Joe Saward has corrected his story. Rah!

Not sure what your point is.

I understand that a complaint could shut down the company, but that a complaint would be unlikely as it would ensure no further pay.

Lopez signed on 26 Jan. I'm sure staff would have been understanding if it took a few days after the end of the month for the first Argentine money to come through.
Hence I refuse to accept that this simply couldn't have happened.
Doesn't mean it did happen, just that its not completely impossible.



They damn well should know about it.
But they have not responded in any way - as yet - to contradict ANY of the points made by CompositeKen.


On USF1's Facebook fans' page, John Mueller says there are 40 pages on here "proving his {CompositeKen's} statements incorrect and full of holes".
I don't think that's exactly an accurate summation, Talryn.

At last, someone has accurately described my posting style!



I'm not sure I believe old CompKen.

If he is indeed a disgruntled whistle blower, surely he'd have left USF1 months back.

And why is he using this forum to channel information to the outside world.

Surely he'd find Jonathan Noble's email and leak him a story and see if he'd run it.

Failing that he could offer it to Christian Sylt and PissPass who surely would.

Jesus Christ Joe Saward.

Poor showing for Team F1 Journalism...


I did not have time to talk to the team before I posted the original story and I see that it has caused a lot of comment. The team says that it is the tenant and that the owner of the building is fully entitled to sell the property with the tenant in situ. The team will remain where it is and this will have no effect on the 2010 F1 programme.

Shock! As if he was going to say "We intend not to compete this season and are in deep shit."

Saward has really gone down in credibility, not that he was high in the first place...

I think this is Saward's biggest blunder since he claimed that Jarno Trulli had been dumped by Toyota and was certain to be testing for Force India at the end of 2007.

That's the problem with blogging though isn't it.

So much pressure to pump out a constant stream of words that basic journalistic principles -like giving the team you're slagging off a right of reply- seem to get forgotten.

Let's put it out in the most simple way possible...

Seeing what happened to the January USF1 schedule and objectives set out by Peter Windsor, is it that far-fetched to expect the same kind of delays and failure to meet objectives for February? and then for half the month of March before the first race?

Also, if the delays are of a technical nature, like the lack of testing in early February may imply, is it reasonable to expect them to catch up? work TWICE as fast/hard in February?

I mean, jeez guys, wake up!

Does anyone have a really good picture of a crow for when the time comes (Bahrain), as I suspect a lot of people are going to be eating a lot of it.

Eating a crow?

Is that some kind of weird expression I'm not familar with?

Eating crow

Did he sound like he wanted to sink the team to you?

To me CompositeKen sounded like he was frustrated and would have liked changes on the management side of things. He didn't nuke the team and himself which is what would have happened had he went to a journo..

100 pages.

This has been the thread of the winter.

This and Nick Heidfeld.

so how do you explain his first post, which is simply a rant against ken anderson to denigrate all of his previous projects. If he knew all this and felt so strongly about ken anderson, how do you then explain he taking that job?

Easy, I don't explain it.

How could I know? I'm not in that guy's head..

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How do you explain Windsor getting a months worth of schedule so wrong a short while ago? ..and how do you explain USF1 being able to catch up, and not have gotten the February schedule just as wrong?

..and CompositeKen being increasingly likely to have prophesied those things?

Being well out of his depth?

The point is people are being labeled bashers and trolls while they are actually suggesting more likely scenarios...

(thanx for having immortalized my horrible sentence before I corrected it lol )

I know that you dont't know but I know that you are trying to otherwise you wouldn't have said that he sounded frustrated from the mgmt. You are drawing some conclusions based on his posts so you are actually trying to read the guy. So why not try to read what was behind his initial post ? Is it because it blows your theory out of the water?

You have to admit, this thread is a nice diversion and has had some very interesting conversations along the way.

He said maybe they could make it if there was changes on the management. Not before two months time.. (it was, I think.. paraphrasing here..)

Do you disagree it sounded like he was frustrated by the management? maybe he got to know Anderson by working with him and that fueled his rant and his quest to get infos on the guy out here?

Now that I played your little game, stop being so stuck-up and explain to me how the car can be so late compared to what was predicted by Windsor a month ago? We're talking weeks of delay over the course of a single month...

is not a little game, I thought we were discussing the validity of this poster. And I am not being stuck-up. You draw your conclusions and I draw mine.

the car is delayed IMO because they are financially weak and as I told you already the team for one reason or another do not want to make it seem that way.

this isn't rocket science really. A big part of their budget went to building the facility in order to have an adequte place to build the car.

So, what wasn't credible about what he posted?

The first thing that strikes me is that back on January 9th, and then on the 11th, he said: 'certainly no testing in February' ..that was days, hours even, after Windsor said they would test in early February.

Also, throughout all this he seemed to know about the status of the crash tests.





That looks a pretty bold prediction to me, completely opposed to what Windsor said at the time, and so far, accurate!

Of course, his 'pièce de résistance' is his post on February 7th. Link

There's a lot of meat there which remains to be proven or disproven... at the time I though the bit about Pechito was a nice detail because I thought he was going to the factory for that very reason!



It wasn't exactly reported all over the place that Pechito was going there NOT to have a seat fitting lol... but the photos confirmed the car was nowhere ready for one afterwards..

Anyway.. pretty obvious some people have decided that was a troll/hoax, but I rarely seen something as accurate and punctual as this troll attempt if it was one!

And just for the 100 page mark (well for those that don't change the amount on one page) we speed off to Bahrain:

Interviewer: Bernie, nice to see Campos made it.
Bernie: Yeah, good to see them here.

Interviewer: 5 seconds off the pace though...
Bernie: You weren't expecting pole, were you?

Interviewer: No.
Bernie: They made it that's the main thing. I mean, everyone expected them to fail yet they are here. They have the funds. What more do you expect.

Interviewer: And US F1?
Bernie: Can you see them?

Interviewer: <shrugs>
Bernie: Exactly. They talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. Campos have the funds and they're here.

Interviewer: You gave Campos the funds, according to reports...
Bernie: You know I can't possibly comment.

Interviewer: And StefanGP?
Bernie: Did you say hello? Again, they're here... it's not einstein.

Interviewer: Did you contact them?
Bernie: Did I contact them. No, they contacted me. There was a vacancy open, which I was happy to oblige.

Interviewer: If US F1 are ready for, say, Malaysia or China will they be on the grid?
Bernie: Doors been closed. Gone. Goodbye. Au Revior.

Don't think it will quite pan out like that, even if they don't make it

Well, this is exactly what I was talking about in my really long post.

So if Bernie is bailing out Campos, can Jean Todt bail out USF1? Or where is Flavio, he can be a really silent partner?

I did like the article from what maybe six months ago where Ross Brawn stated that he was confused as to why USF1 was not already doing their own in-house crash testing, that Brawn had already been testing parts for two months to prepare for the official FIA tests. (not a direct quote) At the time of the article I am not even sure if USF1 had tools on the ground yet.

I hate to double post, but would the interviewer in this post be the one Peter Windsor working for SpeedTV? If so, brilliant!

What happened to the 2nd driver announcement last week. I bet instead of writing an additionally lengthy contract with clauses for if/when they don't make, the Spanish Bank putting the deal together is waiting out the result of the crash tests.

I can't believe a hotel worker was the first to drive up there and check out the shop. Somebody should have swung by last weekend and saw if they were prepping a bunch of crates for air freight. Where are the UK journo's looking to see if PW is scene entering the crash facility.

Wow!

You guys are reading this all wrong. The sale of the property has absolutely NOTHING to do with the USF1 team making the grid or not. They do not own the building, and their lease is good until 2014, which means this could be quite a good time for the owner to sell the property as there is a lease agreement with an F1 team until 2014.

you have made a massive assumption in that he knew all this before he was employed.
If he even is a real USF1 employee.
IMHO he would have to be an ubber F1 anorack to know such facts off the top of his head rather than researching them after the fact.
Its more likely that it is his disgruntled attitude that has motivated him to check out the claims made by Ken Anderson.
While the above line is more likely it is still only a possibility and like your line not backed up by facts just thoughts, experience and opinion.

Well rumors say the FIA does not know about any scheduled tests, but when does the FIA ever say a test is scheduled (that would invite people to camp outside the test center/centre to catch a glimpse of the team, or do they already do this)? We hear about the failures rather quickly, but sometimes even the passes we do not hear about.

It is completely clueless what is happening right now with USF1/Campos/Stefan... But you are right, someone head down to CIC and find out what is going on, lazy press just wants us to make up things in the forum so they can post it.

Wouldn't it be a great time for Varsha visit USF1 a second time and do a couple more videos? Maybe even talk to Ken Anderson senior himself..

yeah... maybe it would be the absolute worst time ever to do that too.

Dieter Rencken latest on Campos, USF1 and StefanGP

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...sl=de&tl=en

saw this line in the link.


Has anyone else reported that PW has left USF1?
or is it just another rumor?

Wow, man this article is immense!

-Chad Hurley wasn't happy with USF1's progress... tries to make a deal with Campos-Dallara and merge the two outfits or something like that.

-when motorsport-total.com phoned Dallara-CEO Andrea Pontremoli, Chad Hurley's 'american delegation' was there in the room talking to Pontremoli.

-Cosworth still to be paid by USF1.. work continued around a dummy engine.

-Windsor has thrown the towel last Friday, he's AWOL or something..

All this from credible sources.. whoa

Wow these rumors are just getting better and better, but some of this tracks with what Hurley has supposed to have said before. And dare I say CompositeKen (who might be Ken Anderson himself now!).. Is this why Dr. Warren is the only active member of team sending messages, because Hurley has trust in him?

Wild stuff, going to be an interesting few days! How accurate is Motorsport Total?

Windsor leaving is a good thing for USF1

He was the weak link in the chain with his hyperbole statements making unrealistic expectations for USF1 that would never be reached and just bought them ridicule

If Windsor has left then that will be the best thing that could have happened to USF1

lol, how the hell can you believe Ken Anderson would talk about himself and his son like that???

Warren seems to be the kind of guy Hurley would keep if he can salvage the thing... unlike Windsor and Anderson, who didn't deliver.

Again more stuff CompositeKen would have accurately predicted, namely the Cosworth thing..

A good amount makes sense.

We knew Dallara was working again, but really did not know why.
Seems like a team that is not an F1 team should not get tires.
Hurley was up to something, he had a bunch of money on the line, smart move to not lose your investment.
Building owner is confident team will stay in place.. (made that one up, but possible)
Yep Cosworth you are right again.

But now we have this whole other side with Campos still to flesh out, which side of these rumors is true. It is getting worse, not better.. Well unless the PW part is true, no love lost there.

Interesting, thanks.

I hope this can still be pulled together and we have a full grid. I wonder how Willis fits into all of this?

Or perhaps you have no idea how the commercial property market works in the US. It's a normal thing in that business to flip properties that are leased. While USF1 has some pretty significant issues, this is yet one more example of something that spun to be a negative for USF1.

As for launch dates, progress, etc. There is a launch date. March 12 in Bahrain. That is the date they HAVE to make. The reason we aren't hearing more from them is that they are thrashing to get the car done. Will they make it? I don't know but at this point but I'd bet they are throwing everything they've got at it. They have to. It's do or die. The focus is get the car out, everything else be damned. I think this is another cultural difference in that the traditional F1 folks would be wondering how the rest of the sport and press views the team while the team is going balls to the wall to make sure they make it. The press is likely not to be favorable and many of the traditional fans have made up their minds so why put the resources into it now. Right now, the most important goal is making Bahrain.

As for the "crap programming" on Speed, did you mean the BTCC or DTM? What Speed calls the "lifestyle programming" draws far more viewers than even NCWTS races. All the various Pinks alone each week have a combined 20 million viewers. They are lucky to get 200k for F1. Initially when they were Speedvision they tried the all racing, all the time schtick. It lost money. Fox bought it, did a licensing deal with NASCAR, kept most of the auto and bike racing and added the reality/lifestyle shows. It now draws more viewers and is profitable. I'm not aware of any other channel on the planet that shows as much racing, or has as much in depth coverage of motorsport than Speed. I hope they get the lawn mower races back this year.

Crap... Rencken is a very good source.

Finally, for the first time, I think USF1 is ******. (In it's current form)

Don't know how exactly a merge with Campos and Willis would work a month from Bahrain.


And Windsor going AWOL

This is the best news ever!

Very interesting, and Rencken is usually pretty reliable. Senna-López pairing, then?

loki, you probably started to type your post earlier.. but I think it would require to go into denial to rubbish everything Dieter Rencken has reported..

He's not the type to make complete BS out of nothing... I think we can start connecting the dots and by the looks of it (3 different sources), Windsor is no longer in the picture...

That said, I wonder what Hurley and USF1 could bring to Campos and Dallara outside of monies?

Between USF1 and Campos:

-There's 2 FIA entries. (with some efforts one could head Stefanovic's way)

-Probably 1 complete car (Dallara)

-Senna (Campos) and Lopez (USF1) have contracts/agreements

-Hurley making moves, has tons of money.

-Cosworth about to lose customers if nothings done, having 1 remaining being better than nothing.

I can almost see where this is going.. a proper multi-party salvage operation.

As far as I know, they were the first to report about USF1 and their plans which for me puts even more credibility to the report!

It's speculation based on information he has gleened from sources. He's tryng to connect the dots. If this is the case, that means they know they aren't going to make it. Which would fit in with Warren's last Tweet. Field the Dallara this season then either keep working on the Type 1 for 2011 or ditch it completely. The 8 mil Euro price (about 11 mil US) is a relatively small price to pay for saving the season and the team. Campos appears to be done, why would they need him at all?

EDIT: updated to reflect current exchange rate.

So combine 2 **** teams into one ok team (on par with Lotus/Virgin).

Lopez and Senna would likely get the seats.

Hurley brings in money

Strong(er) Stefan GP team gets a grid slot with Chandhok and Nakajima (I think)

Windbag goes away

EVERYBODY WINS!!!

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/sho...228&page=12

Anyone remember this part of CK's article. Starting to ring true.

Chandhok please. Could he even come close to qualifying for a superlicense? What happend to the talk of porn-Ralf and JV (guy's with actual experience and talent).

I would think Chad would keep the team based in the US, just a hunch, it is a challenge. The Spain base lowers that challenge a bit, but also what does Campos have as far as facilities? Would make an interesting mix, keep Campos for the EU base, and build the cars where they are. Sub-lease the Motorland base to someone else if the lease can not be broken - I know nothing about EU law regarding property leases though.

Dallara now has a lot to lose, if they lose the Indy bid that will hurt, and if USF1 makes a chassis for next year again that will hurt. But then these Bernie rumors with Kolles are in play as well.