What do you mean, who is making an announcement today?

Jajajaj, no, no. In Spain the women like much, are very Beautiful. It he is like Al Pacino but with fewer hair.

In Spain it is said that Alonso to Ferrari and Vettel to McLaren and Hamilton to Renault. In England also?

Kiss

Yes, well, we have this concept called legally-binding documents or contracts which set out the grounds which each party are to abide to. We don't even know what the terms of those contract are, much less whether or not either party have stuck to them.


And as quickly as possible is 2011. On account of the whole aformentioned legal-document thing.

Let's see here ... Ferrari's first points of 2009? Raikkonen. Ferrari's first podium. Raikkonen. Ferrari's first win? Raikkonen has that one to his credit, too. Almost all of Kimi's dud results are not his fault and his alone. I'd like to see how Alonso would fare if his team sen him out on extreme wets five laps too soon. When you break it down and eliminate all the races where Raikkonen had problems, there are only two this season that can be put down to the Finn: Turkey and Great Britain. Massa's accident was hardly his fault, was it? And up until then, the Alonso-to-Ferrari people held him up as a shining example of what a Ferrari driver should be. So what changed?
Oh, I know: your desperation.

D: Massa e Alonso potrebbero essere il dream team del prossimo anno, ma se tu avessi la terza macchina a chi l'affideresti a Schumi o a Vale?
R: Prima di tutto bisogna vedere se la terza macchina è possibile e poi c'è Kimi che ha un contratto per l'anno prossimo. Schumacher ha già deciso di smettere di correre, che è la cosa più difficile per un pilota, però non si sa mai nella vita. Valentino sarebbe interessante, bisognerebbe vedere però, perché non è facile. Anche Michael è andato a girare in moto, ma non devi solo andare forte, c'è anche l'esperienza che conta.

Q: Massa and Alonso could be the dream team next year, but if you had a third car to those who rely on Schumi or Yale?
A: First you need to see if the third car is possible, and then there's that Kimi has a contract for next year. Schumacher has already decided to stop running, which is the hardest thing for a driver, but you never know in life. Valentino would be interesting, but should be seen, because it is not easy. Michael also went to turn in motion, but you must not only go fast, there's also the experience that counts.

Ferrari 2007: WDC, WCC, 9 wins
McLaren 2007: 8 wins

Ferrari 2008: WCC, 8 wins
Renault 2008: 1-2 wins

Ferrari 2009: 1 win, 5 podiums
Renault 2009:

Nothing suggests Alonso would give Ferrari a significant upgrade over their current line-up worth the risk.

Its down to ferrari's stupidity that the earliest might be 2011 since hes been available since 2008.

Alonso wouldnt allow his team to go on wet tyres 5 laps before it rains. What changed? Lack of results, from both drivers. Its already cost them the 08 drivers wc, lets see how much else it costs them.

Fernando Alonso doesn't guarantee the team results. You - and the bloody tabloids - talk about him like he's the Second Coming. But if he really is better than Raikkonen, why is Raikkonen in front of him in the overall standings?


And where was Alonso in the 2008 standings?

For a driver who is supposedly better than them, Alonso sure as hell wasn't anywhere near Raikkonen and Massa.

Fernando Alonso doesn't guarantee the team results. You - and the bloody tabloids - talk about him like he's the Second Coming. But if he really is better than Raikkonen, why is Raikkonen in front of him in the overall standings?


And where was Alonso in the 2008 standings?

For a driver who is supposedly better than them, Alonso sure as hell wasn't anywhere near Raikkonen and Massa.

The same reason Schumacher was nowhere in the 2005 standings, no matter how good you are, with the wrong car you can't do anything.

Nothing in the data you posted is relevant to your conclusion. For the last 2 years the benchmark for ferrari has been felipe massa. Thats all that needs to be said in a debate as to whether alonso would be an improvement. Go and look at the results between alonso and massa in the years they had comparable cars if your really interested in a honest debate on this topic.

And where was Alonso in the 2008 standings?

For a driver who is supposedly better than them, Alonso sure as hell wasn't anywhere near Raikkonen and Massa.

So, by that logic, Alonso shouldn't drive for Ferrari because the success would come from the car, not the driver. If you were to put Nakajima or Piquet into the Ferrari, they would then produce the same results.

Why not look at this year? Both cars have been comparable in performance, as Alonso himself has admitted.

Raikkonen 34 pts
Massa 22 pts (despite missing 3 GPs so far )
Alonso 16 pts

Ferrrrnandinho is really showing his worth this year

Only 14 points behind Kimi and the same number of race wins despite driving a car leagues inferier the wcc winning car. Is that enough for you?

So, by that logic, Alonso shouldn't drive for Ferrari because the success would come from the car, not the driver. If you were to put Nakajima or Piquet into the Ferrari, they would then produce the same results.

If Alonso doesnt go to ferrari next year, then they dont deserve to ever have him and instead deserve to suffer in their current mediocrity for another generation. Only a fool, would not sign up Alonso as quickly as possible. The idea of sticking with a broken down massa and a driver whos no better is seriously mind boggling.

you forgot Alonso's 0.6

Im sorry but what evidence is there that they have comparable cars this year?

Nope. Because how many points, podiums and wins have Alonso and Raikkonen racked up this year?

There is nothing tha says Alonso will be, without a doubt, better than Raikkonen at Ferrari. Raikkonen is doing just fine. You are going on a witch-hunt.

The same reason Schumacher was nowhere in the 2005 standings, no matter how good you are, with the wrong car you can't do anything.

You were specifically talking about 2008. I dont blame you for quickly trying to change lanes once I reminded you how much Alonso embaressed Kimi that year, but 2008 proves my case.

Kim is doing just fine because he no longer has an competitive team mate.

A new overview, not of all the ifs and buts, but rather my expectation for the 2010 season.

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The same reason Schumacher was nowhere in the 2005 standings, no matter how good you are, with the wrong car you can't do anything.

I thought Alonso was the greatest car developer, why was he still nowhere?

Blame it on the engineers I say! Oh wait, that's not allowed .. at least not in Kimi's case.

You were specifically talking about 2008. I dont blame you for quickly trying to change lanes once I reminded you how much Alonso embaressed Kimi that year, but 2008 proves my case.

Kim is doing just fine because he no longer has an competitive team mate. His team mate had double his points until that point.

No, it makes perfect sense.

Here's a hint: re-register under a new name.

I wonder how this thread on the 2010 silly season ended up in a bashing of Alonso/Räikkönen (depening on which way you look at it).

Because everyone assumes that Alonso is the key to unlocking the driver market. And they are kind of right: whichever way he goes, it's going to have repurcussions for the other teams.

I wonder how this thread on the 2010 silly season ended up in a bashing of Alonso/Räikkönen (depening on which way you look at it).

So what day do we expect the announcement? Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

Indeed. A driver can only do so much. And please, fanboy (not you klover, the guy named fanboy ), tell me, why would Ted Kravitz report that the McLaren engineers were thrilled about Raikkonens ability to just arrive in the pits, tell what's wrong with the car and then go faster?

I say, obviously something's wrong with either the car, the tyres or the engineers. Not the driver. I don't believe that for a second. He never ever had a problem at McLaren.

And let me remind you that it's the drivers job to drive, the engineers to set up the car so that the driver can drive fast. This can never be disputed.

The Alonso-Ferrari rumours are a given, though, and the same goes for any movement on this subject is the key to the driver market. But that doesn't have to mean Alonso fans have to bash Räikkönen and vice versa, does it?

Im just telling what will happen tomorrow, what are the plans right now, that is the information i got this morning from an insider. If its not tomorrow it will be on Wednesday, Thursday... who cares, blame me if you want but Ferrari will announce Alonso this week. 100% sure.

Don't worry, It could be that Massa will not be ready to race next year, or maybe Ferrari will race 3 cars next season... afaik nothing was said about the future of kimi or felipe, i don't know their plans.

Announcement is scheduled at 1800 on ferrari and FA websites. Don't know if it is still valid at this moment or not, sorry.



Today i can confirm that Kimi won't drive for Ferrari next season (yeah, most of you already know it). Sorry Kimi fans.

BTW, you can trust me or not, i really dont care.

So what day do we expect the announcement? Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

Announcement is scheduled at 1800 on ferrari and FA websites. Don't know if it is still valid at this moment or not, sorry.



Today i can confirm that Kimi won't drive for Ferrari next season (yeah, most of you already know it). Sorry Kimi fans.

BTW, you can trust me or not, i really dont care.

Announcement is scheduled at 1800 on ferrari and FA websites. Don't know if it is still valid at this moment or not, sorry.



Today i can confirm that Kimi won't drive for Ferrari next season (yeah, most of you already know it). Sorry Kimi fans.

BTW, you can trust me or not, i really dont care.

Announcement is scheduled at 1800 on ferrari and FA websites. Don't know if it is still valid at this moment or not, sorry.

Today i can confirm that Kimi won't drive for Ferrari next season (yeah, most of you already know it). Sorry Kimi fans.

BTW, you can trust me or not, i really dont care.

How is it that you can confirm that? Are you indeed a Ferrari insider?

And don't say sorry, most of us Kimi fans haven't exactly been enjoying his Ferrari time. Come back McLaren!

Apologies for interrupting the rollercoaster ... but Haug confirmed they are talking to Rosberg apparently, whatever bearing that has on the 2010 silly season
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5544346,00.html

Bad news...Haug prefer Nico to Kimi...;)