He's what USF1 calls a 'Manufacturing Partner'...

He's also apparently negotiating F1 related matters on behalf of Chad Hurley.

Can't you keep up with the progam? what sort of investigator ARE YOU?!

Corsa is saying that Hurley could be out of the project and... he would be investing in Campos Meta now!! They say that USF1 did not show for the crash tests originally scheduled for this week, as it was reported several times in this board. Felipe McGough and López's father would be negotiating with Campos Meta to get a seat there for Pechito.

He's the guy who takes the potential buyer out for a wild ride, makes him mess his pants, sealing the deal. Only for the car never to be driven like that again.

CompositeKen said : 'I work there' which isn't unlikely for Steiner to have been doing..

Plus, he also seemed to be aware of stuff a low-level employee is unlikely to know about.. ie how much money is owed to Cosworth by USF1. That kind of stuff might come from Hurley who Steiner is basically currently representing in meetings with Dallara and stuff..

It's just something I'm throwing out there, I knew you would ridicule it DFV... it'll only be sweeter if somehow it turns out to be true lol

That's why I said he would be a good person to have at the team. That he negotiates on behalf of Hurley does NOT make him a memnber of the team does it? It just means he is working for Hurley (or is rumoured to be).

And a manufacturing partner is now a team member????

You disappoint me...

You're the one who literally invented CompositeKen said he was a team member.. you twist things so much dude it's like you live in your own special world!

Well J-Lo bringing $8mil to Campos would relieve the Dallara debt, and then Hurley could bring operating capital. If Hurley does it i give him props for not walking out on F1, just because of "skunks", seems like he doesn't want to be tied with failure.

I have to wonder what J-Lo and his manager were thinking when they visited the factory on Feb. 7th. From all these latest news reports it sounds like they only became suspicious once all these rumors hit the past 2 days, demanding answers from Windsor. They probably told the car was already packed up and sent to the UK for testing, yeah that's where it was. After seeing the Lotus video and the very basic mock-up they needed for the seat fittings, and USF1 couldn't even rig that up.

Last remaining puzzle piece is Geoff Willis, seems he had compiled a list of all the necessary steps to get the Dallara chassis ready to race in Bahrain, on the behalf of WHOM?

I've go to say, between USF1, Campos and Stefan, they are making one hell of a soap opera.

Invented how?

You are the one who has argued how he must be an employee because of his knowledge. Now you have introduced Steiner as CK.

I'm not going to respond to the other statement as I will try to keep this on the topic and not personal insults.

However I find it strange that my first comment about Steiner being good for the team (backing up your post) resulted in the subsequent replies from you

It's bringing F1 into disrepute...

Ok, first thing: read that forum page again.

CompositeKen said 'I work there' talking about USF1. He also said all sorts of things not nice about Ken Anderson.

Steiner is very likely to have 'worked there' at USF1 as well. He's now apparently working for Chad Hurley for his new project which looks like getting rid of Ken Anderson and whatever Ken and his son think they are doing.

I just find it interesting to see Steiner suddenly appearing in the picture while in fact (to my surprise) he was just there in the shadows all along as a 'manufacturing partner' of USF1.

BTW Steiner can very much rant like a 16yrs old from time to time, its well documented lol..

I don think the Dallara chasis is ready. They haven't received payment and I doubt that they would have worked for free all this time. They also don't have the engines.
I think what they have to work out is which chasis is more advanced, reasign the resources and negotiate with Bernie that they will be absent for the first 3 races.

http://www.campeonesnet.com.ar/?m=15&sec=48&id=19157

More info, now from Campeones: they say Windsor officially annnounced JM López, Sr. and F. McGough, with tears in his eyes (!), that the team could not race and that he doesn't know what to do with it (!!) They conform that from the 2 million dollar support given by the Argentina government, 870 thousand were alraedy in a bank count in the USA.
f McGough and Lopez sr. travelled to Europe to meet Ecclestone in order to get a seat for Pechito in Campos or StefanGP. The meeting was supposed to be held today (!!!) They also said, and the Spaniard media too, that Chad Hurley woul be the new investor in Campos and has started the negotiations to arrange all the financial issues with Dallara.
Oh, I just read that: Felipe McGough met Parris Mullins and José Ramón Crabantes today in England (!!!!) in order to get the second seat there for Pechito. Mullins' presence is supposed to make strong the versions saying that Hurley is investing in the Spaniard squad. So USF1 could be kaput and StefanGP could get its entry...

I think F1 does that fine all by itself.

CK does say that he works for USF1 in a repy to a post from DFV. I've had to c&p it though.



QUOTE (DFV @ Jan 12 2010, 14:56)
CompositeKen: Do you work for CIC or USF1?

As most of your comments seem to come during the night over here in Europe it seems like you are based in the US...



USF1


Now whether that is direct or not is anyone's guess.

I just read Dieter Rencken's article in the Features section to catch up on what's gong on with these new teams.
What a complete mess! The legacy of Max Mosley.

Err, you guys are really going pedantic on my behind?

Here's a pedant question for you both: Which F1 team is/was Fiberworks Composites working for?

It's just a suggestion I'm making... I've decided for myself CompositeKen might have been legit, and I find what was expressed back then and the current developments to have possible matches..

I think it is the FIA (in particular Mosley's legacy of unclear decisions and processes) that has brought F1 again into disrepute.... this whole vetting process of new applicants .... 2010 entries being handed out like cookies to those that FIA people liked... It's still unclear why for example Prodrive never managed to get an entry

Perhaps in the future the FIA must allow for new comers to be "severely punished" i.e. that they loose their entry if N weeks before the first race it becomes apparent that a team cannot produce a car, and that its entry can be given to another team.

This way there will be a more "natural selection process" ensuring that the strongest make it into F1 and the garbage stays out.. and this will also make gold diggers and fortune seekers to think of a better business plan when entering F1.

We had the Brawn soap last year,
which turned into a fairytale...

And the soap isn't over yet...
it will at least keep on going for 20 days :-)

Crossing my fingers for a full 26 car grid

And our survey says.............................. EH-EH.


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You cannot compare USF1 to BrawnGP... simply because you cannot compare Peter Windsor to Ross Brawn... that would like comparing a man who achieved nothing in F1 to a man who achieved everything in F1

When the Honda project ran into trouble, it was the reputation and credibility of Ross Brawn that kept the entire Brackley F1 operation floating.

I really hope that reputation and credibility will once again will be the deciding factor.

Right now imo Campos has more reputation and credibility on the table since the guy has at least been managing and running single seater racing operations for some years now, plus they rely on the expertise of quality chassis builder Dallara.

Stefan GP is also more credible since at least we know they have world class and operational facilities and some of the best F1 technical and operations people with Mike Coughlan and Dave Ryan.

What has USF1 been able to show so far? Which experienced F1 people have they been able to attract and show to the world? The whole thing is an insult to F1

podrive has a history of failing to show up when given an entry so it's not that difficult to figure out why they were excluded this time in favor of other teams.

I am also thinking he may have been legit. The only reason I posted that is because I decided to read his entire posting history (all 6 posts), so I checked it out. I wasn't being pedantic.

I actually had suspiscions he might be legit with the response from Bertrand (I think it was) which was suddenly heavily edited.

Either that or I'm a bit gullible (which is very true, I am).

Got any support for that statement?

The Dallara passed its final crash test about four weeks ago. (According to Campos, reported by Autosport)
ISTR a statement somewhere from Dallara themselves basically saying "we've done our bit, all we need is payment".

lol

I appreciate the refreshing honesty

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...lly-dream-over/

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...lly-dream-over/

Ok I think its over.

If Dallara had any intentions of getting paid for that thing, it had to be a workable 2010 proposition.

Its just SpeedTV re-hashing the "tears in his eyes" stuff. By Cooper (from the UK).

Nothing new. Note the question mark at the end of the headline.


However, USF1 will HAVE to respond to their neighbours in Charlotte.

I want to see the response - IF it comes ...

Rofl!



100 million!

I think nobody would care about USF1 failing if it wasn't called USF1. The all-American team is now an all-American failure. This is the problem, otherwise its just another Campos and that thread is a lot shorter I am led to believe!

finally! the lies will come to an end!

Thanks.

What annoys me most about this is Max and his big idea's with insufficient planning.

I feel sorry for the workforce.

A few people are going to have eggs on their faces (Varsha being one of them).

Can you believe it is only 10 days since CK posted that post?

PW & KA need to come clean and fast. It is not fair to the fans.

In my case it's more about the blatant dishonesty... Campos in comparison was pretty candid about having financial issues, plus their Dallara car is probably fine.

USF1 is a joke from A to Z.. though sadly there's surely good people who got caught in there..

You have been the one arguing that CK was an insider working at USF1, not me . I have questioned that he was employed at USF1 (I might have been wrong). Are you now changing your arguments to him just being a supplier rather than an employee? (as that have been your argument previously, not mine. I just asked where he worked and he replied: USF1)

You realise you are now arguing against yourselves, not against me. You have argued he was an employee. I have argued he was not. You are now also arguing he is not an employee but Gunther Steiner.

And I still think you are stretching it by calling a supplier a member of the team (which was your first argument to my post on Steiner being good for the team).

was it ever an All-American team?

That was the original idea that we all loved and supported... and honestly I would still love to see an American team (perhaps based in the UK.. just like Renault is a French team based in Enstone) with American drivers.

Why do you keep doing this disgraceful nonsense about semantics?

I'll ask again: Which F1 team is/was (Gunther Steiner's) Fiberworks Composites working for?

Fibreworks Composites were working for USF1.

Varsha was just doing what he was getting paid for by his employer.

The ones I feel sorry for are not PW, KA, USF1, Pechito Lopez and his bags of money... or even F1...
I do feel sorry for the Argentinian taxpayer whose money has been flushed down some Charlotte toilet...

lol, I'd have prefered to see DFV answer that...

now read CompositeKen's posts in the mindset of him possibly be a Fibreworks Composites ex-F1 guy working for USF1... while also having contacts with USF1's funding guy Chad Hurley... and now the same guy working with Chad Hurley on getting rid of USF1's nonsense.

It's just an hypothesis.. and I happen to like it is all.

I would love to know what has happened to all of the money that was invested.

Quite, but what do they have to gain by lying? Taking the money of the Argentine government and wasting 600000 on a factory? They must be heavily in debt even with the former. Careers are at stake, more so for Ken Anderson who isn't just a journalist. I think it's more of a case of blatant incompetence. But I see what you mean.

I wish they didn't call this team "USF1" but I respect respect PW and crew for trying to live the dream. I have to say that I am surprised that Max and the FIA gave USF1 an entry without properly vetting their revenue stream.

What have I missed??? Anything???

Anyone have Brian Bonner's twitter - I saw that he was bashing some of the reporting for not being factual???

When can you provide an answer? You cannot just call it disgraceful nonsense about semantics when you don't have an answer or is arguing your own previous posts.... You claimed that I had invented the story of him being an insider. Please show me the post where I argue that he is an insider.
Remember, I didn't start this argument today. I just tried to be nice and back up your comments about Steiner. Then you tried to ridicule me by saying that he already WAS a member of the team and provided two links that did not provide any info of him being more than a supplier (and I could only find that info on the USF1 site. USF1 was not even mentioned on FC's website).

I'll answer you once more:
The company you have listed was/is a supplier to USF1. Does that make him a member of the team? (which YOU claimed and that's not semantics my friend).

Here it is: http://twitter.com/Indy92

DFV dude... you have to be doing this on purpose... I'm putting you on virtual ignore as you are honestly getting on my nerves at the moment.

If you fail to see what I mean with all the clarifications I've made then that's your problem.

cheers, thanx, bye.

Yes Mandzi, this is something that has been bothering me for a few days; depending upon where you read it, Hurley alone was supposed to have "invested" $20 million and I imagine there was other money too.

Now I know that this is F1, or supposed to be, but it's still a lot of money with apparently little to show for it.

@Brian Bonner: I love internet "reporting" What happened to good old fact checking. Nah, that'd get in the way of a "story" You know who you are...
about 1 hours ago from web

@Brian Bonner: @MidwkMotorsport No, helping to assemble toasters ;-)
about 1 hours ago from web in reply to MidwkMotorsport

@Brian Bonner: is still helping my friends at USF1 and others too.
about 4 hours ago from LinkedIn

Thanx the same Slowinfastout