The dicuss bit was aimed more at the seats i didnt know about.

As for kimi at brawn, i think that he might take a pay cut if ferrari give him a big enough payout.

But what would i know.

It did so the last time there was anything intereseting going on: the Schumacher-Räikkönen switch in 2006.

Rosberg to Brawn?

Reports are coming in that Brawn hs offered Roberg a drive for next year. (De Bild)

So, basically, the general idea is that Rosberg has at least McLaren, Williams and Brawn pining after him. That's quite a selection of quality teams to pick from.

Does the announcement that Fisi will be Ferrari's 'reserve driver' for 2010 rule out Alonso?

Because they will have Kimi, Massa and Fisi under contract.

Unless its Fisi until Massa recovers and Alonso is replacing Kimi?

i have the same feeling, after Fisi coming in at Ferrari the rumors/chances of Alonso at Ferrari in 2010 are lesser than they were before. I don't think its gonna happen.

Maybe in 2011 Alonso-Ferrari. BUT here's what I do think is gonna happen. Ofcourse Nando won't be sitting idle, I believe he'll switch to Brawn or stay at Renaut for 2010.

Let's wait and see.

On the contrary. Signing Fisico is clear sign that Massa will keep his seat even if he is not ready for the beginning of the next season. Second seat is between Kimi and Alonso, I think thats clear too.
And I think it will be Alonso, not for pure performance reasons, Kimi was very quick, very consistent and almost error free this season, but for personal reasons. I simply have feeling that Kimi and Ferrari aint happy family lately.

That's my feeling, too. And if sponsorship issues like Santander (eventually) replacing Marlboro/Philip Morris come into play, the choice — sadly, in a way — seems obvious.

I don't think Phillip Morris will actually be leaving - well, probably shown the door, actually - until 2011. I'm reasonably certain that they're staying for 2010. Santander are probably moving to Ferrari so that they're already in position to take over as title sponsor. That's why I think talk of their influence over Ferrari is rubbish: they're only going to be a relatively-minor sponsor in 2010, and have virtually no say. Especially since it's Ferrari, and they're probably the only team who can afford not to take crap from sponsors. The timing of Santander's rise to major sponsor fits in far better with Alonso in 2011, not 2010.

I totally agree. And I definitely think that Raikkonen has already got a contract with Mclaren for next year. Time will show it.

Heikki will end up at Williams, next to Rosberg, with Renault power behind them.

Will Santander pay close to $200m to replace Philip Morris?

Hang on, doesn't Phillip Morris own the sponsorship space on the Ferrari then sell that on to other sponsors?

It's not only about title sponsorship, I believe.

The Philip Morris contract runs throughout the 2011 season, IIRC. But it could very well be that Philip Morris keep their Marlboro title sponsorship for 2010 and '11 while simultaneously selling on the majority of their space on the car — they own the whole thing, but have already sold bits to other sponsors, of cours, e.g. Shell, Etihad et cetera — to Santander.

That would make Santander a primary sponsor regardless of the title-giving rights. And even if Santander only take-over title sponsorship and/or the Philip Morris gig after 2011, they would still be working on a long-term engagement. And it would only be too convenient for them as well as Ferrari that F. Alonso Díaz joins the party, too.


They do.

Virgin F1 Team
Cosworth RBV01

Adam Carrol
Bruno Lalli

If the want the kind of influence everyone seems to think they already have, they're going to have to. I'd be very, very surprised if Santander's involvement with Ferrari in 2010 is not on par with their level of involvement with McLaren. They'll be a secondary sponsor at best. I think they'll eventually make the step up to major or title sponsor, but not straight away. Phillip Morris can match them dollar-for-dollar, but they're on the way out. I think tobacco sponsorship in all its forms is to be banned outright from the end of 2010 (I actually thought it was from the end of 2008; evidenly, I was wrong); the Malboro "barcode" surrogate is as recogniseable as the name Malboro itself. Everybody knows what it is, even if it's unsaid. But they're going soon, and someone needs to fill the vacuum. And that is what I think Santander are doing: they're getting their foot in the door.

I mean seriously: who ever heard of a secondary sponsor being able to influence any team's driver choice, much less Ferrari's? Santander cannot compete with Phillip Morris; they may have been able to in the past, but not in the middle of a global recession. They might have endured fairly well, but they need to be seen as responsible. They can't go blowing huge amounts on sports sponsorship. Their name and logo will appear on the car, but it's not goig to be very big. That's all; once the economic situation has stablised - probably by the end of 2010 - then they can go about doing it. If Alonso goes to Ferrari in 2010, Santander will have nothing to do with it. Scuderia Ferrari Malboro will continue to be known as Scuderia Ferrari Malboro in 2010 ... but in 2011, it could well be Scuderia Ferrari Santander.

That Cosworth is supposed to be way heavier than the current optimised V8s according to Autosport...



Who he?

Has Bruno Senna changed his name or something?

Shell are not a sponsor, they are a technical partner. All their work on fuel and lub development for Ferrari gives them the logos on the car. PM only role in that is one of agreement.

Ferrari wants Alonso as well. Santander is an added bonus.

Its a done deal.

Alonso/Massa and Alonso/Fisi if Massa is unfit. If Massa doesnt return to expected levels then Fisi races until they sign up Kubica

i've no idea why phillip morris pays the estimated 200m/year to sponsor ferrari with some strange bar code... who's starting to smoke because of that or is switching to malboro? if you don't know malboro by now, you're either non-smoker and by that not interested in tobacco or you smoked the same cigarettes all your life... so the bar code sponsorship helps a sh1t in terms of making the brand known among the public - imho. improving the brand's image? doubt that. i simply dont get it... Oo if i was phillip morris ceo or whatever i'd quit that contract asap

/e: i know the team is called "scuderia ferrari marlboro", but that doesn't change a lot, imo.

RBV01 = Richard Branson Virgin 01

Bruno senna = Lalli thats his real name anyway

Yeah, I don't understand it either actually.

And I've followed Formula 1 since the smokey days of the late 80s and have never taken up the habit.

If I was to I think I'd go for Gitanes though.

But perhaps thoughts for another thread...

They should allow Tobacco sponsorship back into F1. Honestly if you are dumb enough to take up smoking just because you saw it on the back wing of a Ferrari then chances are you wouldnt be living very long anyway.

In about 4 or 5 years there will be no Alcohol advertising either. Stupid.

Agreed, also, they have not 'yet' banned all the old films where just about all the actors have a cigarette and a drink in their hands.

And that time we will see "Persil Skuderia Ferrari" or ariel or whatever.
PM pay that money because they buy image of winner that is the price of heritage most winners team in history.

It's a matter of awareness and only that.
I haven't started to smoke but you know all those brands.

The more those brands are known, better are the chances that already-smokers may choose them.
And if for some reason a no smoker takes uo the habit, one of those brands that this person knows will be the choice.

Here we go again.

Bruno's mother's name is Viviane Senna da Silva. Bruno's father's name was Flávio Lalli <plus father's surname>. In Portuguese-speaking countries, a child receives both the mother's and the father's last name — both may choose which name(s) the child receives, since both have two last names, as well — and usually in that order. Hence, while Viviane chose to pass on her mother's name Senna, and Lalli likewise, Bruno's name is Bruno Senna Lalli, just like Ayrton was called Ayrton Senna da Silva.

But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You're almost right.
Flávio's complete name was Flávio Pereira Lalli (deceased, motorcycle accident 1996).
Viviane Senna da Silva is Bruno's mother maiden name, after the marriage her name becomes Viviane Senna da Silva Lalli. The common procedure would be for her to adopt only the "da Silva" surname plus the "Lalli" surname: Viviane da Silva Lalli.

By this logic, Bruno's name should be Bruno da Silva Lalli. But as Flávio and Viviane had the option to chose any of theirs surnames, Bruno Senna Lalli became the way the child was named.
And in the same fashion that Ayrton used his mother's surname, Bruno uses it.

Arguing with people because you think they are being trolls is the dumbest thing anyone can do.
You're doing exactly what they want by giving them the attention.

Anyway...

If Alonso really is going to Ferrari like everyone is assuming, who is going to replace him at Renault?

Kubica, if he can't find anything better.

With my luck, Räikkönen.

Ferrari should keep Kimi!!!!!!!!!

Well, ATM nobody remotely sane and intelligent will touch Renault with a 3m stick, guilty or innocent.

Kimi to Renault via Nokia.

This is the hot rumour doing the rounds now, stick the 3 key words into Google....

Well I tend to believe its Mas/Alo in Ferrari next year but in such case they surely announce this next week in Monza, no? If not then one would think no deal yet and everything still open, wouldnt it?

Not so hot.

Ferrari should retain KIMI!!! :@

It has been discussed on one of the other threads a bit this week.

Can't remember which one, there are so many driver move threads going.

Seriously, what is the deal with everyone thinking 1 sponsor, especially one without real historic F1 commitment like Marlboro, is able to have such a influence in F1, a sport still run in the hundreds of millions.

I happen to like this BB dickhead, the old story - if you don't like it Fvkc off.

Just a rumor dropped by Kimi's team to get a better deal

either open or... the line up for next year remains the same, i.e. Kimi and Massa/Fisi

Nokia apparently.

You've given the answer as well.

Nokia seems to have denied the rumour……

and by the way why would a phone company want a non-talkative guy as their frontman?

Didn't Kimi said that he only will drive for a topteam in F1?

See 2 options:

1. Remaining with Ferrari like his contract claims
2. Ferrari ends his contract with paying a lot of $$$

In either way Kimi has a good future.

Nokia? They have issued a statement that they have no interest in F1.

Nokia has informed that motor racing is not in their sponsoring agenda anymore. They negotiaited with Ferrari back in 98 for around 50 mil$ deal, but it was blocked by the top management of the company...

every ****ing year we have nokia sponsorship rumours. definitely not hot news.

I am 100% sure Alonso is at Ferrari next year. If he didn't have his deal yet, he would be making lots of noise in the media.
No noise, means Alonso gets what he wants.

I agree with you, but the fact is, Philip Morris is paying close to $200m/yr. I don't know any other sponsor in F1 paying that much. Is Santander willing [or able] to pay upwards of $100m yearly to Ferrari? With the crisis, the fact that the bank has probably been bailed out, and the fact that governments are much closely regulating banks nowadays...

They could and probably will be title sponsors after 2011, but I think that Ferrari will either have to find other sponsors to compensate for the loss of PM or the Fiat Group will stomach the loss...