They might work out a deal. Now that there's confirmation of interest on both sides, we'd be foolish to say there's no chance of it.

I think ultimately, Button and Brawn will agree a deal, as will Raikkonen and McLaren. It makes more sense for this scenario to occur than it does for the others to occur.

Yeah, I see Kimi dropping his asking price a little and Brawn bumping his up a little, they all agree and act like it hasn't happened.

Like F1 always is.

its defo orange

This aint right
Two WDC [including the current one] and Quick Nick still in the market for two good seats and Renault.

What is the FIA driver's inscription deadline ?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/2...15875-21822597/

Mercedes "Team Germany Racing Inc" with engines and cars assembled in Great Britain

(TBH if Mercedes want to have a German F1 team... they should buy TOOOYYYOOTTTAAAA! ... nervermind )


So

Mercedes-Benz (formerly Brawn) - Rosberg and Heidfeld or Sutil
McLaren - Hamilton and Button
Lotus? - Trulli and Raikkonen?

The Mirror is a wrag, if you're not aware.

They have already reported that Raikkonen has signed deals with both Brawn and McLaren. That shows you how reliable they are.

That is the one paper in the world claiming to be a legitimate news source that actually makes up news.

But it's on the interweb - it must be true!

AS and La Marca do it as well - but they get around the tabloid stigma because there isn't actually a word for 'tabloid' in the Spanish language.

Couldn't they call them "Murdochs" instead then, or the spanish version of the evil media emporer's ;) name.

Who is the next?

Amazing! Nakajima signs for McLaren according to La Marca, he brings great promotional opportunities as Japan is predicted to be the #1 market for sales of the new McLaren sportscar.

"Oh, so they have internet on computers now?"
— Homer J. Simpson

11th March, I believe.

Mercedes has a press conference planned for 12.00 CET, today. They'll likely announce buying into Brawn as well as remaining as engine supplier to McLaren.

Edit:
Deutsche Presse Agentur (DPA; German Press Agency) says that Mercedes isn't interested in Button, but will in stead run N. Rosberg and N.L. Heidfeld.

Quoting myself... I've always wondered why Daimler AG -- or any other engine supplier with more than one (customer) teams, for that matter -- has never chosen to use multiple brands for their F1 engines. E.g. in the DaimlerChrysler era, Mercedes for McLaren, and Chrysler or Dodge for some other team.

The important question is, when? Kubica was participating in rally Taormina-Messina this weekend and it's pretty well documented...



And he has valid contract with Renault. So what for?

Probably because Mercedes is a more global brand, whereas Chrysler and Dodge are very US-focused.

Fun?

It would be a strong team, and not bad news for Jenson I think. I suspect McLaren might prefer Button to Raikkonen, the Englishman is a lot more affable, has no question marks regarding his hunger and would be thrilled to be on Hamilton's salary level.

I can see Vodafone prefer Button....
These all german and all british lineup are just lame......

This is the silliest silly season ever. The rate things are going I will end up with Qadbak.

"Zuvor war spekuliert worden, dass ..."

This translates to "There have been *speculations* about ... ". The article suggests the Button to McLaren, and Rosberg/Heidfeld to Mercedes GP moves, but does not mention that anything is certain. Particularly, it does not mention that Mercedes GP is not interested in Button.

With today's news on Daimler's take-over of Brawn GP, and several potential driver changes, the list looks like this:

Mercedes Grand Prix (title sponsors Emirates, Orange and Mobil 1 mentioned)
Mercedes W2010 – Mercedes FO108X (Mercedes rumourd in (partly) take-over)
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Ross Brawn (?)
1. Jenson Button (negotiations for new contract ongoing, money said to be an issue)
Nick Heidfeld (said to be in contention, should Button leave)
2. Nico Rosberg (ever more likely due to Mercedes deal)

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull RB6 – Renault RS27 (currently) / Cosworth CA2010 (remains an option) / Mercedes FO108X (ever more unlikely)
Team Principal: Christian Horner; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
3. Sebastian Vettel (on a multi-year deal until '11, with an option for '12)
4. Mark Webber (re-signed for '10)

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (now effectively a Mercedes customer team)
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO108X
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Paddy Lowe, Neil Oatley
5. Lewis Hamilton (contracted until '12)
6. Kimi Räikkönen (highly likely with Alonso-Ferrari now confirmed)
Jenson Button (if Räikkönen and his management won't back down on their monetary demands)
Timo Glock (rumoured)
Heikki Kovalainen ('10 option not taken up)

Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro (Santander title sponsor?)
Ferrari F2010 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Aldo Costa
7. Felipe Massa (contracted until ‘10)
8. Fernando Alonso (3-year deal '10-'12)

AT&T Williams
Williams FW32 – Cosworth CA2010
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Sam Michael, Patrick Head
9. Rubens Barrichello (confirmed)
10. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed, probably on long-term deal)

Renault F1 Team (take-over by Prodrive and/or Charouz rumoured)
Renault R30 – Renault R27
Team Principal: Bob Bell (interim); Technical Director: Bob Bell
11. Robert Kubica (confirmed for 2010)
12. Timo Glock (rumoured)
Franck Montagny (former test driver, brings some experience to the team)
Heikki Kovalainen (may return to the French team)
Lucas Di Grassi (long time Renault development and test driver)
Romain Grosjean (replaced Piquet mid-season; allegedly fallen out of favour due to bad results)

Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM03 – Mercedes FO108X
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: James Key
14. Adrian Sutil ('10 option taken up by the team, but free to go to bigger team)
Nelson Piquet (could be an option if Sutil leaves)
Karun Chandhok (after another GP2 season, he gets the nod from Mallya; will test McLaren simulator)
Neel Jani (Swiss with Indian father, will test McLaren simulator)
15. Vitantonio Liuzzi (has '10-'11 deal)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Roso STR5 – Ferrari 056 (Ferrari contract allegedly runs until ‘10) / Renault R27 (if Red Bull-Mercedes comes to fruition)
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: Giorgio Ascanelli
16. Sébastien Buemi (solid season with 6 points earns him another season)
17. Jaime Alguersuari (likely to stay on, but no contract signed, yet)
Brendon Hartley (Red Bull junior driver and tester)
Neel Jani (finally he gets his chance, but 2 Swiss drivers at STR?)

Campos Meta Team
Campos CM10 – Cosworth CA2010 (Dallara-designed and -built car)
Team Principal: Adrián Campos ; Technical Director: Daniel Audetto
18. Bruno Senna (gets his chance at new team, allegedly along with Petrobras money)
19. Vitaly Petrov (although Russian, he drove for Campos/Barwa in GP2 successfully, and brings sponsorship, too)
Pastor Maldonado (rumoured)
José Maria López (rumoured)
Pedro de la Rosa (experienced test driver; would need sponsorship for the drive)
Nelson Piquet (Adrián Campos said he's a possibility)
Marc Gené (rumoured earlier on)

Virgin Manor F1 Team (likely renamed Virgin F1 Team)
Manor BW01 (Virgin VF1-10) – Cosworth CA2010 (car designed and built by Nick Wirth, formerly of Simtek and Benetton)
Team Principal: John Booth (of Manor Grand Prix) / Alex Tai (of Virgin) ; Technical Director: Nick Wirth
20. Anthony Davidson (experienced ex-F1 driver)
Adam Carroll (GP2 race winner and A1GP champion, has been approached by 2 teams for ‘10)
Esteban Guerreri (has a priority pre-contract until 5 November)
21. Nelson Piquet (Booth allegedly stated he would consider him)
Lucas Di Grassi (GP2 race winner, did F3 for Manor in 2005)

Best Buy Team US F1
US F1-10 – Cosworth CA2010 (contracted) / Toyota RVX-10 (rumoured)
Team Principal: Peter Windsor ; Technical Director: Ken Anderson
22. Jacques Villeneuve (says he's in talks with the team; getting a former F1 WDC and Indy 500 winner would be a major coup for the team)
23. Pedro de la Rosa (although Spanish, experienced test driver; excellent choice to develop the new car)
Franck Montagny (rumoured although French, has some experience)
Alex Wurz (although Austrian, experienced test driver; excellent choice to develop the new car; allegedly lost interest)
Jonathan Summerton (oft-rumoured, but still young)

1Malaysia Lotus F1 Team
Lotus 110 – Cosworth CA2010
Team Principal: Tony Fernandes ; Technical Director: Mike Gascoyne
24. Jarno Trulli (rumoured)
Alex Yoong (relatively experienced and, well, Malaysian)
25. Takuma Sato (rumoured)
Jacques Villeneuve (allegedly in talks with the team; would be nice to see him with #27)
Fairuz Fauzy (Malaysian)

Sauber Petronas F1 Team (BMW-owned team did not sign 2010-2012 Concorde Agreement, but obtained '14th place', gets 13th spot due to Toyota's leaving; Petronas said to stay on as title sponsor)
Sauber C25 – Ferrari 056 (again with Petronas badge?)
Team Principal: Lionel Fischer (of QADBAK) / Peter Sauber (unlikely) ; Technical Director: Willy Rampf
26. Nick Heidfeld (contracted for '09; may stay on)
27. Vitaly Petrov (successfully raced in GP2, and brings sponsorship)
Christian Klien (current test driver; could make for a typically sound Sauber line-up with Heidfeld)
Giancarlo Fisichella (Ferrari tester; comes with the engine deal)
Kamui Kobayashi (only mentioned on this forum, IIRC)

It seems to be shaping up.

#1 to #11 are most likely confirmed now.



#1 Jenson Button GBR McLaren Mercedes
#2 Lewis Hamilton GBR McLaren Mercedes

#3 Nico Rosberg GER Mercedes
#4 Nick Heidfeld GER Mercedes

#5 Sebastian Vettel GER Red Bull Renault
#6 Mark Webber AUS Red Bull Renault

#7 Fernando Alonso SPA Ferrari
#8 Felipe Massa BRA Ferrari

#9 Rubens Barrichello BRA Williams Cosworth
#10 Nico Hülkenberg GER Williams Cosworth

#11 Robert Kubica POL Renault

2 Brits at British team McLaren, 2 Germans at German team Mercedes, and 2 Latin drivers at Latin (i.e. Italian) Ferrari. I thought A1GP was dead in the water, but hey...

My God. You truly have no idea, do you? If you read the Autosport article, it's fairly plain Mercedes have not made a decision on the driver front.

And if you knew how the nubmers worked, you'd know that if Mercedes don't sign Button and get he number one, they'll be booted to the back of the grid because they're a new team. It happened to Brawn; it will happen to them. If they don't take him, that is.

As wonderful as these posts of yours are, lugiston, I think you really need to update the section on Campos. Pedro de la Rosa seems to be falling by the wayside; appaently he won't get the drive unless he can bring serious sponsorship. It seems the seat has come down to Petrov and Maldonado. Also, Senna doesn't being sponsorship with him; Petrobras isn't in the business of sponsoring teams. They have technical agreements with teams, like the Shell-Ferrari relationship. The team's sponsor will be most likely be PDVSA if they take Maldonado or Gazprom if they sign Petrov. It should probably read like this:

The final official 2010 entry list has not been released yet by the FIA. I think the reason Brawn were down as a new entry was because the name change came after the final list was published. AFAIK BAR->Honda, Spyker->Force India etc weren't classed as new entries, I don't see why Brawn->Mercedes would be either.

Lewis #2 again?

Out of interest... Lustigson, how have you assigned the numbering to the new teams? Are they definitely going to be allocated the numbers you've given them in this thread, or have you just gone with what you think is most likely?

(Apologies if this has been answered earlier in the thread, it's got a bit long to read back through to check )

You're right. I overlooked that. I'll update it in a jiffy.

It would appear he has done it in the following order:
- Final 2009 standings for current teams
- Alphabetically for original new teams
- Chronologically for second batch of newcomers

Regarding the teams' allocated numbers, Captain Tightpants is correct:


Exactly.


No, I followed the FIA's list of June 12th on that: they announced it: Campos - Manor - US F1.


Lotus indeed came after the first three, while Qadbak/Sauber is the latest addition to the entry list.


As regards to the drivers' numbers: I try to follow the teams' rule of thumb on this, e.g. Massa #7 and Alonso #8 -- Ferrari did the same when Räikkönen arrived: he got the lower number -- although at Red Bull it's more or less a guess, since this season, Webber had the higher number.

Somebody has told me that Nelson Piquet Jnr will be a Force India race driver in 2010.

Can share thgis source with us?

Cheers for that. I wanted to check I hadn't missed something. I guess we'll have to wait till the official entry list gets published to know for definite what the numbering will be (January I think?), yours does seem to make sense though

Sutil to Renault?

It's probably Wikipedia, but that was about Force India needing a teaboy or not...

Brazilian media had reported that new conversations with Force India indeed take place, but that for the look of things, NP Jr. will have a seat at Nascar.

Sure. (in portuguese)

It's quite simple. Numbering works as follows :

#1 and #2 for World Drivers' Champion and teammate.

#3 and #4 for World Constructors' Champion team (if not same as above).

Then numbers follow according to World Constructors' Championship standing of previous year.

No #13 can be entered.

IF World Drivers' Champion does not enter following championship, then World Constructors' Champion runs with #0 and #2 (as Williams did in 1993, 1994).



Current rule was established in 1996, when Ferrari ran #1 and #2. Before, they use to enter every year with the same number (i.e. Ferrari #27, #28).

Norbert, when will you be able to name your drivers?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80168

Autosport have reported it too (about Piquet and FI).

I know about the general numbering rules, hence why I was asking about the new teams

Like he said, he went by he order the teams were named - but I imagine the FIA just listed them alphabetically.

Button might be on deep sh** right now. If Mercedes really want Rosberg and Heidfeld (who will both be in for much less money than Jenson wants) and Raikkonen settles in with Mclaren, what is Button going to do?

Heidfeld costs about the same as Button is asking.

Maybe Heidfeld has hinted that he would take a pay cut?

Thanks.

CHeaper does not equal better. Button has more pole positions, more race victories and more World Championships than Heidfeld, plus the rights to the number one. All Heidfeld has is a racing licence, a passport and a birth certificate that make him German. More German than Nico Rosberg, in point of fact.

And it's not like six or eight million pounds or however much it is that Button wats is that expnsive considering Hamilton was getting eighteen million this season, Alonso thirty-five and Raikkonen fifty-one.