan was to TEST the car in early February.
Now, what the hell could have happened in a month that should even put the participation at Bahrain into question?
I'll tell you something... the EASIEST explanation is that Windsor was bullshitting us all along.. otherwise, you have to start to sway into the incompetent management issues, the delays cause by technical glitches and basically what the unloved possible insider has posted here..
What is the reason for the car being SO damn late compared to what was planned 1 month ago?
QUOTE (wdh @ Feb 16 2010, 16:05)
DMN - its as we said, its a non-story. Saward seems under-informed about property.
The interesting bit is that USF1 have responded.
The interesting bit is that USF1 have responded.
Oh yeah, I know its a non-story now. I just thought it was interesting we actually have a bit of 'human communication' from USF1.
Yup so Windsor and Anderson surelyknows wat was said in the name of CompositeKen.
Any boss needs authorty. There are always those who wants to revel with no long term idea on risk management.
Even though it might have good intentions in it, the voice like compositeKen invites instability to the organization for which many other members might risk thier time being lost. This was said immediately after the post. So this was dealt.
There is no time to do such media thingy, I am assuming, for which the credibility of USF1 in public is worsening day by day. Now every singleperson on this forum think that we will hear tomorrow that USF1 will not make it.
Hell I do think that if USF1 make themselves ready at the Bahrain grid, they will have great responsibility not to bring the sport in dispute.
Any boss needs authorty. There are always those who wants to revel with no long term idea on risk management.
Even though it might have good intentions in it, the voice like compositeKen invites instability to the organization for which many other members might risk thier time being lost. This was said immediately after the post. So this was dealt.
There is no time to do such media thingy, I am assuming, for which the credibility of USF1 in public is worsening day by day. Now every singleperson on this forum think that we will hear tomorrow that USF1 will not make it.
Hell I do think that if USF1 make themselves ready at the Bahrain grid, they will have great responsibility not to bring the sport in dispute.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Feb 16 2010, 16:12)
I'll tell you something... the EASIEST explanation is that Windsor was bullshitting us all along.. otherwise, you have to start to sway into the incompetent management issues, the delays cause by technical glitches and basically what the unloved possible insider has posted here..
I don't for a second doubt Windsor's intention and desire to make this team work.
Personally I think they were hanging out for Lopez and his cash.
Now they (probably) have his first payment, they can start putting that money to work.
But having one, let alone two, cars in Bahrain seems a tall order indeed.
And one smash in practice and they'll probably have no spare parts.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 16 2010, 11:18)
I don't for a second doubt Windsor's intention and desire to make this team work.
Personally I think they were hanging out for Lopez and his cash.
Now they (probably) have his first payment, they can start putting that money to work.
But having one, let alone two, cars in Bahrain seems a tall order indeed.
And one smash in practice and they'll probably have no spare parts.
Personally I think they were hanging out for Lopez and his cash.
Now they (probably) have his first payment, they can start putting that money to work.
But having one, let alone two, cars in Bahrain seems a tall order indeed.
And one smash in practice and they'll probably have no spare parts.
But those are complete stabs in the dark... what if it's exactly as CompositeKen makes it instead?
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