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billm99uk
QUOTE (santori @ Dec 17 2009, 18:01) *
EDIT: Beaten to the draw, but:
drunk.gif

There are several French who could be in F1 in the next few years:

Jules Bianchi
Jean-Karl Vernay
Charles Pic
Jean-Eric Vergne
Nathanaël Berthon...

Plus Romain Grosjean, of course. And there have been whispers that Franck Montagny might return.

(Add Sébastien Buemi, the Belgians Bertrand Baguette and Jérôme d'Ambrosio, the Monégasque Stefano Coletti, the half-French Italian Edoardo Mortara and - what the hell - Jacques Villeneuve and French could be the new German).


Bianchi would be the pick out of those for me cool.gif
THE "driverider"
QUOTE (nordschleife @ Dec 17 2009, 14:45) *
Maybe we should start considering who would drive for Stefan GP?

I had read someone (can't find the link) that Stefan GP had talks with Kazuki Nakajima. If they got a grid slot expect Nakajima to partner someone like Vitaly Petrov, Mikhail Aleshin or Serbian Formula 2 driver Milos Pavlovic.
brabham bt50
Zoran Stefanovic of Stefan GP today speaking exclusively to Dieter Rencken, Autosport columnist on Autosport.com PLUS.

"We have two plans, Plan A and Plan B," he said. "While we hope all 13 teams can make the grid next year, and we certainly don't want anybody to fall out, we are hoping to be the 14th team. But if that fails, we go to Plan B, which is to be in Formula 1 in 2011. We are certainly not stopping with our plans, we intend to be there, if not in 2010, then 2011."

"If we don't get an entry for next year we intend to go testing for the year. We have the drivers signed up and we have an engine contract," he said, "and we have (ex-Arrows and -McLaren designer) Mike Coughlan on board, plus many other F1 people."
THE "driverider"
I don't see why Williams won't let them be a 14th team, it would save so many jobs, make use of the factory in Cologne and more opportunites for drivers.
salamin
QUOTE (THE @ Dec 17 2009, 22:48) *
I don't see why Williams won't let them be a 14th team, it would save so many jobs, make use of the factory in Cologne and more opportunites for drivers.


and a smaller piece from the cake for williams
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 18 2009, 20:54) *
and a smaller piece from the cake for williams

Only if the fourteenth team beat Williams. The television rights are divided up based on a complex series of formulae that take into account the team's history in the sport (ie how long they've been a part of it) and their successes of the previous year. And new teams aren't eligible for them, anyway. Not in their first year, except in special circumstances like Brawn when the money was pretty much needed because the team would falter without it.
THE "driverider"
I finally think I have the 2010 lineup correct.

McLaren
1. Jenson Button
2. Lewis Hamilton
TD. Pedro de la Rosa/Gary Paffett

Mercedes
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Nico Rosberg
TD. Anthony Davidson

Red Bull
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Mark Webber
TD. Brendon Hartley/Daniel Ricciardo

Ferrari
7. Felipe Massa
8. Fernando Alonso
TD. Giancarlo Fisichella/Jules Bianchi

Williams
9. Rubens Barrichello
10. Nico Hulkenberg
TD. Andy Soucek

Renault
11. Robert Kubica
12. Jacques Villeneuve
TD. Ho-Pin Tung

Force India
14. Adrian Sutil
15. Vitantonio Liuzzi
TD. Paul di Resta

Toro Rosso
16. Sebastien Buemi
17. Jaime Alguersuari
TD. Mirko Bortolotti

Lotus
18. Jarno Trulli
19. Heikki Kovalainen
TD. Fairuz Fauzy

Campos
20. Vitaly Petrov
21. Bruno Senna
TD. Dani Clos/Javier Villa

USF1
22. Alex Wurz
23. Jose Maria Lopez
TD. Jonathan Summerton

Virgin
24. Timo Glock
25. Lucas di Grassi
TD. Alvaro Parente/Luiz Razia

Sauber
26. Nick Heidfeld
27. Kamui Kobayashi
TD. Bertrand Baguette

Stefan
TD. Kazuki Nakajima
TD. Milos Pavlovic
highdownforce
Did not Wurz ruled himself out of the USF1 Team seat sometime ago?
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (THE @ Dec 18 2009, 23:03) *
I finally think I have the 2010 lineup correct.

Mercedes
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Nico Rosberg

Stefan
28. Kazuki Nakajima
29. Milos Pavlovic

No you don't - Rosberg is carrying the number three, and there's absolutely no guarantee that Stefan will make it.
robracer
QUOTE (THE @ Dec 18 2009, 12:03) *
I finally think I have the 2010 lineup correct.

McLaren
1. Jenson Button
2. Lewis Hamilton

Mercedes
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Nico Rosberg

Red Bull
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Mark Webber

Ferrari
7. Felipe Massa
8. Fernando Alonso

Williams
9. Rubens Barrichello
10. Nico Hulkenberg

Renault
11. Robert Kubica
12. Jacques Villeneuve

Force India
14. Adrian Sutil
15. Vitantonio Liuzzi

Toro Rosso
16. Sebastien Buemi
17. Jaime Alguersuari

Lotus
18. Jarno Trulli
19. Heikki Kovalainen

Campos
20. Vitaly Petrov
21. Bruno Senna

USF1
22. Alex Wurz
23. Jose Maria Lopez

Virgin
24. Timo Glock
25. Lucas di Grassi

Sauber
26. Nick Heidfeld
27. Kamui Kobayashi

Stefan
28. Kazuki Nakajima
29. Milos Pavlovic


2 things wrong with that
  • Alex Wurz is not racing in F1 next year
  • There will be no more than 13 teams racing

Apart from those 2 points, i'd say that is very accurate as to who we will see on the grid in Bahrain 2010 up.gif
robracer
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Dec 18 2009, 12:20) *
No you don't - Rosberg is carrying the number three, and there's absolutely no guarantee that Stefan will make it.


Not necessarily, Mercedes might switch the numbers around. Remember STR switched the numbers this year, Buemi was car 11 on the entry list before they confirmed their second driver. When Bourdais was signed they put him in car 11 and Buemi was changed to car 12.
salamin
like raikkonen/massa at the beginning of the season
billm99uk
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 18 2009, 12:11) *
Did not Wurz ruled himself out of the USF1 Team seat sometime ago?


Yes, quite emphatically. But he still keeps appearing in these lists. I guess someone must REALLY like him tongue.gif
robracer
Alex Wurz might be in F1 next year after all after seeing this.

QUOTE
the 35-year-old admitted that talks have taken place about Wurz running at Le Mans next year, while a reserve
driver fills in for USF1 throughout for the Canadian Grand Prix.


So Alex would compete in F1 with the reserve driver racing in Canada when Alex is at Le Mans.
r4mses
"Baguette zu "96 Prozent sicher" bei Sauber" ~ "Baguette to Sauber"
...he/they just don't know whether as 2nd or 3rd.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...r_09121808.html

If he's 2nd driver - smth I doubt he will be... Koba and Baguette...two rookies? - what about Nick?! frown.gif
F1_conman
QUOTE (r4mses @ Dec 18 2009, 19:56) *
"Baguette zu "96 Prozent sicher" bei Sauber" ~ "Baguette to Sauber"
...he/they just don't know whether as 2nd or 3rd.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...r_09121808.html

If he's 2nd driver - smth I doubt he will be... Koba and Baguette...two rookies? - what about Nick?! frown.gif



nah - it will be koba and someone like Nick or maybe Klien?
alecc
QUOTE (r4mses @ Dec 18 2009, 15:56) *
"Baguette zu "96 Prozent sicher" bei Sauber" ~ "Baguette to Sauber"
...he/they just don't know whether as 2nd or 3rd.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...r_09121808.html

If he's 2nd driver - smth I doubt he will be... Koba and Baguette...two rookies? - what about Nick?! frown.gif


Schumi at Merc, Baguette at Sauber(?), somebody from Genii at Renault, it doesn't look good for Nick frown.gif
lustigson
QUOTE (r4mses @ Dec 18 2009, 15:56) *
"Baguette zu "96 Prozent sicher" bei Sauber" ~ "Baguette to Sauber"
...he/they just don't know whether as 2nd or 3rd.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...r_09121808.html

If he's 2nd driver - smth I doubt he will be... Koba and Baguette...two rookies? - what about Nick?! frown.gif

I would be surprised to see effectively 2 rookies at Sauber. Baguette as 3rd driver, while Kobayashi gets either Heidfeld or Klien as team mate, sounds plausible, though. Not to mention safe, which is a keyword with P.P. Sauber, I reckon.
billm99uk
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 18 2009, 14:51) *
Alex Wurz might be in F1 next year after all after seeing this.



So Alex would compete in F1 with the reserve driver racing in Canada when Alex is at Le Mans.


So not only do they get a driver who isn't very good, but they don't even get him full time eek.gif
rmac923
QUOTE (THE @ Dec 18 2009, 07:03) *
I finally think I have the 2010 lineup correct.

McLaren
1. Jenson Button
2. Lewis Hamilton

Mercedes
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Nico Rosberg

Red Bull
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Mark Webber

Ferrari
7. Felipe Massa
8. Fernando Alonso

Williams
9. Rubens Barrichello
10. Nico Hulkenberg

Renault
11. Robert Kubica
12. Jacques Villeneuve

Force India
14. Adrian Sutil
15. Vitantonio Liuzzi

Toro Rosso
16. Sebastien Buemi
17. Jaime Alguersuari

Lotus
18. Jarno Trulli
19. Heikki Kovalainen

Campos
20. Vitaly Petrov
21. Bruno Senna

USF1
22. Alex Wurz
23. Jose Maria Lopez

Virgin
24. Timo Glock
25. Lucas di Grassi

Sauber
26. Nick Heidfeld
27. Kamui Kobayashi

Stefan
28. Kazuki Nakajima
29. Milos Pavlovic



Drop Stefan GP and I think the lineup finally looks plausible. Perhaps Wurz saw something in USF1 after all?
Risil
QUOTE (lustigson @ Dec 18 2009, 15:33) *
I would be surprised to see effectively 2 rookies at Sauber. Baguette as 3rd driver, while Kobayashi gets either Heidfeld or Klien as team mate, sounds plausible, though. Not to mention safe, which is a keyword with P.P. Sauber, I reckon.


When Sauber has gone for rookies, the results have been stunning, though. Raikkonen, Massa, Kubica, Vettel... Not to mention his line-up of Schumi, Wendlinger and Frentzen in World Sportscar. If Peter's gone for Kobayashi because he's talented, and not to secure enough Matsushita funding to pay his way in 2010, then that has to be the ultimate endorsement for Kamui. Put another way: Sauber won't hire two rookies if one of them's crap. tongue.gif
metz
With Schumi officially requeting Ferrari to leave, his Mercedes drive WILL happen.

Time for Heidfeld and Peter Sauber to make an announcement.
potmotr
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 18 2009, 19:10) *
With Schumi officially requeting Ferrari to leave, his Mercedes drive WILL happen.

Time for Heidfeld and Peter Sauber to make an announcement.


Agreed.

Quick Nick needs to get himself a deal inked, pronto.

He's played the smart game by waiting for Mercedes to sort themselves out though.

Such a shame for Nick, it would have been great to see him in a top team.
ezequiel
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/deportes...2009-12-18.html

José María López has confirmed in the last couple of days in a few talks with the press that he is 99% secured into USF1 for the 2010 campaign. He said the last week has been extremely positive and apparently the whole budget is secured, he'd have even more spònsorship than needed now! Those sponsors may be:

Visit Argentina (tourism, 3 million dollars)
Top Race V6 (Argentine stock car series, 2 million dollars)
Kwan (a web text messages company or something like that, 2 million dollars)
Some entrepeneurs related to López's father, who own the agro-machinery manufacturer Pauny. (1 million)

And apparently, oil company Pecom and the goverment of Santiago del Estero will give some money too.

Considering how cautios López has been when asked about his F1 future, I think this is really serious, so I will expect Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson to fly to Buenos Aires, to the ACA headquearters, to officially introduce JM as one of their drivers for 2010 in the next days.
MaxScelerate
QUOTE (THE @ Dec 18 2009, 07:03) *
I finally think I have the 2010 lineup correct.

...
Renault
11. Robert Kubica
12. Jacques Villeneuve

Do people really think this is possible? I mean, I'm the biggest Jacques fan (to the point I take great care NOT to post about him too often as it makes me so angry reading some comments) but really I can't see him getting a seat in F1. Le Mans with Orteca or some such, maybe. NASCAR seems unlikely but who knows. Brazil/Argentina's TopRace more likely. But Formula One...?

And with Schumacher back in a 'real' team, anyway, he'd (JVi) just be in for a truckload of flack from the journo's and fans. frown.gif
saunarobot
Ferrari seems to have lost the plot, first signing Alonso while having Massa and Raikkönen under contract, forcing themselves to sack a driver from a team where he has won the championship, probably for the first time in the history of F1. Then letting Schumacher, the most winning driver in the history of F1, to move to a rival team where he will make his most likely successful come back!
RedDawn
Ferrari made good choices. Kimi had not won the wc since 2007 and didnt look like winning it again, and Michael was warming seats. The team will be strong in 2010. Cant wait!
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (RedDawn @ Dec 19 2009, 02:43) *
Ferrari made good choices. Kimi had not won the wc since 2007 and didnt look like winning it again, and Michael was warming seats. The team will be strong in 2010. Cant wait!



Boy, I love this argument, can I use it?

Ferrari replaced their WDC who had not won WDC since 2007 (and WCC since 2008)
for WDC who hasn't won WDC (or WCC) since 2006, and who has been hugely less
succesful than Kimi ever since.

*bows in thank you and leaves the thread*
WebBerK
QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Dec 18 2009, 23:55) *
Boy, I love this argument, can I use it?

Ferrari replaced their WDC who had not won WDC since 2007 (and WCC since 2008)
for WDC who hasn't won WDC (or WCC) since 2006, and who has been hugely less
succesful than Kimi ever since.

*bows in thank you and leaves the thread*

Oh! Nevermind...

In Jan 1st [2010], people will claim that Kimi haven'y won any WDC in the current decade, therefore he doesn't deserve a seat in Ferrari. rolleyes.gif
RedDawn
QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Dec 19 2009, 02:55) *
Boy, I love this argument, can I use it?

Ferrari replaced their WDC who had not won WDC since 2007 (and WCC since 2008)
for WDC who hasn't won WDC (or WCC) since 2006, and who has been hugely less
succesful than Kimi ever since.

*bows in thank you and leaves the thread*


Its only 9 wins vs 6 since 2007 despite Alonso driving a poor Renault for two of those years, not very impressive for the Finn considering the quality of his machinery and even according to Luca he went fishing in 2008, so the replacement makes sense. Ferrari fans demanded the replacement, and we thank Luca for his decision and look forward to Ferrari once again becoming the best team in the sport.
loki
Another way to look at it is that they replaced a one time WDC with a two time WDC...
V8 Fireworks
QUOTE (RedDawn @ Dec 19 2009, 00:43) *
Ferrari made good choices. Kimi had not won the wc since 2007 and didnt look like winning it again, and Michael was warming seats. The team will be strong in 2010. Cant wait!


Would a Alonso/Schumacher lineup eek.gif be better for promoting Ferrari?

Felipe can drive the Sauber Ferrari on loan.
RedDawn
Ye that would have been better of course but it looks like Luca closed the door on Michael and thats why his recent comments about a new michael are so out of line. Michael doesnt owe ferrari anything. Without him they wouldnt have had not even half their sucess.
anbeck
QUOTE (Risil @ Dec 18 2009, 17:33) *
When Sauber has gone for rookies, the results have been stunning, though. Raikkonen, Massa, Kubica, Vettel... Not to mention his line-up of Schumi, Wendlinger and Frentzen in World Sportscar. If Peter's gone for Kobayashi because he's talented, and not to secure enough Matsushita funding to pay his way in 2010, then that has to be the ultimate endorsement for Kamui. Put another way: Sauber won't hire two rookies if one of them's crap. tongue.gif


That's a very good observation.

I can only think of Norberto Fontana who disappointed.
BRK
Sauber's announcement was a fantastic bit of news-go 'The Demon' Yashi! clap.gif
lustigson
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Dec 19 2009, 03:41) *
In Jan 1st [2010], people will claim that Kimi haven'y won any WDC in the current decade, therefore he doesn't deserve a seat in Ferrari. rolleyes.gif

Well, if people consider January 1st of 2010 to be the start of the new decade, their wrong anyway. rolleyes.gif
wewantourdarbyback
QUOTE (lustigson @ Dec 19 2009, 11:19) *
Well, if people consider January 1st of 2010 to be the start of the new decade, their wrong anyway. rolleyes.gif


Today can be the start of the new decade if we say the old one started 10 years and a day ago tongue.gif
lustigson
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Dec 19 2009, 12:55) *
Today can be the start of the new decade if we say the old one started 10 years and a day ago tongue.gif

Well... that's true. wink.gif
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (RedDawn @ Dec 19 2009, 06:58) *
Its only 9 wins vs 6 since 2007 despite Alonso driving a poor Renault for two of those years, not very impressive for the Finn considering the quality of his machinery and even according to Luca he went fishing in 2008, so the replacement makes sense. Ferrari fans demanded the replacement, and we thank Luca for his decision and look forward to Ferrari once again becoming the best team in the sport.



Fernando Alonso has won 6 GP's 2008 - 2009?

Hypnotise
QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Dec 19 2009, 13:14) *
Fernando Alonso has won 6 GP's 2008 - 2009?

no since 2007
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Dec 19 2009, 14:40) *
no since 2007



I know. Just wanted to know how 2007 is relevant in comparison between Kimi and Ferrie, since Kimi won WDC then and Ferrie didn't.


RedDawn
QUOTE (Mungo Fangio of the Year @ Dec 19 2009, 12:54) *
I know. Just wanted to know how 2007 is relevant in comparison between Kimi and Ferrie, since Kimi won WDC then and Ferrie didn't.


You said Kimi had been much for successful than Alonso in the last few years, but its only 3 vs 2 in wins. Not much difference. I wonder what it would have been if Alonso has been in a Ferrari and Kimi in the Renault?
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (RedDawn @ Dec 19 2009, 15:02) *
You said Kimi had been much for successful than Alonso in the last few years, but its only 3 vs 2 in wins. Not much difference. I wonder what it would have been if Alonso has been in a Ferrari and Kimi in the Renault?



3 to 2 means he is 50% more succesful and we are thinking only wins here, not points totally.
And if we go all recent, it's 1 to 0. Plus do you want me to get into all that Singapore Swing thing?



fisssssi
So no Fisichella on the grid next year?
fpbecker
QUOTE (fisssssi @ Dec 19 2009, 14:10) *
So no Fisichella on the grid next year?

Unless he can land a drive at Sauber in exchange for Ferrari engines - no.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
Fisi is good driver, I hope he gets Sauber seat!
WebBerK
QUOTE (lustigson @ Dec 19 2009, 09:19) *
Well, if people consider January 1st of 2010 to be the start of the new decade, their wrong anyway. rolleyes.gif

Really confused.gif

When does your callendar starts ?
Jan 1st, 0000
or
Jan 1st, 0001

Does your callendar starts already with one year ? wink.gif
Cheers wave.gif
robracer
QUOTE (lustigson @ Dec 19 2009, 11:19) *
Well, if people consider January 1st of 2010 to be the start of the new decade, their wrong anyway. rolleyes.gif


Are you saying that the next decade starts on 1st January 2011? Because if you are that means you are saying the new millenium started on 1st January 2001. eek.gif
CaptainJackSparrow
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 19 2009, 13:56) *
Are you saying that the next decade starts on 1st January 2011? Because if you are that means you are saying the new millenium started on 1st January 2001. eek.gif


Er yah:

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/mil2000.html
lustigson
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Dec 19 2009, 14:50) *
Really confused.gif

When does your callendar starts ?
Jan 1st, 0000
or
Jan 1st, 0001

Does your callendar starts already with one year ?;)
Cheers wave.gif

All Western calendars start at January 1, year 1 AD. There is no year 0 AD.

  • So, 1 year has passed on January 1st, 2 AD
  • 100 years have passed on 1 January 101 AD
  • And 2000 years -- our erroneous millennium shift -- on 1 January 2001.
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