Aren´t you excited about the possibility of a Williams-Renault team for next season?

I'm not that nostalgical.

Source?

What source??? If they are dumping Toyota, Merc is not an option and they don't want Cosworth the only real options are Renault and Ferrari. So its either one or the other and by that logic the "possibility" is pretty freakin high. So what source do you need again?

I've heard a ton of rumours, but nothing is concrete yet.

Renault are not what they use to be with their engines so it's not that big of a deal

Yeah, Red Bull have made no use of that lump have they

Williams with Ferrari engine, now that would be nostalgic.

exactly, Red Bull has only scored 4 victories with the Renault engine this year, that's nothing.

sounds pretty good, but wouldn't change anything... probably more engine failures, but no performance increase.

Yep, I've lost count of how many engines have let go on Fernando, Romain and Nelson this year.

thats why I just said probably. Vettel was a bit unlucky.

Removing my sarcasm for a second, assuming Williams don't 'borrow' the engine cover design from RedBull they should be fine. It's just too skinny to cool the RS27 effectively I reckon.

If next season is 1992... Yes!

If that becomes truth, let´s hope Williams make a good car, although the "powered" rs27 engine in not as reliable as it used to be. Williams-Renault was a very successful connection, it would be sad to see them crawling.

It's the bland leading the bland.

Oh golly gosh all so exciting I nearly wet myself.
With all the Williams tantrums of late I am surprise any FOTA engine engine supplier wants to deal with them -- let them eat Cosworth.

...says the guy with a McLaren in his avatar

and then beating their engine suppliers... now that would be hilarious

Brilliant... Glory Days return.

If we do sign to use Renault engines we will get a very good engine. I would be very excited if we were not using V8's though. We have more experience of V10's with Renault. So the characteristics of the engine will be an unknown quantity to us.

Meaning

On topic - what's to be nostalgic about Williams Renault? Seeing a Williams pair both on the podium, that would be something to be nostalgic about! Since they can't afford a top driver and Rosberg appears to be on his way somewhere else I don't see them soaring to the top of the constructors championship anytime soon. Sadly.

Because McLaren are a bland and most corporate of teams, heavy in Ron-speak.

Toyota may be dull... but at least they don't have three layers of management and thus stumble to do things like: take laps too long to decide to fit wet tyres, have a pit-stop without bringing the tyres out of the garage etc...

Is there a way I arrange this persons post to not appear on my screen?

Apparantly so it designing a winning chassis.

I like nostalgia, I like this.

Back in 2006 I liked the sound of going back to Williams-Cosworth. I hope a Williams-Renault partnership turns out to be just a little bit more successful.

so how did vettel win on sunday then?

because suzuka is such an engine track isn't it

the renault block is weak as piss, RB would have run away with things this year if they'd had a merc in the back

Superior areo and great handling.....with the tires and car set up that worked great for that track surface at that track temperature......and a Renault engine that did not blow up like the others ..... .......of course i could include the driver

Because obviously, Monaco for example, is such an engine track, isn't it?

If the Renault block was so bad, it wouldn't have won 4 races. The fact is that Newey makes cars that destroy engines. How many engine failures have Alonso, PK, or RG had?

Red Bull have a fast car at the expense of reliability. Just like the McLaren of 2005.

You could put a Merc, Renault, Toyota, Cosworth, Ferrari or any other engine in the RB. It would win races, but blow engines because of Newey's design's.

Oh!
And they have a large collection of cars which go back to the first car - an Austin - which Bruce McLaren raced. I think they have every bit of passion of any of the teams. They have had some of the nicest cars, paint jobs, drivers, wins, failures. They are part and parcel of the DNA of F1. Yes Ron dennis is somewhat of a bland personality - he started his career as a mechanic - but so what? McLaren are more than the sum of their parts, like Williams, they contain a large dollop of F1 tradition and competitive spirit.

Your last set of comments could be applied to any team in F1 - human errors occur at every team including the beloved Scuderia Ferrari. The three wheeled Ferrari or Renault, the fuel hose which made it all the way to the end of pitlane etc....

I don't dislike any team although there have been times when it has been hard to love Ferrari in the Schumacher era.

Like?

KERS - never said they were going to use just that they were to develop it, remember it would be a good external business for them.
14th team - They weren't the only team who objected to it.
Signing up for next season - Ensured the team survived.

Not really. While the Renault engine as been better than their current Toyota units, it's still not as good as the Mercedes ones.

Explain to me that how did Newey's designs win with Williams from 1992 to 1997?

i don't see your point here



i said weak, not bad, slight difference there

look at the starting grid for monza (which is THE engine track)
1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
3 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
4 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes
5 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes
6 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes
7 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes
8 Fernando Alonso Renault
9 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault
10 Mark Webber RBR-Renault

see a pattern there? (fred had kers btw)
that is every single merc car on the grid in the top 7, and with the current engine freeze regs, that is a joke (i don't care whos fault it is, merc's, fia's, dodgy regulations, but it's and effing joke)



Im talking pure performance here, not reliablity.
but your right, its obvious the tight packaging on the rb5 has compromised cooling somewhat, which has had a major effect on the championship.
but performance wise, the renault has fallen well short this year. (and could possibly be contributing to the cooling problems - look at the massive cooling holes at the rear of the renault, are they compromising aero too much because the engine is too hot?)




i agree, but at monza, spa etc it would only win with a merc.

seemed to have drifted off topic here, sorry
...so in conclusion williams should get a merc lol

In these days of equalized engines, one can't expect to be as excited about any engine deal as in the old days.

Wow!