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Biggles Flies Undone
All done with a self-depreciating sense of humour of course up.gif

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-spo...-by-defiance.do

undersquare
TBH after Jackie forgot Lewis is a British champion I'm half inclined to agree with him.
Lazarus II
What a tool.
He actually has the gall to compare himself to a black man. He actually tries to get some poor gullible soul to believe his descrimination is worse!

Then he goes on to descriminate against the "intellectually challenged".

This guy is a complete jackass and deserves a few grams of lead.

I feel pity for those that actually are fooled by this tool.
Don_Humpador
The link you gave scares me.

- A picture of Max Mosley "chilling out" presumably having just finished a whip ar-
- The article is by Mihir Bose
- It's in the Evening Standard


3 of the worst things you could come up with! eek.gif
potmotr
The offending quote is this one..

Mosley is confident that Jean Todt, his chosen man, will succeed him and dismisses as "intellectually challenged" any who accuse him of unfairly favouring the Frenchman - particularly pundits who are former drivers.

"This assumption that if you win a world championship your views are worth listening to is not true. They have driven very fast, they don't understand the complexity of the sport."

When I press him for names he says, "I do not wish to name names. Every time I say Jackie Stewart I get into trouble."


Well Max, Sir Jackie will be remembered as a great triple world champion who gave much to the sport.

You'll be remembered as a parasitic pervert who took the sport to some of its lowest moments.

Greem
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Sep 30 2009, 15:51) *
This guy is a complete jackass and deserves a few grams of lead.

You were doing so, so well up to there, but then you had to spoil things...

FWIW I have agreed with a lot of the criticism aimed at Mosley over the years, but I have also agreed with a lot of the "boring", non-F1 stuff he's managed to achieve (or get others to by political will and manoeuvres)). You know, like the things which mean we don't all skewer ourselves in head-on collisions or get horribly injured in t-bone accidents these days.

He's a very clever man, but his intellectual arrogance is a pain in the rear.
Boing 2
QUOTE
You see it is little bit like 50 years ago for the black man, he does not get something he should have done. But he does not know for sure whether it is because he is black, it is possible.

"You see nowadays it is not acceptable to discriminate against anybody because of their religion, their race, their ethnicity, because they are handicapped in some way, but it is perfectly permissible to discriminate because of what their father did."



"The black man"? jesus christ what year does this old fool think it is? roflmao.gif

mind you i shouldn't question Max's understanding of the terrible persecution "the black man" has faced in Britain, after all, he spent many years of his life organising it whilst a member of the Union Movement, a facist party who endorsed 'enforced repatriation' wave.gif


Party's nearly over max, time to crawl back under your rock smile.gif
potmotr
An article by Mihir Bose, who recently left the BBC under the pretext of not wanting to move to Manchester.

David M. Kane
Max is extremely disturbed, no wonder his wife lives elsewhere. Max is a loser. He is going to die a very lonely man. down.gif
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Greem @ Sep 30 2009, 09:57) *
You were doing so, so well up to there, but then you had to spoil things...

FWIW I have agreed with a lot of the criticism aimed at Mosley over the years, but I have also agreed with a lot of the "boring", non-F1 stuff he's managed to achieve (or get others to by political will and manoeuvres)). You know, like the things which mean we don't all skewer ourselves in head-on collisions or get horribly injured in t-bone accidents these days.

He's a very clever man, but his intellectual arrogance is a pain in the rear.

My blood was beginning a quick boil; never said I was perfect tongue.gif

He does have a way of pissing me off.
Orin
QUOTE (Boing 2 @ Sep 30 2009, 16:04) *
"The black man"? jesus christ what year does this old fool think it is? roflmao.gif

mind you i shouldn't question Max's understanding of the terrible persecution "the black man" has faced in Britain, after all, he spent many years of his life organising it whilst a member of the Union Movement, a facist party who endorsed 'enforced repatriation' wave.gif


Party's nearly over max, time to crawl back under your rock smile.gif



Yes, he neatly blames his Dad for the bad publicity while skirting his own involvement in "Keep Britain White". As persecuted as "the black man", whom he helped to persecute? What a loathsome piece of shit.
JPW
QUOTE (potmotr @ Sep 30 2009, 16:56) *
The offending quote is this one..

Mosley is confident that Jean Todt, his chosen man, will succeed him and dismisses as "intellectually challenged" any who accuse him of unfairly favouring the Frenchman - particularly pundits who are former drivers.

"This assumption that if you win a world championship your views are worth listening to is not true. They have driven very fast, they don't understand the complexity of the sport."

When I press him for names he says, "I do not wish to name names. Every time I say Jackie Stewart I get into trouble."

You forgot:

So does Mosley still consider him a half-wit? "I would rather not say, it upsets him when I say that,"

Anyway not much of an interview if you ask me, in the end the interviewer is looking for the spicy bit, a name and Max obliged.
Unnecessary imo but I think that the feud between poor old Jackie and Max has long become personal.
bonjon1979
QUOTE (Orin @ Sep 30 2009, 16:17) *
Yes, he neatly blames his Dad for the bad publicity while skirting his own involvement in "Keep Britain White". As persecuted as "the black man", whom he helped to persecute? What a loathsome piece of shit.


I totally agree with you, he is absolutely unbelievable. I wish that an interviewer would at least try to take him to task when he comes out with stuff like this. It is truly sick of him to suggest, without any sense of irony, that he is as persecuted as, ahem, 'the black man'. What a shocking, smug, turd of a human being...
wdh
QUOTE (Orin @ Sep 30 2009, 16:17) *
Yes, he neatly blames his Dad for the bad publicity while skirting his own involvement in "Keep Britain White". As persecuted as "the black man", whom he helped to persecute? What a loathsome piece of shit.

Well put.

sMax himself certainly isn't "intellectually challenged", however his highly individual sense of what is morally acceptable behaviour, particularly whenever applied to himself, results in that intellect being terribly misdirected.
Rob
QUOTE (Orin @ Sep 30 2009, 16:17) *
Yes, he neatly blames his Dad for the bad publicity while skirting his own involvement in "Keep Britain White". As persecuted as "the black man", whom he helped to persecute? What a loathsome piece of shit.


Agreed.
Coral
QUOTE (David M. Kane @ Sep 30 2009, 16:09) *
Max is extremely disturbed, no wonder his wife lives elsewhere. Max is a loser. He is going to die a very lonely man. down.gif


Couldn't agree more. up.gif Mosley's disdain for Jackie Stewart is rooted in envy...what wouldn't he give for even a fraction of Jackie's happiness and contentment. Mosley is a deeply unhappy man who hates the world.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Coral @ Sep 30 2009, 12:39) *
Couldn't agree more. up.gif Mosley's disdain for Jackie Stewart is rooted in envy...what wouldn't he give for even a fraction of Jackie's happiness and contentment. Mosley is a deeply unhappy man who hates the world.

At least the feeling is mutual clap.gif
Craven Morehead
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Sep 30 2009, 14:51) *
What a tool.
He actually has the gall to compare himself to a black man. He actually tries to get some poor gullible soul to believe his descrimination is worse!

Then he goes on to descriminate against the "intellectually challenged".

This guy is a complete jackass and deserves a few grams of lead.
I feel pity for those that actually are fooled by this tool.


lol.gif nicely done!
mountford
The picture from the article

Vitesse2
QUOTE (potmotr @ Sep 30 2009, 16:05) *
An article by Mihir Bose, who recently left the BBC under the pretext of not wanting to move to Manchester.

.... but actually because his expenses claims were about to be probed.

http://undercoversport.blogspot.com/2009/0...nd-truffle.html

He was crap at the Telegraph and even more crap at the BBC. Nice to see he's still crap at the Standard. There's nothing like consistency.

As for sMax - words fail me! Fifty years ago he couldn't have given two hoots about the "black man". It's about time a real journalist took him to task about his late 50s experiences. Perhaps Tom Bower - who I gather is now working on an unauthorised biography of Bernie - might be the man to do it?
P123
What's new? Mosley is a piece of human slime, nothing more.
TennisUK


You have to wonder what's going just down from camera view.

Still, what a repulsive individual.
santori
Although I don't agree with him, I must admit that I thought that was better done than his usual insults.

Oh, hell, I quite like elegant bastards.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (santori @ Sep 30 2009, 13:31) *
Although I don't agree with him, I must admit that I thought that was better done than his usual insults.

Oh, hell, I quite like elegant bastards.

Being a bigot is hardly "elegant"
ex Rhodie racer 2
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Sep 30 2009, 18:58) *
Being a bigot is hardly "elegant"

Nothing bigoted about Sir Max. He calls a spade a spade , and that rankles some people.
Good on you Max. up.gif
Don´t let the Godwin´s law brigade put you down. They have always been a bunch of losers without an argument other than their brain washed bigotry.
It´s so refreshing to hear a man call it like it really is, instead of all this PC crap.

Mike Hunt
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Sep 30 2009, 20:41) *
Nothing bigoted about Sir Max. He calls a spade a spade , and that rankles some people.
Good on you Max. up.gif
Don´t let the Godwin´s law brigade put you down. They have always been a bunch of losers without an argument other than their brain washed bigotry.
It´s so refreshing to hear a man call it like it really is, instead of all this PC crap.


Exactly. up.gif

The part about Mr. Stewart was very eloquently put. And quite funny, I must admit.
learningtobelost
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Sep 30 2009, 21:41) *
Nothing bigoted about Sir Max. He calls a spade a spade , and that rankles some people.
Good on you Max. up.gif

It´s so refreshing to hear a man call it like it really is, instead of all this PC crap.


Was it so refreshing to hear him "calling it how it really is" when he was working for his daddy as a younger man?

Swing and a miss.


Verderer
QUOTE (TennisUK @ Sep 30 2009, 18:08) *


You have to wonder what's going just down from camera view.

Still, what a repulsive individual.


I hesitate to ask, but what's that white gunk on his left sleeve? roflmao.gif
Biggles Flies Undone
QUOTE (Verderer @ Sep 30 2009, 23:25) *
I hesitate to ask, but what's that white gunk on his left sleeve? roflmao.gif


Well spotted. It's the white wash he used to erase Freddie from the crashgate report.

The British upper class like to wear the woolly pulley to death. It gets used for gardening, decorating and lunch at the Ritz.
Juan Kerr
The difference is Jackie Stewart tries to work out an opinion based on his thoughts and experiences, Mosley has already got the opinion but has to work out how to get there and the process he uses tries to demonstrate some kind of intelligence. The former because of his biased upbringing the latter because of his ego.
Kenaltgr
QUOTE (bonjon1979 @ Sep 30 2009, 17:42) *
I totally agree with you, he is absolutely unbelievable. I wish that an interviewer would at least try to take him to task when he comes out with stuff like this. It is truly sick of him to suggest, without any sense of irony, that he is as persecuted as, ahem, 'the black man'. What a shocking, smug, turd of a human being...


In his 1993 interview with the Guardian he made a large point that he was superior to other people by being born english(which is hilarious). He's a nationalistic revolting human.
Just waiting
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Sep 30 2009, 09:51) *
This guy is a complete jackass and deserves a few grams of lead.


only a few??????

QUOTE (David M. Kane @ Sep 30 2009, 10:09) *
Max is extremely disturbed, no wonder his wife lives elsewhere. Max is a loser. He is going to die a very lonely man. down.gif


Not as he has money, his black book and a telphone......and checks for those bra cameras
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Sep 30 2009, 12:43) *
At least the feeling is mutual clap.gif

AMEN
senna da silva
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Sep 30 2009, 20:41) *
Nothing bigoted about Sir Max. He calls a spade a spade , and that rankles some people.
Good on you Max. up.gif
Don´t let the Godwin´s law brigade put you down. They have always been a bunch of losers without an argument other than their brain washed bigotry.
It´s so refreshing to hear a man call it like it really is, instead of all this PC crap.


Max is like a Teacher in July. No class.
slideways
It's ironic that while everyone including himself seems to regard Max as intelligent he usually comes out of interviews looking stupid, and while everyone especially Max seems to regard Jackie as stupid he usually comes out of interviews looking intelligent...
Zippel
Max is still pissed off Stewart and Tyrrell dumped his March chassis in favour of their own then started achieving real success. That Stewart also ran his own team, broke the top 4 team monopoly in only 3 years, and whose legacy item is currently sitting 2nd in the championship seems to have escaped his 'intellect'.
Orin
QUOTE (Lazarus II @ Sep 30 2009, 18:43) *
At least the feeling is mutual clap.gif


lol.gif up.gif
ferruccio
In some sense, he is right that Stewart is 'intellectually challenged' because Sir Jackie is totally dyslexic. He can't read or write. But he won 3 world championships and ran his own F1 team.

Achievements that very few 'intellectually blessed' people could ever achieve
Orin
QUOTE (ferruccio @ Oct 1 2009, 11:43) *
In some sense, he is right that Stewart is 'intellectually challenged' because Sir Jackie is totally dyslexic. He can't read or write. But he won 3 world championships and ran his own F1 team.

Achievements that very few 'intellectually blessed' people could ever achieve


He can do both, though obviously not very well. It's as valid to call a dyslexic intellectually challenged as it is a partially sighted person. It's also extremely unkind of Mosley to mock disability.
Boing 2
QUOTE (Orin @ Oct 1 2009, 12:02) *
He can do both, though obviously not very well. It's as valid to call a dyslexic intellectually challenged as it is a partially sighted person. It's also extremely unkind of Mosley to mock disability.


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intelligence is the ability to analyse, percieve, hypothesise, to problem solve or visualise. Stewart can do all of these and in fact can do them to a remarkably high level.

Dyslexia is a simple inability to recognise letters or words, it has nothing to do with intelligence, you may as well call a colour blind man a moron because he can't paint a rainbow.

Jackie Stewart has come within a whisker of being chosen for the 1960 olympic clay pigeon shooting team, won three world drivers championships, was a successfull tv commentator, was a successful development driver for one of the biggest car makers in the world, ran the most successful and cohesive staircase of talent in motorsport history with PSR's Formula vauxhaull, F3 and F3000 teams and ran a successful F1 team (first year podium, third year win, first non tobacco sponsored team in modern times, one of only 2 pure privateers to win a race in the last 30 years). Add to that his long term business relationships with several blue chip companies, his chairmanship of the BRDC, his pioneering safety work in the 70's and his establishment and patronage of the grand prix mechanics trust and you can see how farcical it is to question the mans intelligence.

The fact that he's acheived all this and is still respected and admired, indeed loved, by so many proves the mans class and i think this is why mosley despises him so.



Biggles Flies Undone
QUOTE (Kenaltgr @ Oct 1 2009, 02:01) *
In his 1993 interview with the Guardian he made a large point that he was superior to other people by being born english(which is hilarious). He's a nationalistic revolting human.


I think you'll find Max's sense of humor has sailed straight over your head rolleyes.gif
britishtrident
QUOTE (Boing 2 @ Oct 1 2009, 12:51) *
up.gif

intelligence is the ability to analyse, percieve, hypothesise, to problem solve or visualise. Stewart can do all of these and in fact can do them to a remarkably high level.

Dyslexia is a simple inability to recognise letters or words, it has nothing to do with intelligence, you may as well call a colour blind man a moron because he can't paint a rainbow.

Jackie Stewart has come within a whisker of being chosen for the 1960 olympic clay pigeon shooting team, won three world drivers championships, was a successfull tv commentator, was a successful development driver for one of the biggest car makers in the world, ran the most successful and cohesive staircase of talent in motorsport history with PSR's Formula vauxhaull, F3 and F3000 teams and ran a successful F1 team (first year podium, third year win, first non tobacco sponsored team in modern times, one of only 2 pure privateers to win a race in the last 30 years). Add to that his long term business relationships with several blue chip companies, his chairmanship of the BRDC, his pioneering safety work in the 70's and his establishment and patronage of the grand prix mechanics trust and you can see how farcical it is to question the mans intelligence.

The fact that he's acheived all this and is still respected and admired, indeed loved, by so many proves the mans class and i think this is why mosley despises him so.


What Mosley really can't stand is that Ron Dennis, Sir Jackie Started out with dirt under his finger nails from honest toil and still became world class in motorsport, --- oh I forgot Max used to get his hands dirty too when he was helping in his father election campaign, all those nights Keeping Britain White must have played havoc with his manicure.
Having said that in spite of the Mosley clan's socialising with the exiled Duke and Duchess of Windsor Max and General Franco Max didn't have a great start in life having your mother hide uncle Adolf's picture under your bed before she was carted off by the special branch must have left a mark on his psyche.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (santori @ Sep 30 2009, 14:31) *
Although I don't agree with him, I must admit that I thought that was better done than his usual insults.

Oh, hell, I quite like elegant bastards.

Yes. I see it for what it is: theatre.

Every good plot needs a villain. Max collects a nice check and receives perks most of us couldn't even dream of, as compensation for his role as villain in the ongoing shows that the FIA put on.

Seems pretty happy, relaxed, well adjusted, and fit to boot. I'd take it.
ferruccio
I had the honour of spending time with Sir Jackie Stewart at a luncheon earlier this week. He is indeed a remarkable human being.

He said he turned down the chance to do Mille Miglia (with Paul i think) because he cannot read a road map. They'd get lost even before they started. However he said he can remember to this day, every gear change and every single corner of the Nordschleife, all 187 corners of it.
Madras
Max is just scum. He's locked in his own world of dictatorship and domination and he's been there so long it's completely normal to him. Unfortunately it isn't normal for the rest of us.
britishtrident
QUOTE (Biggles Flies Undone @ Oct 1 2009, 13:31) *
I think you'll find Max's sense of humor has sailed straight over your head rolleyes.gif


Yep in that case the Keep Britain White slogan he painted over a large chunk of London back in 1958 must have been his best joke ever. It certainly went straight over my head.


britishtrident
QUOTE (ferruccio @ Oct 1 2009, 16:08) *
I had the honour of spending time with Sir Jackie Stewart at a luncheon earlier this week. He is indeed a remarkable human being.

He said he turned down the chance to do Mille Miglia (with Paul i think) because he cannot read a road map. They'd get lost even before they started. However he said he can remember to this day, every gear change and every single corner of the Nordschleife, all 187 corners of it.


The most remarkable thing about JYS is his humanity.
potmotr
QUOTE (Madras @ Oct 1 2009, 18:38) *
Max is just scum. He's locked in his own world of dictatorship and domination and he's been there so long it's completely normal to him. Unfortunately it isn't normal for the rest of us.


+ 1

If higher intellect equates to paying to shag a bunch of old slappers in a German jailhaus scene, then I'm happy to be stupid.

As someone said earlier, he's a loathesome piece of shit.
Slartibartfast
QUOTE (Boing 2 @ Oct 1 2009, 12:51) *
up.gif

intelligence is the ability to analyse, percieve, hypothesise, to problem solve or visualise. Stewart can do all of these and in fact can do them to a remarkably high level.

Dyslexia is a simple inability to recognise letters or words, it has nothing to do with intelligence, you may as well call a colour blind man a moron because he can't paint a rainbow.

Jackie Stewart has come within a whisker of being chosen for the 1960 olympic clay pigeon shooting team, won three world drivers championships, was a successfull tv commentator, was a successful development driver for one of the biggest car makers in the world, ran the most successful and cohesive staircase of talent in motorsport history with PSR's Formula vauxhaull, F3 and F3000 teams and ran a successful F1 team (first year podium, third year win, first non tobacco sponsored team in modern times, one of only 2 pure privateers to win a race in the last 30 years). Add to that his long term business relationships with several blue chip companies, his chairmanship of the BRDC, his pioneering safety work in the 70's and his establishment and patronage of the grand prix mechanics trust and you can see how farcical it is to question the mans intelligence.

The fact that he's acheived all this and is still respected and admired, indeed loved, by so many proves the mans class and i think this is why mosley despises him so.



QUOTE (britishtrident @ Oct 1 2009, 14:51) *
What Mosley really can't stand is that Ron Dennis, Sir Jackie Started out with dirt under his finger nails from honest toil and still became world class in motorsport, --- oh I forgot Max used to get his hands dirty too when he was helping in his father election campaign, all those nights Keeping Britain White must have played havoc with his manicure.
Having said that in spite of the Mosley clan's socialising with the exiled Duke and Duchess of Windsor Max and General Franco Max didn't have a great start in life having your mother hide uncle Adolf's picture under your bed before she was carted off by the special branch must have left a mark on his psyche.


I suspect the truth is a combination of the above and the fact that 'JYS' has the temerity to criticise Mosley.

Max Mosley and Jackie Stewart were both racing drivers.
Max Mosley and Jackie Stewart were both racing team bosses.
Max Mosley and Jackie Stewart both recognised the lack of safety in motor racing.
Max Mosley is from a 'patrician' background but Jackie Stewart is a Knight of the Realm.
Jealousy is a terrible thing isn't it Max? But at least you can claim that your family name held you back, unlike that Scottish peasant.
ferruccio
QUOTE (britishtrident @ Oct 1 2009, 21:58) *
The most remarkable thing about JYS is his humanity.


Yes, EXACTLY! He is real.
ex Rhodie racer 2

Listen to yourselves. The venom and hate spewed out on here against a man none of you even know, is beyond belief. You are behaving in much the same way you accuse him of behaving. It really is quite sad. down.gif
Mosley has his faults, but then who doesn´t?
He´s also been instrumental in making F1 into one of the most viewed and discussed activities on the planet. Many of you might not like some of the things he´s done, or his preferred sexual practices, but I wonder how your lives would read if you had your souls bared for all to see?
So he´s "power hungry". So what? Most of life´s great men were power hungry. If they hadn´t been they would never have achieved what they did. Cut the guy some slack will you.
So he doesn´t like JS. The feeling is mutual I think, so why concern yourself with their feud?
There are many who don´t share the adoration expressed for Stewart on here, (I for one) but we don´t bang on about it ad nauseam.
So you dislike Max? Yes, we know how you feel, Can we now move on, or are you guys going to fill another 100 pages repeating it over and over again? It´s not only in bad taste, but it´s darn right boring.
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