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Kucki
After watching Q1, I have to say that it boggles the mind how unkind the media was to JV when he returned to F1 with Renault. Fisi has been driving these cars all year, unlike JV who had come in from almost a full year off, and his hardly doing any better than Badoer.

Same goes for Liuzzi. JV fared much better in his 3 races in terms of relative pace to Alonso than Fisi to Kimi. He even outqualified Alonso at Suzuka. Had Fisi outqualified Kimi here his performance would've been hailed as nothing short of heroic by the media.

With Fisi, commentators have look at his excellent performance at Spa in the Force India and say this proves how difficult it is to switch to another car in today's F1 with no testing and be on the pace. With JV, his performance at Renault is something that dogs him in the media to this day. Everytime you read an article about JV wanting to return to F1 you hear about his "disappointing run at Renault and Sauber." In reality, he fared much better than Fisi, the numbers prove it, even thouh JV was in a much more challenging situation at Renault.
skinnyman
He was 0,48s slower than Kimi today, not too bad in my opinion since car switching, especially to KERS one, is very hard this season.
You can't compare it to 2004, it is very different.

And "rep" JV earned with his big tongue surely haven't done wonders to his performance appearance in people's eyes...
pacwest
Agreed. However I think JV and Fisi and their 'seasoned lock" made them less malleable as they got on. Both would be ok in a current car if they had off season to get setup.
Muz Bee
What's the fascination with JV??? There's been some sort of speculation since the 3 new teams announcement that someone of his - err..... experience - might be useful to such an outfit. I think not. Track record, one of the least convincing WDCs in all history in a very, very good WIlliams. Hell there are people today who say Nico Rosberg (another son of) isn't F1 worthy - although I strongly disagree.

No, Jacques lost his chance years ago and it would be a denial of the youth talent out there to elevate him back after years since his best days and such a patchy record predating that. Fisi is a driver capable of better with the amount of natural talent he has but is too content. Content to accept a mediocre result, a mediocre car, without driving a team to greater heights the way a Michael or Fernando does.
Galka
QUOTE (Kucki @ Oct 4 2009, 04:49) *
After watching Q1, I have to say that it boggles the mind how unkind the media was to JV when he returned to F1 with Renault. Fisi has been driving these cars all year, unlike JV who had come in from almost a full year off, and his hardly doing any better than Badoer.

Nope.
Button and Barrichello were driving shopping trolleys instead of cars in 2007 and 2008.
And?
Now, this season, it looks like they haven't forgotten at all how to drive decent cars - Button shone in the first half of the season, Rubens in the second.
Fisi had the same situation - he was driving a good car in 2006, and not-so-good in 2007 and 2008.
So the reason "he was driving crap cars and forgot how to drive good ones" doesn't work.
Jens and Rubens haven't forgotten.

I'm surprised at the gap between Kimi and Fisi, I've expected Fisi to do better.
I don't want to bash Fisi, but it's strange.
pacwest
QUOTE (Muz Bee @ Oct 3 2009, 20:25) *
What's the fascination with JV??? There's been some sort of speculation since the 3 new teams announcement that someone of his - err..... experience - might be useful to such an outfit. I think not. Track record, one of the least convincing WDCs in all history in a very, very good WIlliams. Hell there are people today who say Nico Rosberg (another son of) isn't F1 worthy - although I strongly disagree.

No, Jacques lost his chance years ago and it would be a denial of the youth talent out there to elevate him back after years since his best days and such a patchy record predating that. Fisi is a driver capable of better with the amount of natural talent he has but is too content. Content to accept a mediocre result, a mediocre car, without driving a team to greater heights the way a Michael or Fernando does.



Anyone who secured a WDC during Schumacher's time gets my respect.
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