According to this, I don't understand how Jaime found himself in the P10, please help:)

Gah... it's not hard to understand. The rules state "you must slow down and be prepared to stop"... it the stewards look at his telemetry for the back straight and see that he did not slow down then he broke th rules... it wouldn't have mede a difference if he'd gotten out of the car and donated it to orphans afterwards, he'd have still broken the rules (understandably I think).

This is all about safety for drivers, trackside marshalls and spectators... not about gaining advantage. Teflonso (not so apt now) wasn't savvy enough to back off and from lookig at the video only aborted the lap after he met Buemi in the middle of 130r and had to slow right down.

Forget the mistakes,do you expect the moaning to not continue? Apparently two years in the jungle had changed him-noticed none of that today. First one to pick out Buemi for a little chat,first to moan to the media,first to jump at the chance to call McLaren liars and lied today. Rosberg had his lap shafted,but he shut up and moved past him to the weighing booth: too much to expect? Sucks to bash someone but getting tired of all the rotten fanboys around.

You are not alone ;)

Gah... it's not hard to understand. The rules state "you must slow down and be prepared to stop"... it the stewards look at his telemetry for the back straight and see that he did not slow down then he broke th rules... it wouldn't have mede a difference if he'd gotten out of the car and donated it to orphans afterwards, he'd have still broken the rules (understandably I think).

This is all about safety for drivers, trackside marshalls and spectators... not about gaining advantage. Teflonso (not so apt now) wasn't savvy enough to back off and from lookig at the video only aborted the lap after he met Buemi in the middle of 130r and had to slow right down.

All should have gotten a 10 place penalty anyway.

The only liar is you. Alonso said he backed off late, not right away, so he didnt lie about anything. He had every right to talk to the idiot beumi who ruined the qualfying for many drivers. Senna would have knocked him out.

The only liar is you. Alonso said he backed off late, not right away, so he didnt lie about anything. He had every right to talk to the idiot beumi who ruined the qualfying for many drivers. Senna would have knocked him out.

Alonso said he backed off late, not right away, so he didnt lie about anything.

I think a 5 grid penatly for Alonso is ok, but the others who didnt back off and got to q3 should have gotten +10 penalties, would you agree? They gained more than alonso and Alonso backed off once he realized his mistake.

Any particular reason for that, or just because you think you know better?

The only reason Alonso backed off was because he met Buemi in 130R who was going a lot slower than him. If Buemi and not been there I'm guessing he would have done what the other drivers did and carried on to the start finish line at usual speeds.

I think a 5 grid penatly for Alonso is ok, but the others who didnt back off and got to q3 should have gotten +10 penalties, would you agree? They gained more than alonso and Alonso backed off once he realized his mistake.

Because the situation was dangerous and because they were allowed in Q3. The situation is stupid. Just look at Sutil still in top 10 even after the penalty.

Exactly. Meaning he did not,as he claims,back off at the first yellow.

Is there anything in the rule book that says passing under yellow gives you a ten-place penalty in qualifying?

he looks a bit silly now but people will have forgotten about it within a day or two... it's a non event really.

"It was a little bit late from myself, but to be honest I lifted when I saw the yellow flag. Maybe it's late, but hopefully it's okay."

Erm...Can we drop this nonsense?

I am still wondering thanks to whom Adrian Sutil gained one place (starting 8th according to Autosport). He should start 9th

Because Kovalainen has got a penalty for changing his gearbox.

I think the penalties were first applied,then Kovalainen was relegated for his gearbox change,decking the others up a place...

So if the penalties would have beed handed in different time order, revised grid would look differently? That's wrong, isn't it?

I think a 5 grid penatly for Alonso is ok, but the others who didnt back off and got to q3 should have gotten +10 penalties, would you agree? They gained more than alonso and Alonso backed off once he realized his mistake.

What is the difference between Alonso and others, which I don't see?

I think the penalties were first applied,then Kovalainen was relegated for his gearbox change,decking the others up a place...

The rule book doesn't define the penalties for each spesific rule... that's the job of the stewards.

I agree with you.

What I thought is interesting as well, is how they initially dealt with Buemi and Kovalainen.

Buemi was faster than Heikki in Q1 and Q2. Buemi can't start in Q3, Heikki can, but crashes before setting a time. Laptimes would suggest to me that
Buemi should have been P9 and Kova P10. It appears however the criteria was that Buemei didn't even start Q3, putting him P10 (without the penalty applied.

Kovalainen went out in Q3, Buemi didn't, hence Kovalainen ahead of Buemi. If more than 1 driver goes out in a session but fails to set a time, I'm pretty sure the driver who left the pitlane first (or started their flying lap first) would start ahead of the others. Much like if identical laptimes are set, the 1st driver to set it is given the higher placing. It's really all about being the first driver to do something as it were.

Kovalainen went out in Q3, Buemi didn't, hence Kovalainen ahead of Buemi. If more than 1 driver goes out in a session but fails to set a time, I'm pretty sure the driver who left the pitlane first (or started their flying lap first) would start ahead of the others. Much like if identical laptimes are set, the 1st driver to set it is given the higher placing. It's really all about being the first driver to do something as it were.

Even if he didnt lift, he aborted the lap so he didnt gain anything. All the other drivers gained from not lifting, by getting into q3 so its totally absurd for Alonso to get the same penalty as them. He didnt gain anything, they did.

I thought it's because at the start of each quali session the timing screens get reset and put into driver numerical order until times are set but I think yours sounds much fairer

The penalty is awarded for unsafe driving in the yellow flag zone not for gaining or loosing time. Get it straight.

I think that a proper penalty would have been to put all these guys to the back of the grid. 5 places is just stupid.

True, but if they do what they are supposed to do, then they will lose time too.

If I'm right, regardless of numerical order, once a driver leaves the pitlane, their number will move up the timing screen, and so ahead of those who haven't come out, eg if Button was first out of the pits, he'd move to the top of the timing screen despite being car 22 (that's if I'm right, which I may not be)