Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Best Value Drivers
The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > Forums > Racing Comments
Rafo
Does anyone knows if there is any statistic on the "best value" (i.e. annual salary cost / annual champ points earned) of the drivers market?

I am curious to know who offers the best/worst value for money... This year Button and Barrichello are obvious winners of this comparison. Low salary in a winner car...

Was curious about this reading in another thread someone saying that Ron never wanted MS cos Mikka was as good and a lot cheaper, is that right? if you measure points vs salary there must be a line that justifies the high salaries of some drivers (i.e. Kimi) versus the considerable lower salaries of many others who regularly get in the points (Webber).
Madras
Vettel
Callisto
kimi is only 5.5?pt behind webb,i think kimi and lewis may overtake him ,so who is btr value?
Madras
QUOTE (Callisto @ Oct 5 2009, 19:32) *
kimi is only 5.5?pt behind webb,i think kimi and lewis may overtake him ,so who is btr value?


Kimi and Lewis are on far more money.
stevewf1
I'd say Button for this year anyway....

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...er-pay-dispute/

Callisto
QUOTE (Madras @ Oct 5 2009, 19:33) *
Kimi and Lewis are on far more money.

i hear what ur sayin but,if webb is on 3.5m? and on 51.5pts,and kimi is on 45pts on 30m .isnt your value based on ur entire points not just a season,as in kimi has earnt his salary by coming 1st once,2nd once 3rd twice?
metz
Kimi is at about $1million per point earned.
That's equivalent to Buemi and Bourdais.
jcbc3
The WDC in any given year.
le chat noir
also its more a question of teammates and constructor position as the teams don't get paid for wdc placing, but wcc placing. and its not just about points scored but money earned. for instance, jenson might score 91 points, but 50 or so of those are superfluous as they don't get the team any more money. meanwhile 10 more points or so from rosberg will put them above toyota, a few less and behind renault.

either way nakajima is the worst. at least piquet, bourdais, algersuari, badoer and whoever else managed to get themselves and their teams - and thus their sponsors - talked about and on screen, even if they didn't get points. mind you, nakajima brought in the engines and doesn't need paying, so...
Jackmancer
It's just stupid to compare salery vs points, black on white. Maybe someone will take the car in account?

I think Hamilton, Vettel and Rosberg are good value drivers anyway. And BrawnGP duo ofc but that has different reasons.
Anyway I don't know the salery of Hamilton, Vettel or Rosberg but I assume it's around 20 million for Hamilton, 15 Vettel and 8 for Rosberg. Look at the difference between Hamilton and Kovalainen. Maybe it's a 15 million euro difference on a year but if you'd put 15 million euro in research for the car you wouldn't get Kovalainen upto speed as Hamilton.

Anyway, I suppose Rosberg is very cheap for his abilities, he does really well and so far scored all points for Williams.
Uppili
I am sure as hell the in terms of points per million paid, the most valuable driver was not Ralf Schumacher!! roflmao.gif
Callisto
QUOTE (Uppili @ Oct 5 2009, 19:56) *
I am sure as hell the in terms of points per million paid, the most valuable driver was not Ralf Schumacher!! roflmao.gif

wasnt he on a reported 12m.us.?
Rafo
Agree on Rosberg, and thats exactly what I was trying to get ...if teams ar paid based on their position in the WCC, then its obvious that a driver that brings the point home is more valuable than others, then a Rosberg is money well invested versus a high profile hire like getting a Kimi or Kubica ...or is it?

How much of that extra pay (8MM rosberg vs 20MM kimi) does actually transforms into points?
le chat noir
QUOTE (Rafo @ Oct 5 2009, 19:59) *
Agree on Rosberg, and thats exactly what I was trying to get ...if teams ar paid based on their position in the WCC, then its obvious that a driver that brings the point home is more valuable than others, then a Rosberg is money well invested versus a high profile hire like getting a Kimi or Kubica ...or is it?

How much of that extra pay (8MM rosberg vs 20MM kimi) does actually transforms into points?


well, obviously this is just a massive game of what ifs, but we might be temtped to think a kimi would not have gone outside the white lines and may have had a bit more speed than nico at singapore and as such wins the race. that then puts williams ahead of toyota earning them how much more from FOM? 12MM? More, less? But then there's all the marketing shazzam, for which rosberg will be better than kimi. but 12MM more?
potmotr
Best value driver would have to be Barrichello.

Signed for less than the cut-price Button, and very nearly as good this year.
Jackmancer
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 6 2009, 10:04) *
Best value driver would have to be Barrichello.

Signed for less than the cut-price Button, and very nearly as good this year.


Have to wait and see smile.gif I think Vettel will pass Barrichello and not Button.

Also, I think Jenson brings/attracts more sponsors which bring down his cost, such as Monster Energy.
evo
What is defined as best value?

Nakajima would have been king in this department last year as he brought the whole toyota engine deal and also bagged a good few points (can't remember if his points scored made a difference in terms of WCC positions). Naka was a profit centre rather than a cost centre if you want to look at it that way.

Similarly Button in 08 had probably one of the worst driver values as they hardly scored anything. What a turn-around this year was in that respect.

Hamilton and Raikkonen may be expensive, but the publicity they bring to their teams may mean sponsorship deals etc which can't be measured 'now'.

How much is Fisichella worth as 'value'? After Spa, he lifted the team from 0 points to 8 (and FI to 9th).

Same with M Schuey, etc.
Big Block 8
QUOTE (Rafo @ Oct 5 2009, 18:16) *
Was curious about this reading in another thread someone saying that Ron never wanted MS cos Mikka was as good and a lot cheaper, is that right?


Ron did want to hire MS and it's been confirmed that in 1998 McLaren had actually amassed funding to pay MS more than MS got from Ferrari. However, they ran into argument about MS having personal sponsors and also MS demanding apparently some form of contractual #1 status inside the team, both issues which Ron had problems with. So the deal didn't materialize and MS renewed his Ferrari contract for 1999 and onwards.

Regards Mika I don't remember Ron saying that, but he has been quoted of saying that he rather spends X million to make a car faster than to pay X million for driver salaries. From that you can conclude pretty much anything and that's one of those conclusions.
Jackmancer
QUOTE (evo @ Oct 6 2009, 11:25) *
What is defined as best value?

Nakajima would have been king in this department last year as he brought the whole toyota engine deal and also bagged a good few points (can't remember if his points scored made a difference in terms of WCC positions). Naka was a profit centre rather than a cost centre if you want to look at it that way.

Similarly Button in 08 had probably one of the worst driver values as they hardly scored anything. What a turn-around this year was in that respect.

Hamilton and Raikkonen may be expensive, but the publicity they bring to their teams may mean sponsorship deals etc which can't be measured 'now'.

How much is Fisichella worth as 'value'? After Spa, he lifted the team from 0 points to 8 (and FI to 9th).

Same with M Schuey, etc.


Good riddance up.gif if you look it like that, Alex Yoong might have been good value for Minardi roflmao.gif
sir jackie walker
Kimi will be very valuable for Ferrari next year, 45 M for 0 (Ferrari) points... So cost per point should close up to infinity
evo
QUOTE (Jackmancer @ Oct 6 2009, 18:29) *
Good riddance up.gif if you look it like that, Alex Yoong might have been good value for Minardi roflmao.gif



what do you mean by 'good riddance' in that context? It doesn't make any sense...

Alex Yoong was good value, not the best value. he brought nothing but money to Minardi, and dare I say it, helped keep the team alive.

Naka was better value - free engines + points.

Again, it depends on what you consider to be valuable.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2012 Invision Power Services, Inc.