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Mungo Fangio of the Year
You are repeating days, even weeks old comments without thought to fact that things have changed?
robracer
QUOTE (craftverk @ Nov 22 2009, 11:48) *
He was beaten by Kobayashi in Abu Dhabi..


Kobayashi made one less stop than Trulli.

QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Nov 22 2009, 11:49) *
If it weren't for the fact that the grid is being expanded, I'm pretty sure their seats would be under threat. Trulli isn't good for much other than holding everyone up, while Heidfeld is just slow. Get the likes of Bianchi and Petrov and Aleshin into race seats.


If you don't think Heidfeld deserves a drive then neither does Kubica.
craftverk
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 11:53) *
Kobayashi made one less stop than Trulli.

So? That shouldn't happen. Trulli shines occassionally, but that's as far as he goes.
robracer
QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Nov 22 2009, 11:51) *
You are repeating days, even weeks old comments without thought to fact that things have changed?


That article is from Friday so it isn't a few weeks old. I don't think Kimi has said anything about joining Mercedes in the last two days so facts haven't changed.
robracer
QUOTE (craftverk @ Nov 22 2009, 11:55) *
So? That shouldn't happen. Trulli shines occassionally, but that's as far as he goes.


So someone on a two stop strategy should beat their one stopping teammate? rolleyes.gif
Trulli finished just 5 seconds behind Kobayashi in Abu Dhabi. Had Kobayashi made two stops he wouldn't have been in the points.
Arion
QUOTE
"No, I have not held talks with Brawn," he said. "I feel they will run two German drivers next year now that Mercedes are involved."


Interesting, Raikkenon seems to believe Button was pushed.
Wade
Latest link regarding the Merc seat (this is from 59 minutes ago)

QUOTE
Ecclestone, however, dampened down expectation that German legend Michael Schumacher was about to return to the sport with Mercedes, who have taken over the Brawn team, as he added: "I would think it's most unlikely. I don't see any reason why he should. I would be very doubtful it would happen."


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/a...5tihiE5WEPAeGZg
zarooch
yea seems like it ain't gonna happen. Doesn't bother me, not a fan at all of that guy. Good he's staying out.
maccaFTW
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 21 2009, 10:30) *
According to the BBCreport, Schumacher would drive for Mercedes for a year while the team waits for Sebastian Vettel’s contract at Red Bull to expire at the end of 2010.[/i]"


Vettel's contract ends at the end of 2011.

So the BBC report is completely off.
craftverk
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 12:01) *
So someone on a two stop strategy should beat their one stopping teammate? rolleyes.gif
Trulli finished just 5 seconds behind Kobayashi in Abu Dhabi. Had Kobayashi made two stops he wouldn't have been in the points.

Even looking at the fastest lap classification, Kamui and Jarno were only hundredths off. That's terrible for Jarno's reputation... well he didn't have much of a reputation to me
robracer
QUOTE (craftverk @ Nov 22 2009, 12:09) *
Even looking at the fastest lap classification, Kamui and Jarno were only hundredths off. That's terrible for Jarno's reputation... well he didn't have much of a reputation to me


You forget that Abu Dhabi was a new track for everyone.
craftverk
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 12:12) *
You forget that Abu Dhabi was a new track for everyone.

And Jarno, in all his experience and knowledge couldn't beat someone in his second GP in a team and car he has vastly more experience with.
robracer
QUOTE (craftverk @ Nov 22 2009, 12:17) *
And Jarno, in all his experience and knowledge couldn't beat someone in his second GP in a team and car he has vastly more experience with.


Read my post more carfully. I said Abu Dhabi was a new track for everyone.
How could Trulli have more experience and knowledge of Abu Dhabi than Kobayashi?
athlon
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 21 2009, 14:04) *
Mercedes
3. Nico Rosberg
4. Nick Heidfeld/Adrian Sutil/Michael Schumacher


I think Anthony Davidson or even Paul di Resta has good chance. I wouldn't be surprised if di Resta appeared in a Mercedes in Jerez.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 13:56) *
That article is from Friday so it isn't a few weeks old. I don't think Kimi has said anything about joining Mercedes in the last two days so facts haven't changed.



I don't think I ever claimed that he has said something like joining Mercedez. However you claim
that he has said he does not want to drive for Mercedez and that claim my friend is pure b****cks!




alecc
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 13:21) *
Read my post more carfully. I said Abu Dhabi was a new track for everyone.
How could Trulli have more experience and knowledge of Abu Dhabi than Kobayashi?


So you think, that experience on other tracks, doesn't matter on a new one,where everybody is a "rookie"? eek.gif
robracer
QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Nov 22 2009, 12:47) *
I don't think I ever claimed that he has said something like joining Mercedez.


You claimed earlier that he was more likely than Heidfeld, Sutil, and Schumacher.

QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Nov 22 2009, 12:47) *
However you claim that he has said he does not want to drive for Mercedez and that claim my friend is pure b****cks!


He has said McLaren or sabbatical.

Raikkonen says McLaren the only option

Raikkonen adamant on McLaren option
robracer
QUOTE (alecc @ Nov 22 2009, 12:51) *
So you think, that experience on other tracks, doesn't matter on a new one,where everybody is a "rookie"? eek.gif


I said
QUOTE
How could Trulli have more experience and knowledge of Abu Dhabi than Kobayashi?


I was implying that nobody had experience of Abu Dhabi so that meant everyone was learning the new circuit layout.
craftverk
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 12:21) *
Read my post more carfully. I said Abu Dhabi was a new track for everyone.
How could Trulli have more experience and knowledge of Abu Dhabi than Kobayashi?

I wasn't talking about Abu Dhabi.
Odvan
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 15:56) *

Than he and his managers said everything could happen and door always open. wink.gif
robracer
QUOTE (craftverk @ Nov 22 2009, 13:30) *
I wasn't talking about Abu Dhabi.


You were talking about Kobayashi being so close to Trulli's performance right?
Well I said that neither had driven Abu Dhabi before so one of them could have been much quicker than the other or they could have been really close in performance.

And considering how close the cars are this year you should expect Kobayashi to be close to Trulli.
robracer
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 22 2009, 13:35) *
Than he and his managers said everything could happen and door always open.wink.gif


Link?
helioseism
QUOTE (meat @ Nov 21 2009, 11:49) *
It would be great to see Schumacher back on the grid, but i don´t believe it´s gonna happen.
He is 40 years old(?) + he has been away 3 years now,that is just too long(IMO).
Is he ready to jeopardize his reputation ? i don´t think so,but then again i´ve wrong so many times lately ;)


Um, exhibit A: One Niki Lauda, retired in 1979, returned in 1982 (three years later), won his third championship in 1984....
Odvan
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 16:40) *
Link?

Read autosport interview with Robertson and Kimi's interview to F1.com.
robracer
QUOTE (helioseism @ Nov 22 2009, 13:51) *
Um, exhibit A: One Niki Lauda, retired in 1979, returned in 1982 (three years later), won his third championship in 1984....


exhibit B: Jacques Villeneuve, retired in 2003, returned in 2004, was crap.
robracer
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 22 2009, 14:29) *
Read autosport interview with Robertson and Kimi's interview to F1.com.


Kimi is talking about racing in 2011, not 2010 and he said he has not spoken to Brawn, which is different to what his manager claims.
siberianlady
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 15:33) *
Kimi is talking about racing in 2011, not 2010 and he said he has not spoken to Brawn, which is different to what his manager claims.

Well both could be right- Kimi has not spoken to Brawn but does not mean that his managers aren't talking to Brawn/Bratwurst on his behalf.........who knows? We certainly don't.
craftverk
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 13:40) *
You were talking about Kobayashi being so close to Trulli's performance right?
Well I said that neither had driven Abu Dhabi before so one of them could have been much quicker than the other or they could have been really close in performance.

And considering how close the cars are this year you should expect Kobayashi to be close to Trulli.

Not when I look at Grosjean. Trulli has tons more experience in F1, in cars with high speed cornering ability, in the Toyota F1 team and driving in the TF1.09, based on that Trulli shouldn't have been beaten.. there's no getting around it
OSX
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 16:33) *
Kimi is talking about racing in 2011, not 2010 and he said he has not spoken to Brawn, which is different to what his manager claims.


Haug: "We have agreed confidentiality with all the drivers with whom we are speaking."

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...122135412.shtml

And besides Haug has confirmed to Helsingin Sanomat a few days ago that Kimi's management have contacted Mercedes GP.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
It's no use, A certain poster chooses only news and rumors which suit him, and tries to twitch rest
to suit him. I am not claiming any other, but I don't think others are so blatant about it
as this poster.
helioseism
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 07:30) *
exhibit B: Jacques Villeneuve, retired in 2003, returned in 2004, was crap.


Wrong years, and he was forced out, not voluntarily retired.
noikeee
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Nov 22 2009, 11:49) *
If it weren't for the fact that the grid is being expanded, I'm pretty sure their seats would be under threat. Trulli isn't good for much other than holding everyone up, while Heidfeld is just slow. Get the likes of Bianchi and Petrov and Aleshin into race seats.


Sorry man, but if you believe Aleshin(!!!!) is more deserving of a F1 race seat than Heidfeld and Trulli, then I'm just glad for you that you're not a team manager.
maccaFTW
QUOTE (helioseism @ Nov 22 2009, 08:51) *
Um, exhibit A: One Niki Lauda, retired in 1979, returned in 1982 (three years later), won his third championship in 1984....


Lauda got beat two years in a row by John Watson before winning the world championship in 1984. So he didn't make a seamless reentry into F1.

The only driver who has really made a seamless reentry is Prost, and he had the advantage of coming back into a car which was the best by miles.
helioseism
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 08:12) *
Lauda got beat two years in a row by John Watson before winning the world championship in 1984. So he didn't make a seamless reentry into F1.

The only driver who has really made a seamless reentry is Prost, and he had the advantage of coming back into a car which was the best by miles.


The point was that a driver has returned after a multi-year absence and subsequently succeeded in winning the world championship. Therefore it is not out of the realm of possibility for M. Schumacher to do the same. He does have a few wins in F1. Besides, despite all of the opinions on the board, none of us can predict which car will be the best next year. Mercedes is certainly a possibility given their overall record in motor sports dating back to 1908, and given the Brawn performance in 2009.
maccaFTW
A few words:

1) I do believe McLaren was the only option for Raikkonen... until Button left Merc. He probably didn't think a seat at Brawn/Merc would have opened up for him. Now, it has, and he hasn't said outright that Brawn/Merc is out.

Plus, we know the Raikkonen camp has spoken to Brawn/Merc. Ross Brawn said that the Robertsons are negotiating as if there's no Ferrari buyout, and there have been rumors all along that Raikkonen's people spoke to Brawn last year.

2) If Haug is saying that the lineup will "surprise" people, then that pretty much rules out Heidfeld, who's name has been attached to the seat ever since the Merc buyout was announced. One could say it's an indication that Raikkonen will get the seat in light of the fact that his camp "officially" announced his sabbatical last week.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 17:23) *
A few words:

1) I do believe McLaren was the only option for Raikkonen... until Button left Merc. He probably didn't think a seat at Brawn/Merc would have opened up for him. Now, it has, and he hasn't said outright that Brawn/Merc is out.

Plus, we know the Raikkonen camp has spoken to Brawn/Merc. Ross Brawn said that the Robertsons are negotiating as if there's no Ferrari buyout, and there have been rumors all along that Raikkonen's people spoke to Brawn last year.

2) If Haug is saying that the lineup will "surprise" people, then that pretty much rules out Heidfeld, who's name has been attached to the seat ever since the Merc buyout was announced. One could say it's an indication that Raikkonen will get the seat in light of the fact that his camp "officially" announced his sabbatical last week.


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maccaFTW
QUOTE (helioseism @ Nov 22 2009, 10:19) *
The point was that a driver has returned after a multi-year absence and subsequently succeeded in winning the world championship. Therefore it is not out of the realm of possibility for M. Schumacher to do the same. He does have a few wins in F1. Besides, despite all of the opinions on the board, none of us can predict which car will be the best next year. Mercedes is certainly a possibility given their overall record in motor sports dating back to 1908, and given the Brawn performance in 2009.


I'm not saying Schumacher can't do it.

For one, I think he's about two categories above Lauda as a talent. Given his technical prowess and his well-known work ethic (in addition to the fact that his work is efficient), the transition could be a lot easier for him.

With that said, I just don't think it will happen. He's only going to have one month to test and get used to the car; Prost had a few months before the 1993 season to do so. If Schumacher is to come back, he would definitely do it to be a world champion again, and I think it would take a couple of years for him to get back into the shape to do it, which would mean he would race into his mid-40s. I doubt he's interested in doing that. Plus, I very much doubt Ms. Schumacher will approve of his comeback, and I don't know if he's willing to throw away his marriage to do it.
helioseism
When Mercedes calls me next week lol.gif I will advise them to put M. Schumacher and K. Raikkonen into the seats, and cut Rosberg loose.
maccaFTW
As soon as I post, we have this.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/raci...writethru.0281/

God, I have no idea what to think, now.
Mandzipop
I hear Fred Flintstone is quite popular, not sure how much in Germany though.
Mandzipop
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 15:33) *
As soon as I post, we have this.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/raci...writethru.0281/

God, I have no idea what to think, now.


Thats what EJ based his entire assumption on Schumacher going to Merc. However, they were still negotiating with Button at the time and (based on their reactions to Button leaving) thought that had the line-up for 2010. That is why there isn't that much credibility to EJ's theory.
Anssi
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 17:33) *
As soon as I post, we have this.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/raci...writethru.0281/

God, I have no idea what to think, now.




That's like just repeating what Eddie Jordan said. Nothing new as far as I am concerned. We know Ross Brawn said he had been talking to Schumacher and didn't get the impression Schumacher would be making a "long-term" comeback. Of course maybe he could make a "short-term" comeback, but how sensible would that be? Make a comeback of only one season? What if it takes him most of the season to get up to speed - which I think it would take him - would he not then want to do another season - then it would be a "long-term" comeback, as I see it.
Anssi
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 17:23) *
A few words:

1) I do believe McLaren was the only option for Raikkonen... until Button left Merc. He probably didn't think a seat at Brawn/Merc would have opened up for him. Now, it has, and he hasn't said outright that Brawn/Merc is out.

Plus, we know the Raikkonen camp has spoken to Brawn/Merc. Ross Brawn said that the Robertsons are negotiating as if there's no Ferrari buyout, and there have been rumors all along that Raikkonen's people spoke to Brawn last year.

2) If Haug is saying that the lineup will "surprise" people, then that pretty much rules out Heidfeld, who's name has been attached to the seat ever since the Merc buyout was announced. One could say it's an indication that Raikkonen will get the seat in light of the fact that his camp "officially" announced his sabbatical last week.


I agree, that sounds sensible.

The impression I get from both Brawn and Haug is that Schumacher most likely won't drive for them. Also, we can interpret Haug's words so that even an all-German driver line-up at Mercedes GP is unlikely. If we go this route then Kimi could very well be the one at the top of the list. Unless Kubica breaks out of his Renault contract, which I think is unlikely to happen. It's possible, and it would be a surprise if it would happen. But I think Kimi would also be a surprise in the sense that he already announced a sabbatical. And I think hiring Kimi would be more pleasing to the Germans, there seems to be a lot of his fans in Germany.

Sutil? Yeah, I guess that would be a surprise as well. But I get the impression from Haug's interviews that an all-German driver line-up is unlikely. Or maybe he just doesn't want to raise the hopes of the German people too much for that, so when it would happen it could be a "surprise". Don't know really.

But anyways, I don't see anything in the recent few interviews which would exclude Kimi - quite the contrary. So let's hope they can reach a deal - I do think it would make their team much stronger than using 2 drivers who have never won anything in F1, or only won 1 GP. Compared to the other top teams that would be really weak. They can have their German in the other driver but they should have one driver who is experienced in winning and doesn't only have "potential" to win.
OSX
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 17:33) *
As soon as I post, we have this.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/raci...writethru.0281/

God, I have no idea what to think, now.


That's Weber just making sure that Schumacher gets a few headlines more by confirming what everyone already knew.
WebBerK
Haug mentions a surprise driver at MercGP in 2010 confused.gif
So it must beee... Heikki. tongue.gif
santori
No, no, no. It will be Nico and Nick but Nico will run as a Finn. That will be the surprise.

I have spoken.
Arion
QUOTE (santori @ Nov 22 2009, 17:51) *
No, no, no. It will be Nico and Nick but Nico will run as a Finn. That will be the surprise.

I have spoken.


ah I see, then Mercedes will be able to say it's not an all german lineup, they're an international brand. lol.gif

billm99uk
QUOTE (K-One @ Nov 20 2009, 21:44) *
USF1 has signed Summerton?


As what? Bellboy? wink.gif
robracer
QUOTE (OSX @ Nov 22 2009, 14:43) *
And besides Haug has confirmed to Helsingin Sanomat a few days ago that Kimi's management have contacted Mercedes GP.


It's a finnish source. They could have made those claims up for all you know. They might be right but until Kimi says himself that he is talking to Brawn either directly or through his management, and it's confirmed by more reliable sources then I will stay confident that Kimi Raikkonen will not be a Formula 1 driver in 2010.

QUOTE (helioseism @ Nov 22 2009, 14:58) *
Wrong years, and he was forced out, not voluntarily retired.


Right years, Jacques walked before the last race in 2003 and came back for Renault late in 2004 for Trulli.

QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 22 2009, 15:23) *
A few words:

1) I do believe McLaren was the only option for Raikkonen... until Button left Merc. He probably didn't think a seat at Brawn/Merc would have opened up for him. Now, it has, and he hasn't said outright that Brawn/Merc is out.

Plus, we know the Raikkonen camp has spoken to Brawn/Merc. Ross Brawn said that the Robertsons are negotiating as if there's no Ferrari buyout, and there have been rumors all along that Raikkonen's people spoke to Brawn last year.

2) If Haug is saying that the lineup will "surprise" people, then that pretty much rules out Heidfeld, who's name has been attached to the seat ever since the Merc buyout was announced. One could say it's an indication that Raikkonen will get the seat in light of the fact that his camp "officially" announced his sabbatical last week.


Have not read anything about that. Link please?
Francesc
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 22 2009, 17:38) *
Haug mentions a surprise driver at MercGP in 2010 confused.gif
So it must beee... Heikki. tongue.gif


I think is Vettel
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