The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > 2010 Silly Season (merged)

Tomerell

Sep 29 2009, 11:41

QUOTE (peroa @ Sep 29 2009, 14:37)

Well, that's what he wanted to say IMHO.
Read between the lines guys ...

I'm fully aware that you need to take Piquets (both of them) comments with recervation

I just could not resist the opportunity....

Captain Tightpants

Sep 29 2009, 11:47

QUOTE (Blaka Da Uglav @ Sep 29 2009, 20:10)

Utter rubbish. Your reasoning might be right if all three had equal equipment to some degree, but R28 was a dog of a car compared to Ferrari and Mclaren last year. True, he lost many points in first half of the season due to agressive strategies and driving (like in Canda) when he and the team tried to compensate the intrinsic flaw of the car (ie. massive lack of speed), but after Canada they found some sense (and speed) and Alonso had the best last half of the season compared to the rest of the grid. Yes Singapore was obviously rigged and that changes points statistics a bit, but you cannot deny his superb drives whit that tractor after Canada...

And this year the car is even worse and he has really hard season picking those 5-8 positions against few more better teams than last year. In last races even Force India seems to have better car FFS!! I'm not saying he is doing superbly this year but he is very consistent and always fighting to get those crumbs that are left on the table... Maybe Ferrari respects that and they see between the lines of your "number crunching".

If Fernando Alonso was as good as everyone makes him out to be, the difference in performance wouldn't have mattered.

QUOTE (William Hunt @ Sep 29 2009, 20:15)

New Serbian outfit Stefan GP just said that they still want to be on the grid next year and that their budget is in place. They hired Mike Coughlan.

Will be awesome when they rock up and get turned away.

Brawn BGP 001

Sep 29 2009, 11:49

Any team who hire Mike Coughlan should get barred straight away.

Captain Tightpants

Sep 29 2009, 12:02

QUOTE (Brawn BGP 001 @ Sep 29 2009, 21:49)

Any team who hire Mike Coughlan should get barred straight away.

Do you honesly think any driver in his right mind is going to join Stefan?

Brawn BGP 001

Sep 29 2009, 12:04

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 13:02)

Do you honesly think any driver in his right mind is going to join Stefan?

No, myf1dream probably has more credibilty.

imthebest

Sep 29 2009, 12:05

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 12:47)

If Fernando Alonso was as good as everyone makes him out to be, the difference in performance wouldn't have mattered.

What are you talking about, No one can be better than the machinery they are given, especially in F1. See Lewis at the start of this year, he looked like a monkey backmarker.

Owen

Sep 29 2009, 12:08

Glock saying he's be told he will no longer be required at Toyota. Possibly more evidence of a Toyota pull out. But there are numerous threads covering that.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...928165305.shtml

Captain Tightpants

Sep 29 2009, 12:13

QUOTE (imthebest @ Sep 29 2009, 22:05)

What are you talking about, No one can be better than the machinery they are given, especially in F1. See Lewis at the start of this year, he looked like a monkey backmarker.

So if a driver is only as good as his hardware, why shouldn't someone like Piquet be considered for Ferrari? After all, he drove the same car as Alonso. If he shouldn't be considered, then that means a driver's ability comes into it somewhere. Which, in turn, means that the difference between the Renault and the Ferrari doesn't matter.

Do you see the paradox you've made for yourself?

The Truth

Sep 29 2009, 12:18

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 12:13)

So if a driver is only as good as his hardware, why shouldn't someone like Piquet be considered for Ferrari? After all, he drove the same car as Alonso. If he shouldn't be considered, then that means a driver's ability comes into it somewhere. Which, in turn, means that the difference between the Renault and the Ferrari doesn't matter.

Do you see the paradox you've made for yourself?

This is even better than the chewbacka defence.

Driver ability obviously matters but it has limits. If a car is 1 second slower, then a driver 0.5 faster than the rest will be powerless. The car and driver matter.

imthebest

Sep 29 2009, 12:31

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 13:13)

So if a driver is only as good as his hardware, why shouldn't someone like Piquet be considered for Ferrari? After all, he drove the same car as Alonso. If he shouldn't be considered, then that means a driver's ability comes into it somewhere. Which, in turn, means that the difference between the Renault and the Ferrari doesn't matter.

Clearly some drivers have more ability than others. I dont see your point about Piquet and Alonso. Alonso is obviously much faster than Piquet, thats why he wasnt considered for Ferrari. But in F1 the car plays a lot bigger role than the driver. If you dont understand this you better go watch something else. The results this year must have shown you that. As i said where was Lewis at the start of the year?. Was his problem the car or a lack of abilty as you are suggesting?

Do you see the paradox you've made for yourself?

Captain Tightpants

Sep 29 2009, 12:47

There is no paradox. At least not the one you mention.

A driver's ability should compensate for a lack of performance in a car, though this is by no means an absolute. However, given the way everyone seems to trumpet about Alonso, one would expect that he could win the championship on a tricycle. While talented, his ability as a driver is exagerrated. On the basis of crunching the numbers alone - regarless of context - Fernando Alonso is nowhere near being the best driver on the grid when it comes to a car without trction control.

imthebest

Sep 29 2009, 13:01

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 13:47)

There is no paradox. At least not the one you mention.

A driver's ability should compensate for a lack of performance in a car, though this is by no means an absolute. However, given the way everyone seems to trumpet about Alonso, one would expect that he could win the championship on a tricycle. While talented, his ability as a driver is exagerrated. On the basis of crunching the numbers alone - regarless of context - Fernando Alonso is nowhere near being the best driver on the grid when it comes to a car without trction control.

Rubbish. I assume the driver you consider to be the best on the grid atm is Hamilton? or Kimi?

Give me an example where they have compensated for the lack of performance of their cars better than Alonso was able to do. Again, where was Hamilton at the start of the year, or Kimi?? By your logic they should have been taking wins or at the very least scoring regular podiums. Yet they werent. Please explain.

im not saying they are any better or worse than Alonso. But the dominant performance factor in F1 was and still is the car.

Captain Tightpants

Sep 29 2009, 13:05

QUOTE (imthebest @ Sep 29 2009, 23:01)

Rubbish. I assume the driver you consider to be the best on the grid atm is Hamilton? or Kimi?

Tie between Button and Vettel. Then Massa, Alonso, Raikkonen. Hamilton is down the back somewhere, though he is improving with each race. I feel that a poor car is usually a better demonstrator of a driver's ability; Button's dominance and his drivng style highlight just houw badthe Honda were. Nobody saw him coming, and Barrichello's early struggles have shown that the buck doesn't just stop at having a good car.

QUOTE (imthebest @ Sep 29 2009, 23:01)

Give me an example where they have compensated for the lack of performance of their cars better than Alonso was able to do. Again, where was Hamilton at the start of the year, or Kimi?? By your logic they should have been taking wins or at the very least scoring regular podiums. Yet they werent. Please explain.

Monaco this year. Based on their results up until then, Ferrari were in no position to even dream of rivalling Brawn.

BRK

Sep 29 2009, 13:10

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...3&hl=Alonso

imthebest

Sep 29 2009, 13:15

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 14:05)

Tie between Button and Vettel. Then Massa, Alonso, Raikkonen. Hamilton is down the back somewhere, though he is improving with each race. I feel that a poor car is usually a better demonstrator of a driver's ability; Button's dominance and his drivng style highlight just houw badthe Honda were. Nobody saw him coming, and Barrichello's early struggles have shown that the buck doesn't just stop at having a good car.

Monaco this year. Based on their results up until then, Ferrari were in no position to even dream of rivalling Brawn.

Ok i give up, Actually i kind of agree with you in that i think that there is about 10 drivers in F1 at the moment with very little difference between them and given a title winning car they would easily take the title against any rival. Which is why i said F1 is more about the car than the driver. And a point which you have proven anyway with your belief that Jenson is the best on the grid(he may well be). He couldnt do any better than the car he was given. thats my point

William Hunt

Sep 29 2009, 13:22

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 14:02)

Do you honesly think any driver in his right mind is going to join Stefan?

Yes: Milos Pavlovic

The Truth

Sep 29 2009, 13:22

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 12:47)

. On the basis of crunching the numbers alone - regarless of context - Fernando Alonso is nowhere near being the best driver on the grid when it comes to a car without trction control.

You cant say regardless of context because context is everything, and in this context your number crunching is meaningless.

Blaka Da Uglav

Sep 29 2009, 13:24

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 12:47)

If Fernando Alonso was as good as everyone makes him out to be, the difference in performance wouldn't have mattered.

Just to make it clear: yes I'm a fan of FA.

But that doesn't mean I think he is a superman (aka. that famous 6 tenths argument). He is one of the top drivers out there on pair with Kimi and Lewis, and I'm not his fan because he is head over shoulders the best. I just root for the guy since his days in Minardi. But what you're saying is impossible. No-one could do that in nowdays F1. Ferrari and Mclaren were clearly in it's own league that year and no driver could stand on pair against those 3 guys with R28 consistently over the season. Your deduction simply doesn't hold water.

Enough OT. Let's concentrate on silly season '10.

The Truth

Sep 29 2009, 13:25

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 13:05)

Tie between Button and Vettel. Then Massa, Alonso, Raikkonen. Hamilton is down the back somewhere, though he is improving with each race.

Oh dear..

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 13:05)

Monaco this year. Based on their results up until then, Ferrari were in no position to even dream of rivalling Brawn.

You mean ferrari? Both cars finished together. So they both over compensated?

evo.x

Sep 29 2009, 13:38

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 28 2009, 21:57)

...Kubica is terrible in a bad car...

EVERY driver is terrible in a bad car.
Seems that you have forgotten i.e. Hamilton (Alonso, Rosberg, etc. pick one) being backmarkers during races THIS season - in bad cars. British, German GP... rings a bell?

BMW guys are driving a brick on wheels this season.

CaptainJackSparrow

Sep 29 2009, 13:47

QUOTE (evo.x @ Sep 29 2009, 14:38)

EVERY driver is terrible in a bad car.
Seems that you have forgotten i.e. Hamilton (Alonso, Rosberg, etc. pick one) being backmarkers during races THIS season - in bad cars. British, German GP... rings a bell?

BMW guys are driving a brick on wheels this season.

Yeah but the BMW is particularly bad, maybe with the recent mods it might pick up in Suzuka (in fact I'd give them half a chance for a late surge), but let's face it, for most of the season the F1.09 was just about the worst car on the grid, not much better than the Force India or the Torro Rosso. An amazing miscalculation by BMW, but then it cost them their whole F1 team didn't it.

evo.x

Sep 29 2009, 13:54

QUOTE (CaptainJackSparrow @ Sep 29 2009, 08:47)

Yeah but the BMW is particularly bad, maybe with the recent mods it might pick up in Suzuka (in fact I'd give them half a chance for a late surge), but let's face it, for most of the season the F1.09 was just about the worst car on the grid, not much better than the Force India or the Torro Rosso. An amazing miscalculation by BMW, but then it cost them their whole F1 team didn't it.

so - why are you blaming it on Qubi?
He might not (or might - anybody's guess) be on par with the likes of LH, FA, KR - but during this season he just has no hardware to drive properly.

Hypnotise

Sep 29 2009, 13:56

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

CaptainJackSparrow

Sep 29 2009, 13:58

QUOTE (evo.x @ Sep 29 2009, 14:54)

so - why are you blaming it on Qubi?
He might not (or might - anybody's guess) be on par with the likes of LH, FA, KR - but during this season he just has no hardware to drive properly.

Dude, I'm not, I agree with you, he's been shafted by the car this season.

imthebest

Sep 29 2009, 14:05

QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Sep 29 2009, 14:56)

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

Not all Serbians are terrible people lol.

The hottest chick in the world is a Serb

peroa

Sep 29 2009, 14:06

QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Sep 29 2009, 15:56)

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

Wow, that's an incredibly stupid post.

William Hunt

Sep 29 2009, 15:19

QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Sep 29 2009, 15:56)

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

Every country has got blood on it's hands. It's a shame to see such retarded posts on an F1 forum.

alecc

Sep 29 2009, 15:43

QUOTE

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

I see you are from sweden, I hope any swedish team make never any place on the grid neither, why? Because of the Deluge:
(after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_%28history%29 )
"In the history of Poland and Lithuania, the Deluge commonly refers to a series of wars in the mid-to-late seventeenth century which left the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in ruins. In a strict sense, "The Deluge" refers to the Swedish invasion and occupation of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from 1655 to 1660."

That sugest that the swedish nation is horrrrible, they invaded Poland! Do you could imagine what they can do in the F1? Do we really want a second Deluge, this time in motorsports?

Yes, I'm sarcastic

Dolph

Sep 29 2009, 15:51

QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Sep 29 2009, 16:56)

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

OK, how about the Germans then with the second world war?

EDIT: Dang forum, I always quote the wrong person as the quote button is in a weird place for me.

lustigson

Sep 29 2009, 16:39

QUOTE (Dolph @ Sep 29 2009, 17:51)

OK, how about the germans then with the second world war?

And the French, under Jean Todt... eh, Napoleon Bonaparte.

Let's just stick to the topic, yeah?

peroa

Sep 30 2009, 09:54

So, 1 more year before pension for Rubinho?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79043

Sounds like a done deal.

K-One

Sep 30 2009, 09:57

QUOTE (peroa @ Sep 30 2009, 01:54)

So, 1 more year before pension for Rubinho?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79043

Sounds like a done deal.

Yep, then Naka to Toyota or maybe Heikki will take that seat. Then no more Naka in F1 unless new teams will sign him

Jedi_F1

Sep 30 2009, 10:06

that would be nice.. Rubens to Williams..
after what he has done this year he deserves another year!

Hope not that Toyota take on Naka or a new team, didn't showed enough (yet) this year..

hello86

Sep 30 2009, 10:19

There was an interview with Rosberg at Sport Bild.
He said that Mclaren as well as Brawn would be interesting teams for him. If Kimi has to leave Ferrari he would be a competitor on the drivers market but his ranking is not as high anymore.

kismet

Sep 30 2009, 10:31

Unfortunately for Rosberg and others, Kimi doesn't need to be ranked or rated as long as Santander's willing to buy him a McLaren or a Brawn or whatever.

That joke contract extension from last year is starting to look like one of the greatest career moves ever and should earn the Robertsons a place in some kind of managers' hall of fame. Pure genius!

petri

Sep 30 2009, 10:36

QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Sep 29 2009, 16:56)

I really hope Stefan GP doesnt get any place on the grid they are a horrible Nation (serbia) im talking about the genocide they commited and the recent robbery in sweden just tops it of how horrible people they are but that is my thought

TIME Magazine September 1997:
"Yet the eugenics program that authorized sterilizations of 'social undesirables', begun in 1935, continued long after the war, persisting until an agency that called itself chillingly the National Institute for Racial Hygiene died a quiet death in 1976. In postwar decades when Social Democratic Sweden considered itself a citadel of enlightenment and tolerance, the country was silently pursuing principles of racial purity long since discredited in most of the world. During those 41 years, some 60,000 Swedes were sterilized as misfits who did not meet the ideal of the blond, blue-eyed, intelligent Scandinavian. The institute's targets acquired such labels as "racially mixed," "low social standing" and "male Tatar of somewhat female type."

A lesson for you Hypnotise:
1. This is a F1 board.
2. You better learn some history.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Jakob

Sep 30 2009, 10:43

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 06:46)

Now that everything is seemingly out in the open - or at least that everyone assumes it is - I think El Largero is making this up because now that everyone has the same information, they need something more.

QUOTE (lustigson @ Sep 29 2009, 07:32)

Well, at McLaren he wanted to use Ferrari intellectual property, so I'm not surprised at all.

Why are so many readers being deliberately obtuse regarding this point?

Do you people have ever worked in a private company? It's not at all uncommon, nor weird, not anti-ethical nor slimy for a high-profile executive to bring part of his team or trusted employees when changing companies. Nor for him to ask for specific people be signed for his new team. This is in no way different than that...

Alonso will probably ask for specific people and Ferrari may or may not sign them depending on their needs, signed contracts and will. Anybody surprised or offended by this really is out of touch with reality or (more likely), using it as the Nth excuse to bash their favorite arch-rival.

alecc

Sep 30 2009, 10:47

So make a quick resumé:

1.McLaren - L.Hamilton, K.Raikkonen
2.Ferari - F.Massa , F.Alonso
3.BrawnGP- J.Button , N.Rosberg
4.RedBull - S.Vettel , M.Webber
5.Renault - R.Kubica , R.Grosjaen
6.Williams - R.Barichello, N.Hulkenberg
7.ForceIndia - A.Sutil , V.Liuzzi
8.TorroRosso - S.Buemi, Jamie A.
9.Toyota - ???????????
10.Sauber - ??????????
New Teams - ?????????

Besides of Toyota, Sauber and the new teams, do you guys think there are chances that in the 1-8 teams can something change, or seems it all like a done deal?
And what will do N.Heidfeld, I think he deserves a better seat than Toyota/Sauber/new team...

Amrl

Sep 30 2009, 10:49

QUOTE (kismet @ Sep 30 2009, 13:31)

Unfortunately for Rosberg and others, Kimi doesn't need to be ranked or rated as long as Santander's willing to buy him a McLaren or a Brawn or whatever.

That joke contract extension from last year is starting to look like one of the greatest career moves ever and should earn the Robertsons a place in some kind of managers' hall of fame. Pure genius!

The Robertsons come off looking so good from this ordeal that one has to wonder if Kimi himself was ever any good. Maybe it's all been a sham.

(tip of the hat to vrba and others who saw through it right from the beginning)

ryan86

Sep 30 2009, 10:50

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 29 2009, 13:02)

Do you honesly think any driver in his right mind is going to join Stefan?

Well I wouldn't sign anything with them at the moment, but if they do get on the grid and you want to be on the grid and aren't going to get on it in any other way, I think it would be worth a shot. I mean, I'm talking a certain type of driver here. Someone who has been solid, but unspectacular in GP2 or something, but if they are that desperate to be on the grid, agreeing with Stefan GP that you would drive if they make the grid wouldn't be overly foolish.

Captain Tightpants

Sep 30 2009, 10:53

QUOTE (Jakob @ Sep 30 2009, 20:43)

It's not at all uncommon, nor weird, not anti-ethical nor slimy for a high-profile executive to bring part of his team or trusted employees when changing companies. Nor for him to ask for specific people be signed for his new team. This is in no way different than that...

There's a difference between bringing people over with you and arrogantly demanding that Ferrari draft people from three of the top teams over as a condition of Alonso's employment. That said, I don't think Alonso asked, requested, demanded or otherwise that Ferrari do it, but rather that it's the media telling tales.

FLB

Sep 30 2009, 10:54

QUOTE (Jakob @ Sep 30 2009, 03:43)

Do you people have ever worked in a private company? It's not at all uncommon, nor weird, not anti-ethical nor slimy for a high-profile executive to bring part of his team or trusted employees when changing companies. Nor for him to ask for specific people be signed for his new team. This is in no way different than that...

Not only in the private sector, but in the public sector (government) as well, from experience. It's rare that a manager changing departments/office won't bring his or her right hand person to the new department/office. In fact, it's even encouraged somewhat because it makes the transition between managers easier.

Captain Tightpants

Sep 30 2009, 11:01

QUOTE (FLB @ Sep 30 2009, 20:54)

Not only in the private sector, but in the public sector (government) as well, from experience. It's rare that a manager changing departments/office won't bring his or her right hand person to the new department/office. In fact, it's even encouraged somewhat because it makes the transition between managers easier.

Yes, individuals. Not multiple people from multiple organisations as a condition of employment.

santori

Sep 30 2009, 11:05

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 30 2009, 12:53)

There's a difference between bringing people over with you and arrogantly demanding that Ferrari draft people from three of the top teams over as a condition of Alonso's employment. That said, I don't think Alonso asked, requested, demanded or otherwise that Ferrari do it, but rather that it's the media telling tales.

So, you think it's alright to bring people over with you and you don't think Alonso arrogantly demanded anything. So we're left with a report that Alonso is suggesting to Ferrari that it might be useful to hire certain people. Hardly unbelievable or, if true, reprehensible.

Jakob

Sep 30 2009, 11:14

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 30 2009, 11:53)

There's a difference between bringing people over with you and arrogantly demanding that Ferrari draft people from three of the top teams over as a condition of Alonso's employment. That said, I don't think Alonso asked, requested, demanded or otherwise that Ferrari do it, but rather that it's the media telling tales.

You have any info regarding that? I find it very plausible. But I remember, you were quite adamant in your views of how the media was telling tales of Alonso signing with Ferrari... we all know how that ended.

The "arrogantly" part, by the way, it's just a by-product of your bias or the voices in your head. Nowhere is said that he has demanded certain people. More likely, he has requested some strategic signings, which Ferrari may or may not approve. The drama is only in your head.

Captain Tightpants

Sep 30 2009, 11:15

QUOTE (santori @ Sep 30 2009, 21:05)

So, you think it's alright to bring people over with you and you don't think Alonso arrogantly demanded anything. So we're left with a report that Alonso is suggesting to Ferrari that it might be useful to hire certain people. Hardly unbelievable or, if true, reprehensible.

The wording of the report - if you can call tabloid trash a report - suggests that Ferrari has to hire people Alonso has selected from those three teams as a condition of his employment. My issue is not with Alonso brining people with him; my issue is s it always has been: shitty journalism, with so-called reporters printing whatever the hell they want and idiots believing it.

Jakob

Sep 30 2009, 11:16

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Sep 30 2009, 12:01)

Yes, individuals. Not multiple people from multiple organisations as a condition of employment.

What is the difference between "individuals" and "multiple people"???? And where does it say it was a condition for anything???

I mean, seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

jonaldinho

Sep 30 2009, 11:17

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79043

Looks like Rubens might be set to cement his record as having the longest F1 driving career of all time at the wheel of a Williams for 2010 if he trades places with Rosberg going to Brawn GP.

Partnered with Nico Hulkenberg this could be a formidable (albeit far from world-beating) pairing for the team.

Also, for Nico Rosberg this could be a great opportunity to get his feet under the table with Mercedes. If he goes as well as I believe he is capable of, then he'll be the perfect long-term match for Merc, as he's definitely well clued up on the PR side of things.

Bring this on I say!!

potmotr

Sep 30 2009, 11:25

I think Ross Brawn is insane to let Rubens go.

He's been nearly as good as Jenson Button all season.

Hopefully the Williams story is a ploy by Rubens' management to put pressure on Brawn.

Gilles4Ever

Sep 30 2009, 11:29

QUOTE (potmotr @ Sep 30 2009, 13:25)

I think Ross Brawn is insane to let Rubens go.

He's been nearly as good as Jenson Button all season.

Hopefully the Williams story is a ploy by Rubens' management to put pressure on Brawn.

Doubt it, Merc want Nico in a Merc powered car, a straight swop protects Rubens career for another year, Nico was going to Brawn or McLaren and when Kimi suddenly appeared on the market (Ferraris comments about things changing) and was going to McLaren the only seat for Nico was Brawn and the swop with Rubens to Williams is probably a move by Ross to help him stay in F1 next season with a decent team.