Well for one thing he was fielding a GP2 team... maybe his euro base would be more appropriate as a base. Plus his name must be everywhere in the Dallara stuff.

But yeah.. maybe he could be out as well..

If we see things as being Hurley getting things done, he'll probably get rid of the dead weight and keep the assets..

Pechito is an asset.. maybe John Anderson and that Warren bloke.. who knows what would be needed from the USF1 side of things if Ken Anderson, Peter Windsor and the type1 are trashed?

But can we have some lawsuits in the future? KA and PW had not that much money but seems they have burnt all of it without significant materialized results. Unpaid bills or wages or something? And what Concorde says if team fails to turn up? Any fines?

But what does Campos bring to the table? Senna could be signed once they go under. Stefan (you know, "the Russians" ) would likely get the spot by default. Hurley has a big bag of money, knows how to run businesses. The only thing I see Campos bringing is if he is current with the car payments but has no other money, they'll need to do something to get him to release it. Otherwise I don't see what he brings.

The Willis and Steiner fit with how Hurley builds companies and hires people. He goes out and gets the best that are available. With Steiner and Hurley in Italy now it could mean missed the date for the tests. In any case it appears they know they aren't going to make it and have probably known for a while. I'd say at this point it appears the "multi party salvage" fair assessment.

Indeed, Motorsport Total and some forums (including Corsa's) are reporting that last Friday or so Windsor simply gaveup and Chad Hurley would be working to merge with Campos... but there's so much rubbish going around that I won't believe anything until I see it...

Just went to http://www.camposmeta.com and what I saw?

According to the website they are still recruiting Electric Technician, Hidraulic Engineer, Travel Coordinator, Head Of electronics etc.

anyone knows what happened to Prodrive when they failed to show up?

I keep going back to my phone call to USF1 and lady stating the are working hard. Dallara to start the year, and maybe keep it, but then test the Type 1 at least to see and start getting a baseline. Or just have the Dallara in case you are not ready. Strange days... Honestly I still want to see both cars on the track!

Edit: Chad Hurley seems to have gagged the team, that is for sure. Minus Warren.

If you have Hurley's back-up, Dallara's car, two pay-drivers in Lopez and Senna, Geoff Willis as tech boss and
Gunther Steiner in charge, what in the world would you want with anything left from USFarce in Charlotte?

Do let me know when anyone can think of something but CK?

Raz

If they were going to move I doubt it would be to a GP2 base in Spain. My guess would be Motorsport Valley. If they wanted to move manufacturing they would have the time if Dallara built the first car. It would be at the cost of the unique model of a US based F1 team. Hurley will need a Concorde signatory though. At that point it's Campos or Anderson. I don't know how much of a racer Hurley is at this point. This could be something where he puts another 15 mil or so into it, fattens it up with a stable entry then flips it as turnkey operation with experienced F1 hands at the helm.

Again Campos could bring the actual race operation side of things... it was an existing racing team in GP2. The other thing is StefanGP under no circumstances are getting a spot by default, the FIA made that pretty clear and Stefanovic isn't a friend of the FIA.

Campos has an FIA entry and maybe he could sell that to Stefanovic though... or Hurley sells the USF1 entry (Bernie would prefer that lol), maybe Campos would be happy to go out with some cash from that.. I guess he'd be happy to stay and run the hybrid team too.. In this context you can see Hurley as his savior though with the cash comes some conditions (integrate some USF1 ppl, Lopez, etc..)

You have to finish the season with what you start with. Once you homolgate, you're committed.

It's not Hurley's entry to sell. It's Anderson's. As for Stefan the only alternative if they don't get the spot is to not have a full field. Would the FIA rather spite the guy and have one less entry? I bet they would.

One of the things Hurley said early on was that a US based F1 team appealed to him. We'll see if that's true or if this is just to salvage his investment. He hadn't been to a race until last year and while he might have caught the racing bug, I'd bet this is more of an investment salvage.

Well 24 some odd days left until all is known, I hope, if they pull us out for three races who knows.

I have a feeling you might be right on the money with the bolded part.

He stood to lose money and face if it all went pear-shaped.

i am just going to say one thing. when every single article/news lately has been negative against the team it only means one thing that they are in serious trouble and the team is about to fold. just think about it every rumor about schumacher driving for mercedes came out true, alonso to ferrari, button to mclaren, kimi quitting f1 etc etc.

not paying cosworth no crash tests passed go on and on. sad but fia/fota could still give stefan gp gridslot.

The rumours and gossiping going on here now is really crazy... Only thing is, sometimes the truth turns out to be more bizarre than even the most weird rumours

It's kinda when you have stuff happening in real life that no one would believe could happen if they read it in a book. Whatever happens to USF1 now, it's going to be a really interesting story. They are now obviously so late that if they do make it, it's gonna surprise many out there.

Looking forward to some real news and not just rumours though.

I think your first point is spot on; what Campos brings to this whole thing is the race operations side - not to mention a car..

As for Stefan GP.. let me think now, Jean Todt on the FIA, Mike Coughlan at StefanGP.... can't see the rules being 'bent' in their favour for some reason...

well it's Anderson's entry by name, but I'm pretty sure if Hurley has latitude to fix this mess he effectively controls it's destiny. Anyway, all the better for Bernie I guess.. Anderson selling/giving the USF1 entry to Stefanovic would surely make him very happy.

Plus I found it interesting that Cosworth wasn't paid by USF1... and Hurley is over there somewhere trying to make a deal with Dallara (Campos)... that is stretching it a bit, but to me that says the USF1 side of things is dead in the water.

Rumors are usually true in F1, it is fun to watch the teams deny things for a few months when you know in your heart that for example (MS was going to Ferrari, MS was leaving Ferrari, Ron Dennis retiring, Alonso to Ferrari, MS to MGP, etc). Well then we do have PW, blows my whole theory to hell.

Well its not just rumours, it's a bunch of KEY FACTS confirmed by Dieter Rencken.

Have we even seen confirmation that they have completed their Aragon base? That it has been outfitted?

How does that get Hurley's original investment back? If they were just going to sell the entry, why keep going? IIRC the FIA stated the new teams couldn't sell the entries. In that case why not just buy Campos? There are still some unaccounted parts of the puzzle. Willis just isn't going to turn up for a busman's holiday at a test and if as he says Steiner and Hurley are at Dallara this week, that means something is happening.

I hope all this is true, as I said, everyone wins here, except PW, but he sucks at winning, so nobody's fault there.

Well back when FOTA had a vote, it was reported PW was the only one to vote against the teams not being able to sell their entry. It seemed to be confirmation that Hurley was looking at it from a pure business perspective, you always want an out. In those early articles he talked about looking to buy a NBA team, then on and on until PW and KA came knocking with what looked like a good business plan. Seems he was just looking for something to put his name on, while making some cash along with the perceived glamour.

However I bet he was sold on the whole US thing, told of US driver and sponsor's going to be knocking on their door, and how revolutionary they would be. Can't blame him for trying to save what's left of the those 2's pipe dream.

Only somewhat related, but the title made me laugh.

Serbs Get Ready to Ride Kerbs

Is there anything written into the rules if 2 become 1 with regards to gridslots?

I'm not sure about selling entries.. the point is Hurley seems to be quite willing to go racing this year while Anderson and Windsor have failed him... meanwhile, a Serbian backed by a venerable gnome is looking for an entry.



Yep, getting rid of the dead weight, acquiring assets and that sort of things..

Hurley thought there was potential for the investment, not sure of his exact wording, but it was a tweet of his.

Not sure if the Motorland base was ever finished, or even leased for that matter I guess.

Edit: Since everyday seems to bring something different - what will we hear from JML tomorrow?

SO what about Stean taking the slot of USF1, and racing under THE NAME?

While Dieter Renckens article might be 100% correct, I cannot find sufficient information in the article to call it FACTS. For instance, he writes that he have three (unnamed) sources claiming that PW threw in the towel on Friday. PW denies this story.

So, is it a FACT that PW threw in the towel? Or just BS? Or maybe just part of the story?

And it's not CONFIRMED by Dieter Rencken, it's REPORTED by Mr Rencken.

Again, the story might be 100% accurate and the next weeks may show us that. But I have read so many different stories that, until confirmed, I won't regard it as FACTS. Facts for me is when we have verifiable information. For instance, let's say that tomorrow there is reports claiming that Lotus actually failed one of the crash tests. I would not take that as facts until either the team, the crash test lab or the FIA confirms the story (my current and previous occupations involves investigations, so I might be more particular than normal about what constitutes admissable evidence...).

So what we'll have is a CampUSF1, with CK - that's Colin Kolles (maybe aka Compos...) - a German dentist managing with English GW in support, backed by CH American internet money, in the merger of a US team created by PW, an English journalist, with a Spanish team that leases cars from an Italian chassis manufacturer while using Cosworth engines, an English-born company owned by an American and Australian, alldriven by an Argentine and Brazilian.

Bring us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses…

Versus a Japanese-born Germany-based, Serbian-owned team, run by MC & DR, with a Japanese and Indian driver.


Its a game changer. Before there was the PW hyperbole debacle versus the Campos, cross your fingers pray for cash approach, in which we could all happily side with Campos, the plucky triers, who concentrated too much on making things, they forgot to make money, while PW concentrated on making money and forgot to make cars. On the side was the bumbling attempt to salvage Toyota using whatever scraps they could pick up. Again, many would have been happy to support that attempt over PW. But in the end the CampUSF1 will be the team to support, just unfortunately known as USF1 (it just seems tackier than Force India for some reason), run again by a salvage task force, run by competent men, and backed with geek money. Yet, USF1 will lose to SerbiaF1, run, allegedly, by weapons trafficking cheats. But Force India will beat them both.

It would be hilarious, wouldn't it? The way I see it, the most straightforward way for Stefanovic to be in F1 is to buy one of the teams (even if concretely its only paperwork).. The others would have to agree on letting him change the name, and voila..

The good thing is that there is now the fabric of a realistic plan to save one of the two struggling teams (by merging them, and keeping the best parts of both)... and that opens the door to another team as a bonus!

It HAS to happen regardless of the labels, the locations and the nationalities IMO!

I start like the idea....

I can't wait to send my kids to CampUSF1 - wonder what the pricing structure is?

Also above, how do we know PW is denying that he has thrown a towel, or in the towel?

Whats in this for Chad Hurley other than losing a relatively small amount (for him anyway) and trying to get it back? Its a huge gamble investing that amount of money that is required to get his money back. He cant be just using his own cash, he must have other backing, but if he did why didn't he forward this to USF1 in the first place. It would have cost less.

Whatever, I'm not kidding you the article has been changed to include the Windsor denial!

I have both tabs opened before me as I type this!

first version:



second version:



Whatever that means, it's happening now and I'm reluctant to believe Windbag.

So as long as he is denying the towel bit that does not rule out the rest right?

Edit: Notice PW says we need to miss three races..... Or am I translating that wrong?

Threw in the towel means he's given up.

Point 2 is how I read it. But they cant.

he may be refusing to walk away. ch would then be running the Campos team only. ch tho wants to run a team called usf1, the only thing windsor has, the dream he successfully sold to ch. unfortunately it was all he did and its costing him his own dream. so he'll either be spiteful and leave ch with a spanish team or a price will be met and he'll walk away. right now they're still negotiating i would think.

True, I took as to quit the team, walked out the door, left the keys at the desk, kissed his wife goodbye... But yes, given up, now they need to miss at least three races.

What I actually meant, is that PW did not deny anything else in the article, just the fact that he quit. (well then the three race thing)

Windsor selbst bestreitet das. Bereits davor war endgültig klar geworden, dass US F1 mit dem eigenen Chassis zumindest die ersten drei Saisonrennen auslassen würde müssen.

anyone wanna help? google translator suxors lol..



Great point!

I guess the cat is out of the bag as far as Chad Hurley being on the move though... things will become clearer very soon I guess (which might mean we wont hear that much from the USF1 entity lol)

PW is what, probably the least invested of the three partners? Ken and Chad can kick him over in the corner with CK.

Edit for above post: Windsor himself denies that. Already before this it was clear that USF1 would need to miss at least the first three races with their own chassis? OR Already before was finally clear, US F1 to miss at least the first three season races with own chassis would need.

My point is NOT how much of it that might turn out to be true, just that I will be careful with what I consider FACTS at this point in time...

Dunno how it could happen, but wouldn't the dream scenario be USF1 getting the Dallara chassis and Senna, while Campos runs the Toyotas for Stefan, but under the Campos entry for 2010?

That result would be the closest I can see to a 'win-win' deal.

Thing is, the redundant bit becomes Charlotte. AND it would suck in more megabucks into USF1. Double or quits, Chad?

Wow, Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson are looking like major fu<k ups now. There is still time, but I am not expecting them to show up. I only expect Stefan GP to show now.

But we know they cant miss 3 races.

Saying that the 3 race issue was only clarified on Wednesday, but both teams would have been aware of the situation.

Windsor denies this himselves. Just before this it had finally become definitely clear that USF1, with it's own chassis, at least had to skip the three first races of the season.

thanx! more CompositeKen stuff turns out to be true*









*not for you DFV I know

But the thing is, they didn't have 3 races to skip unless it was force majeuere.

They have to be there in Bahrain or else!

Indeed!

And widely noted, I trust.