Yes please, I'll be for a 2nd helping of Kimi and Macca.

My two favourite drivers in my favourite team

I am not so sure that Kimi has the appetite for either a political struggle that he would get with Lewey or the corporate PR work that Macca would demand. It would be good to see them in the same machinery though. I hope we do not lose Kimi to rallying he still has plenty to offer F1.

Germany 2008 is another example, but generally it's close between him and heikki. And Canada is one of his best tracks. I personally don't think Heikkie and Alonso are that hot on a single lap, but maybe that's just me.

I don't know about you guys, but I think that Macca has changed quite a lot this year. More open, more fun.
Still focused, but the "dark side" image has gone. Just read the paddock reports here on autosport.

Good points, and I'm sure that Kimi will end up returning to McLaren, the move however will not materialize 2010 since he will drive for Ferrari for the last year, but in 2011 it will be a done deal.

He was paired with Alonso who matched trulli in qualifying when they were team mates.

There's a subtle difference between partnering a guy who is a qualifying specialist and partnering a guy who partnered with a qualifying specialist.

Actually, not that I think on it, it's not that subtle.

@Tomerell

The relationship between a driver and his mechanics is often overlooked. I hope against hope that Kimi might end up at Williams - dream on.

The relationship thing is important, because I think that is one of the stones Kimi has tumbled in Ferrari.

Williams is a legendary team, but somehow I cannot visualize Kimi in there, but he might get along with the team...

Shall we get back to topic?

According to Pitpass, Team US F1 is considering Frenchman Franck Montagny for a seat.

Franck who?

He was Super Aguri's test drier and filled in for them after Yuji Ide hd his Superlicence revoked and befre the team setted on Sakon Yamamoto.

....


So What Fry was talking about is Santandair...? Brawn will be the second red car on the grid...
This could work. Brawn get money from Alonso perhaps as well.

Only at Williams I am rather sceptical about Kovalainen...

I know, I was being sarcastic ...

Nothing new in Autosport (print) really. Had a quick scan this morning. They're saying the Williams Renault alliance is looking like it will happen, and that RBR are negotiating with Mercedes.
But you all knew that.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...903100729.shtml

Fairly decent summary of this chaotic silly season.

That's not a summary ... that's "anybody can end up in any team"

And that's an accurate picture of where we are... yes?

Man, what time does your mail man roll around?

I'm lucky to ever get my Autosport on Thursday, and I live within zone two!

Looked at it on the way to work (in shop).

Yeah, I've found that stuff that entirely depends upon tone is often lost on others online. Plus, Franck - sorry, but it's such a cool name when it's spelt with a 'c' - was in the sport so briefly so long ago that a lot of people have probably forgotten him by now.

Exactly. I liked Franck Lagorce for exactly the same reason. Although he did only 2 GPs for Ligier-Renault in late 1994.

It's all getting very French, though.

hmm yeah..

maybe this one = F1 Fanatic 2010 drivers.. who goes where? is a bit more clear...

Looks crazy but I'm affraid if Alonso stays at Renault (and if they stay) and both Ferrari drivers stay at Ferrari.. not much will change.

Even if that happens silly season will still be a bit crazy, a Mac seat is opening up, there's at least 3 good drivers without a seat (Kubica, Heidfeld, Trulli), and 3 or 4 new teams who are yet to sign anyone.

Bingo!
That's why it's perfect.
Hamilton gets a good wing man.
Heidfeld gets his first drive in a competitive car and probly his first win.
McLaren gets peace and two guys that know how to accumulate points for the WCC.

Leave the drama for the others.

i wish haug, neale and whitmarsh see it the same way as you/we do.

I am continualy amazed why Heidfeld gets no respect by some fans.
While in the same car, Heidfeld beats Kimi and Robert and you don't even see him on par.

Nick needs a new PR guy...

well, if my memory help, Kimi was in his 1st year, Heidfels in his 2nd year and beat Kimi by 3points.

But, I agree that Heidfeld should get more credit than other drivers (he needs and deserves a win).

He beat Massa and Webber as well...

Oh come on, you are like broken record.
Kimi was absolute rookie. lost 4 of the first 5 Q duels, then he started beating Heidfeld quite convincingly. After signing for McLaren, only Heidfeld received updated parts on the car for last three races.
There was no hidden agenda in McLarens decision. I was big McLAren fan at that time and wanted Kimi in Mclaren so much more. I think every sane person could see much bigger potential in Kimi.

both in a competitive car/team, and Nick hasn't found a drive yet..god...it hurts...

the spanish press quoted someone from alonsos management this week saying that alonso was close to signing with brawn when brawn/fry expliained the car advantage they believed they had. Alonso was a bit regretfull as he is convinced that he be WDC with brawn if he took the risk but he felt it was to much of a risk even with the money honda prepared to pay him.

this probably shows alonso will only go to Ferrari or mclaren and will not take a risk

Broken record?... I guess so, as long as Heidfeld is the most underated driver on the grid.
Kimi was a rookie but it was only Heidfeld's second year, but even in his first year he beat his more experienced team mate and both Kimi and Nick were brand new to Sauber. Heidfeld was never the best qualifier but he beat Kimi on racecraft, by far. The updated parts thing is pure myth.
Some Kimi fans maintain that Kimi must have been better than Nick since McLaren chose him. The fact is Mercedes chose/wanted Heidfeld but Ron gets to make the decisions and Mika was an influence and Ron has never, ever hired a German.
That Kimi had more potential than Nick is another myth. How would any sane person know?
Since then, Kimi has always had top cars and Nick not.
Last year, both had similar qualifying problems, which Kimi never solved but Nick actualy beat Robert for the last 10 races.
I'm not a blind fan boy. I believe the car is everything. Button and Fisi certainly proved that this year.
I rate drivers by their;
consistency -he holds the record in the history of F1 of consecutive races finished
racecraft - example, 3 double passes last year, tyre choice in Spa '08, all wet races
positions gained - 18 this year alone, compared to Robert (no slouch) in the negative
passing ability on track - remember Alonso in a much better car in Bahrain and
lack of errors -compare this to any of the top driver, particularly last year,
Nick's performance in these areas speaks for itself.

It's time Nick got his chance at a competitive car.

Don't be such a sour loser. Kimi did plenty of testing in the pre-season, they were evenly matched but Heidfeld had an edge over him. Get the tapes, don't try to analyse just by scanning through grid positions. And why would Sauber hurt their performance in the last three races?

Good that he didn´t go there. Most of the people would praise HIM for the fast car,

Of course

I assume you have evidence to the contrary

Sour loser? WTF
Anyway I taped and saw all races to be able to make up my mind. Since race 5 Kimi simply impressed me so much more (his ABSOLUTE rookie status nothwistanding) and I was no fan of his at that time rather objective observer, thats for sure.
Heidfeld is underrated in his duel with Kubica but if you want to push your opinion about Heidfeld beating Kimi in the same machinery then we have got perfect example of highly overrated season of given driver.

Hey Metz were you actually around in 2001? Everybody was talking how talented that new guy was to the extend that Heidfeld seemed to be completely forgotten. Even RTL must have conceded how tough time its boy having been given by that shy blond.
I assume that everybody was afflicted with collective blindness then?

Like I said, Heidfeld needs a new PR guy...

Been around too long.
And don't get me wrong, I love Kimi, particularly his attitude and risk taking.
I just don't know what else Heidfeld could possibly do to shine in the media's eyes.

Surely hiring that PR guy who was at Kimis disposal back then in 2001 could do it for NH.

Exactly! It happens all the time in F1. Ask Bernie how it's done.
Anyway you're just making it up, many folks scented the smell of injustice then and it still stinks if you ask me.

Let's hope with Ron gone, Nick has another chance.
But I suspect Mercedes will be pushing for Rosberg.

Dont smoke that shit anymore if you ask me.

he wanted to hire a german ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYI6PFNDFrg

seen this video many time.
Michael often said there were never any serious discussions, much less negotiations and much much less an offer, although he was available, as the video claims.

you 've seen the video many times and you don't see Ron is trying to recruit Michael? :S

Quote: "That Kimi had more potential than Nick is another myth. How would any sane person know?"

Kimi

Wins 18
Podium places 61
Pole positions 16
Front row 32
Fastest laps 35
Points 565


Nick

Best race classification 2 (8)
Podium places 12
Pole positions 1
Front row 2
Fastest laps 2
Points 210

Sums it up well!

You can't compare the two...

Kimi has had WDC-capable cars in 2005, 2007 and 2008. He had the best car in 2005 and had arguably the best in 2007 and 2008.
Heidfeld has had .... well, not that much luck/opportunity.