Some dodgy fugu perhaps?

LeeMcK said that he got aircon flu on the flight to Japan.

Aircon? Sounds like Legionnaires'. If that's the case, he's not racing.

bookmakers still have confidence he will race (and finish the race)

Button punted Marcos Ambrose out to win the Formula Ford festival, so I wouldn't say he was regarded as clean his enitre career.

Yeah right

Wow, so BMW look really solid all of the sudden! I think tire management will be key tomorrow and a lot of drivers is going to struggle with that.

Oh, SHUT UP you all.

THis qualifying was a farce. The 3 of you are clearly stupid for not realizing it.

How can the worst car of F1(Toro Rosso) suddenly do well, and the CRAPPY aero car like Mclaren have decent results????

First of all, due to the rain there was no time for the drivers to make proper setup.

Then, the quali itself was quite a lottery because the track was getting a lot of grip by minute, so it was an clean later lap which would give advantadge.

THe most important factor(concerning BMW WHO HAD THE FASTEST SPEED IN SPOON THEREFORE BEST DOWNFORCE) was the tones of red flags which didn't allow many drivers to do proper laps, in BMW's case, THEY ONLY HAD ONE ATTEMPT DUE TO THE YELLOW FLAGS AND IT WAS SCREWED BY BUEMI WHO LEFT MANY PARTS OF THE CAR IN THE STRAIGHT BEFORE 130R AND HEIDFELD AND KUBICA EVEN GOT STUCKED BEHIND HIM WITH A DAMAGE CAR AS FOM SHOWED.

I was completely right about Mclaren in SPa and in a normal weekend it would have happened again. AS I SAID IN THE BET, ANORMAL CIRCUNSTANCES LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WOULD VOID THE BET.

Mastah and Rodlamas are 2 stupid fellows who ignore the reality to have their glory moments. DOn't fool yourselfs, this qualifying didn't show the performance reality in Suzuka. BMW potentially had much more speed as they had the best downforce because Kubica was the fastest in SPoon Apex.

Reasuming the qualies:
P. Driver Team Weight Lap to pit
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Renault 658,5 53,5 17
2. Jarno Trulli Toyota 655,5 50,5 16
3. Lewis Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 656,0 51,0 17
4. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 660,0 55,0 18
5. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 661,0 56,0 18
6. Nico Rosberg Williams Toyota 684,5 79,5 27
7. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 686,0 81,0 27
8. Adrian Sutil Force India Mercedes 650,0 45,0 14
9. Rubens Barrichello Brawn Mercedes 660,5 55,5 18
10. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 682,5 77,5 26
11. Jenson Button Brawn Mercedes 658,5 53,5 17
12. Giancarlo Fisichella Ferrari 661,5 56,5 19
13. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren Mercedes 675,0 70,0 23
14. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 665,4 60,4 20
15. Kazuki Nakajima Williams Toyota 695,7 90,7 31
16. Romain Grosjean Renault 691,8 86,8 30
17. Fernando Alonso Renault 689,5 84,5 29
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India Mercedes 682,5 77,5 26
19. Timo Glock Toyota
20. Mark Webber Red Bull Renault

It doesn't look quite bad for KUB and ROS, isn't it? Pretty better than before the stewards decisions.
In my opinion, the one of the two drivers who will be after the first corner higher, can be on podium.

Think HK should be in 11th once all the penalties have played out.

SC in the right time and Rosberg or Kubica might finish REALLY high. They're looking good even without that, though.

The BMW upgrade might have predicted a serious laptime gain in the wind tunnel (numbers were ~1 sec), but on a real track it looks like the improvement is not even half a second.

I've got a feeling tomorrows race will be one to remember, especially if it rains.

Toro Rosso has a new floor this weekend...

You know, who doesn't have arguments use emoticons. This is very well known thing in the internet.

The facts more detailed: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/200...ctor_times.html
BMW was the fastest in S1, but had bad S2 and S3 because in Q2(where the fastest sectors are set) they only had one lap and Buemi screwed hugely their S2 and S3.

As this was a wacky qualifying with red flags, cars not properly setup due to rain in FP3, I cannot know if Mclaren really would have a decent car in a normal circunstance weekend with dry FPs and normal quali. BUT, I MUST ADMIT IT SEEMS THEY IMPROVED A BIT IN THE AERO SIDE as Hamilton was only 10Km/h slower than BMW in Spoon.

BMW CLEARLY had the best downforce as the Spoon Apex Speed showed and S1(sector with many fast corners). Spoon is in S2 but BMWs weren't able to set their best in there due to Buemi, the same goes for S3.

No Surprise seem Hamilton 3th in S3 as this sector only have 130R(flat out) and a slow chincane.

lol and u keep digging... I dont need arguments, the result condemns you. Cherry-picking stats here and there only make you look sillier and more ridiculous. The silver donkey was faster around the circuit than your best downforce BMWS in all 3 qualy sessions. You will think that will make a reasonable poster accept his L and keep it moving...but no, apex speed this, sector 1 that... who cares?

baring any anomalies, the silver donkey will be lapping comfortably ahead of your best downforce BMWs tmrw.

I wonder what new rubbish you will write here to justify that

From my predictions only Mclaren been decent was different from it, but as I said, the circunstances weren't the best to know that for sure.

I was right about Toyota, Force India and BMW been strong again, though.

Yeah, the circunstances doesn't matter at all. Tomorrow if a huge crash happen in the start and only Alguersuari, Liuzzi, Fisichella remains intact in the race and finish this way making the podium, you'll say Alg had a win on merit?

Ok, let's forget about the S1, Apex Speed info, but I can't forget that only BMWs weren't punished after passing in Buemi's crash, do you know why???
Because they obviously lost time in there compromising their S2 and S3. Not only there were debris on track but the noob Buemi screwed Nicks 130R and Roberts's approach to the final chincane. I'm just saying that potentially Heidfeld had speed to match RBR in Q2 given the data I mentioned.

But in Q3 there is no excuse. Nick only did one lap but I don't if he made a mistake or not. The fact is that Vettel, Trulli and Hamilton did much better jobs in that session.

PS: Afair, in Q1 BMWs used hard tyres and were ahead of Lewis untill he uses soft.

14:05:13
2 1:32.417
3 1:38.789
4 1:31.889
5 1:36.619
6 1:31.056

Lewis first stint in Q1. His last lap (witht the hard tyre) was faster then both BMWs.

There is no shame in admitting you got it wrong about Mclaren and overestimated BMWs competitiveness, this is what a proper poster would do


all these other excuses is rather sad and pathetic, even Mario Theissen n anyone else in the BMW team will tell you their car isnt the best on the grid for this race...just let it go man.

You have to love Trulli.

Here is what he said in the PC:
"Unfortunately, we are not known as a good starter. I just hope we can have a good start in my race."

Fixed for him:
"Unfortunately, I am not known a good starter. We just hope that I can have a good start in my race."

lol Alonzo, cmon man.

Seems i wasnt so off the mark after all for considering McLaren as a valid podium contender.

I realize now that RBR is still fastest although I also must admit the new BMW gained downforce, but the car as a whole isn't great.

I'll stop mocking Mclaren, as I got the impression people are disliking me. I'm not here to make trouble. Now considering all that happened this weekend, Hamilton is really a strong podium contender.

PS: If you are interested in another Jarno moment, check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zxNnyfSLTk lol or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHjy-QJmPU

Alonzo, I thought you said BMW will have the best aero efficiency (balance of drag and downfoce), not just the best downforce?

I'm sure if McLaren bolted on the Singapore wings and cranked them up to maximum wing angle they could've been very good as well in the turns but in the straights they would've been god awful slow.

It's just a thought, but after watching the qualifying chaos...what chance of multiple SCs during the race?

You heard it here first, Rosberg for the win!

It depends when the SC comes out, if its during lap 16 , 17 Vettel and Hamilton will gain from it but if its lap 18 then Vettel would lose alot from it.

you are right, I really claimed that. As you said all teams can increase downforce very easily by lifting their wings. The important is aero efficiency and RBR clear is the best in this field. But, again as I said, is hard to take definitive conclusions from this quali because some cars managed to get closer to their best setups than others. I don't know about Mclaren but Heidfeld said that after FP3 he didn't expect much in quali because he couldn't make a proper setup in that session time.
It's not the case here to try to make a point by speculating if this or that car could have gone faster as we'll never know the asnwer for sure. It's just my opinion that Mclaren benefited from the rainy friday because they supposelly(by me) got a good setup as did Toro Rosso which never was so competitive before this season. But don't get mad at me, it's just a hypothesis.


I think that's what Rosberg is counting on. But the time of the SC must be precise in order to benefit Rosberg.

It should come out on the first lap when guys have cold tyres and lots of optimism.

Easy victory for Hamilton tomorrow will take the lead within first 3 corners with that KERS and will drive into the distance

Judging on past performances, I'd say that Rosberg has an excellent chance




...of causing a safety car period.

U are quite an irritating one arent you... I see what you are trying to do...

set him up really high, and when that doesn't happen (which it wont cos the Red Bull car is clearly the best on the track)....you can bash, or try to fool yourself into being happy that Hamilton "lost"

Hope Kimi can jump everyone infront of him and drive away. He has been quick all weekend.

Actually, BMW's low speed wasn't due to drag, they STUPIDLY had short 7th gear because they were the only idiots who used rain gear ratio in the dry.

Check out in this video, Nick tells it to BBC:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ognj0ydn2yy

Nick: "I think the pace isn't bad, but to be honest, I would like to have more top speed. We are the slowest in the ranking, that's not because of the engine because that is strong, but on friday the weather was difficult to predict what was gonna happen, in the end my seventh gear was too short and now it'll be though"