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Fortymark
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79306

This must be good news, anyone remember the old powerhouse V12 in -94?
Trouble is, what should he do with these current stupid engine freeze rules...

meddo
up.gif Well, this is it then, only Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn to go. Well done Domenicali, you mastermind you.
WebBerK
The engine pro responsible of the Dream Team was Paolo Martinelli, not Marmorini, the one that moved to Toyota.

Toyota was the weakest engine of Monza. down.gif
klover
Let's replace Smedley and Dyer with 100% Italians, the Latin team is starting to take shape.
Henrytheeigth
QUOTE (klover @ Oct 7 2009, 02:53) *
Let's replace Smedley and Dyer with 100% Italians, the Latin team is starting to take shape.


Why not! The drivers arent Italian though...from 2010 that is
MikeTekRacing
I only remember the great reliablity of ferrari pre-todt
WebBerK
QUOTE (klover @ Oct 6 2009, 12:53) *
Let's replace Smedley and Dyer with 100% Italians, the Latin team is starting to take shape.

But the Ferrari engines have fuel consumptiom problems and under the new no refuelling rules next year, it means Ferrari should carry more weight in races, and it cost time in the crono, you know...
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Oct 6 2009, 18:26) *
But the Ferrari engines have fuel consumptiom problems and under the new no refuelling rules next year, it means Ferrari should carry more weight in races, and it cost time in the crono, you know...

they carry the same amount of extra weight now smile.gif

what is somebody supposed to do with a dev frozen engine?
ItisI
He is about the only italian engine-specialist around?

Ferrari going back to the spaghetti they had in mid 90's? And why would Ferrari take Marmorini back? His last engines sucked big time ...
ItisI
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 6 2009, 16:31) *
They carry the same amount of extra weight now smile.gif


What do you mean? smile.gif
Timstr11
QUOTE (Fortymark @ Oct 6 2009, 17:18) *
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79306

This must be good news, anyone remember the old powerhouse V12 in -94?
Trouble is, what should he do with these current stupid engine freeze rules...

QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 6 2009, 18:31) *
what is somebody supposed to do with a dev frozen engine?
Think ahead people.
The engine freeze will not last forever. A new engine formula could come as soon as 2013, or somewhat later.
In any case, development will start several years before that.
Oracle
This is according the seacret strategy file named BAD-O'-ER which key point is that if any team member is to be replaced then do it rather with an Italian speakin person than with the best possible choice available to Ferrari


Great victories wait for the new Ferrari
donskar
I do not think this is good news. Simon did a good job for several years (under Paolo Martinelli it must be remembered).

I assume part of the reason for his replacement is:
1) His last engine was a bit behind M-B in both power and fuel economy
2) Simon was a Todt man

The Scuderia did very well with Simon and without Marmorini . . .
F1Champion
Simon worked with Martinelli to make some fantastic engines. Yes, its true that reliability cost the Scuderia dearly in 2007 with the Hungary GP, but he was part of the second tier management who stepped up once Jean Todt left. I think it

Marmorini was a Ferrari man and was responsible for some powerful Toyota engines, so he will be welcomed back at Ferrari, but losing Simon is big loss.

I think most engine developers are a little frustrated with the new engine rules, Simon might of been fed up of being mainly responsible for engine electronics rather than engine development with the development freeze. It isn't like the good old days where new metals were tested and you had new piston designs, and the fuels etc, its too restrictive now.
Marmorini also was a little frustrated with the new rules and perhaps also with the Toyota management so he decided to switch.

I'd like to see Simon take charge of the road car engine division, his F1 experience would be invaluable as Ferrari engines are becoming more powerful, having to lower emissions and improve MPG, more of a technological challenge than the F1 engines.
VicR
Changes within teams happen. That's life. Besides, Martinelli was the main guy for so many years. Simon did well when he was in sole control from the end of 2006. There's no reason why Marmorini won't do well. It's different times now. This is not the early to mid 90s anymore. Back then the company was shaking and rocking for years after Enzo's passing. So many wanted the biggest piece of the pie. It has settled down for decades now. At least on the engineering side.
Clatter
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Oct 6 2009, 16:36) *
The engine pro responsible of the Dream Team was Paolo Martinelli, not Marmorini, the one that moved to Toyota.

Toyota was the weakest engine of Monza. down.gif


Did it suddenly become the 2nd best engine in Japan?
britishtrident
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 6 2009, 17:19) *
I only remember the great reliablity of ferrari pre-todt


Todt would never put his pink cardi near an engine.
Ferrari were the most reliable and powerful engines in the Lauda era however the flat 12 cylinder was NBG for ground effect cars, the 1980s early 90s were an all time low for Ferrari.
Go further back to the 1950s through to 1964 and Ferrari always had he best engine.
britishtrident
QUOTE (Clatter @ Oct 6 2009, 19:45) *
Did it suddenly become the 2nd best engine in Japan?

Yep a lot more down to getting the right aero for a circuit and getting this years tyres to work on each circuit.
britishtrident
QUOTE (Oracle @ Oct 6 2009, 18:16) *
This is according the seacret strategy file named BAD-O'-ER which key point is that if any team member is to be replaced then do it rather with an Italian speakin person than with the best possible choice available to Ferrari


Great victories wait for the new Ferrari



I am pretty sure a lot of teams would love to hire Rob Smedley
One
Is marmorini better than Gilles Simon?
maverick69
Maybe Ron has been on the phone....?
JarnoA
QUOTE (britishtrident @ Oct 6 2009, 21:33) *
I am pretty sure a lot of teams would love to hire Rob Smedley


I reckon NPJ would have had considerably better results if he had Smedley as his RE at Renault. Piquet is like Massa where he needs constant encouragement and stroking him through the laps. Smedley is the ultimate at this. This approach works with some drivers, (Massa and I reckon particuarly PK J it would have worked), but to some other drivers, it just pisses them off, (Listen to Badoer messages to RS).
DePortago
What about Geoff Willis? Is he an spaghetti too?
Nathan
QUOTE (meddo @ Oct 6 2009, 07:22) *
up.gif Well, this is it then, only Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn to go. Well done Domenicali, you mastermind you.

lol! roflmao.gif wave.gif up.gif
Nathan
QUOTE (One @ Oct 6 2009, 12:36) *
Is marmorini better than Gilles Simon?

It is not like they are drivers.
Just waiting
QUOTE (klover @ Oct 6 2009, 10:53) *
Let's replace Smedley and Dyer with 100% Italians, the Latin team is starting to take shape.

Yeah, Alonso should be celebrating if he went there, the first year after MS left....the ferrari team leaders have become such a joke.. roflmao.gif .....fuel systems that cost a WDC; cars running out of gas leaving pits for qing, bad tire choices, and on and on....

the team and cars will probably be average next year, another toyota,,,,fa should have gone to brawn for this year and next....he would be winning the WDC lol.gif

The joke is on FA, atleast he is well paid... ohwell.gif
britishtrident
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Oct 6 2009, 21:54) *
I reckon NPJ would have had considerably better results if he had Smedley as his RE at Renault. Piquet is like Massa where he needs constant encouragement and stroking him through the laps. Smedley is the ultimate at this. This approach works with some drivers, (Massa and I reckon particuarly PK J it would have worked), but to some other drivers, it just pisses them off, (Listen to Badoer messages to RS).


Neither Massa or Piquet are ever likely to be described as the worlds greatest drivers ---- Massa is a typical Ferrari No 2 journeyman driver forced into the number one spot because Kimi didn't shine at Ferrari, in Piquet's case he should have been drummed out of F1 halfway through his first season.
OSX
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Oct 6 2009, 19:26) *
But the Ferrari engines have fuel consumptiom problems and under the new no refuelling rules next year, it means Ferrari should carry more weight in races, and it cost time in the crono, you know...


I'm sure I read somewhere recently that the issue had been solved. Where was that...
JDeRosa
not overly happy about this... Simon produced great engines and has been one of Ferrari's stronger points, Toyota had the most powerful engines a few years ago, but it's not just about BHP, oh well, let's see how it goes!
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