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Cenotaph
so many hours doing practice at road america today. im exhausted, the FW31 is a beast smile.gif


im both surprised and pleased to see that it does compare nicely with FVA. was expecting the fw31 to be more rough, but it isnt at all, its very similar.
Mat
Yes, its amazing how forgiving it is. Just soooooo much grip. Amazing!

Kucki
This car is so mentally challenging. I have to concentrate very hard but sometimes its like my brain cant keep up with whats happening and I'm starting to react delayed on things instead of acting in the friction of the moment, then its like I dont drive the car anymore, I'm more like a passenger. Everytime I'm surprised how late I could have braked, one really has to learn to THINK faster.
Exar Kun
Yeah, the faster open wheelers in iRacing really are cars where you have to think hard about your approaching braking point and then force yourself to hammer the brakes and really concentrate on maximising the traction circle. There's very little coasting or part throttle time.
Dunder
Both the new cars I have tried today in iRacing (FW31 and MX5) are excellent, just excellent.

I only had about 20 laps of running in the Williams at Silverstone and am just gradually picking up the pace and gathering ideas for a baseline in terms of setup. I have the high downforce package on at the moment which is too much for this track. With it the car has so much grip and I find controlling the car quite easy and the handling very predictable.

I am ironically having more issues with the MX5! It has much more grip than the Solstice and you can really throw it into the corners but it is very easy to lock the fronts under heavy braking.



Nasty McBastard
The williams is awesome. And it SOUNDS awesome.
Obviously Ive never driven a F1 but it feels like I think it should. Tons of downforce, loads of high speed grip, kinda slidey and catchable in slower stuff, but if/when it lets go in the quick stuff youre dead before you know it.
Already noticed you need to be more precise than just about everything else, and everything just happens so fast. Ive lost count of the times Ive straight up not noticed a car stuffed in the barriers, or got tangled up in someones moment because I was already on it before itd even registered in my brain that shit was going down. And it only takes someone to brake a tiny bit earlier than you expect and youre balls deep in them.

It generally makes me feel like a racing god.

The mazdas arent bad either.

Now I need to rethink what Im doing next season. Pretty sure Im doing F1, I wanted to do the dallara again, I wanted to the the fixed vette and mustang races, but now Im tempted to do a mx5 season. Ill be lucky to have time for half of that, even with the fixed series taking up bugger all time to practice and race.
Exar Kun
I'll probably stick with the Williams fun series. I haven't run a single official race this season, I don't think, so having the option to jump into one of the higher end cars with a fixed setup and just go for it will be pretty good for me.
FredrikB
QUOTE (Dunder @ Oct 27 2010, 18:33) *
I am ironically having more issues with the MX5! It has much more grip than the Solstice and you can really throw it into the corners but it is very easy to lock the fronts under heavy braking.

Try the Solstice again. It got some new tires with this build with more grip. They should be pretty similar now.
Graybearded
I've been running the Dallara at Talledega and Charlotte...

did my own setups too...got the tire temps almost perfect...

OssieFan
The Williams is freaking awesome! It's like playing the game 10x speed, as has being said, you really have to be on the ball.

Loving the Mazda's too, so much more fun than the Solstice!
Dunder
QUOTE (FredrikB @ Oct 28 2010, 06:27) *
Try the Solstice again. It got some new tires with this build with more grip. They should be pretty similar now.


I did have a run in the "advanced" Solstice and its new tyre model and was about 2.5 seconds faster around LS than my previous PB. I was only about 0.5 faster than that in the MX5 albeit I think I will find a fair bit more.
Scotracer
QUOTE (Kucki @ Oct 28 2010, 01:19) *
This car is so mentally challenging. I have to concentrate very hard but sometimes its like my brain cant keep up with whats happening and I'm starting to react delayed on things instead of acting in the friction of the moment, then its like I dont drive the car anymore, I'm more like a passenger. Everytime I'm surprised how late I could have braked, one really has to learn to THINK faster.


That's what makes a real F1 driver - they don't think about it...it's instinctive cool.gif

I tried a torrent version of FVA when it came out and it was great fun. Is it worth buying it to have Mugello? And I still don't have iRacing...is there any cheap sub that gives me access to the FW31?

Oh and I'm now running a 13" MBP...will that run iRacing? It runs rFactor perfect but iRacing is a lot more graphically demanding from what I remember.

SchumiBoy
Autosport giving iracing.com a little PR
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/87787
Slowinfastout
The fixed setup for Silverstone, which feels quite nice, is a good 4 seconds slower than last year's real qual times...

I haven't tried to tweak it yet.. dump fuel, etc.. to see how fast it would be with a qualy setting, it's mentally draining enough at that speed already..

Reasonable lap is in the 1m24s... couple of fast guys have been doing 22s..
Requiem84
QUOTE (Scotracer @ Oct 28 2010, 16:11) *
That's what makes a real F1 driver - they don't think about it...it's instinctive cool.gif

I tried a torrent version of FVA when it came out and it was great fun. Is it worth buying it to have Mugello? And I still don't have iRacing...is there any cheap sub that gives me access to the FW31?

Oh and I'm now running a 13" MBP...will that run iRacing? It runs rFactor perfect but iRacing is a lot more graphically demanding from what I remember.


Mugello gives a much better reflection of what an F1 car feels like than Fiorano, which is just not F1 worthy. Definitely worth the money..

On the other hand, the Williams is a better bargain, as you can race online against other people. For me that's what it's all about.

I just renewed my subscription for 3 months and bought the Williams. Could only manage 3 laps with it on Zandvoort sofar, and it's quite good I think. Only grip was that I couldn't really feel the back end stepping out on me yet... FVA felt a bit better. Though I agree with Exar that iRacing gives you a better feeling on the brakes than nkPro based simulatons

The onboard sound is horrible though, or is it just me? Steering ffb felt quite weak, but I'm sure you can dial that out. More testing later tonight and tomorrow.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (Requiem84 @ Oct 28 2010, 12:36) *
The onboard sound is horrible though, or is it just me? Steering ffb felt quite weak, but I'm sure you can dial that out. More testing later tonight and tomorrow.


I don't find the onboard sound to be horrible but it's a bit weak IMHO, consistent with all the other iRacing onboard sounds... seems the idea is that you REAllY have to crank it and it still kinda sounds muffled.. maybe to try to replicate wearing a helmet of something..

The replay sounds outside the car is fantastic however! eek.gif

I haven't tried FVA to compare, but to me the iRacing Williams feels absolutely perfect to drive... on Silverstone you can feel the car changing as you drive it, getting ever so slightly faster on the straights while gradually losing a bit of grip.. you get a nice tow from other cars as well, but you also have to expect understeer when following close entering a corner..

Copse in 7th gear is worth the asking price alone lol
Slowinfastout
Oh and the setup menus are terrifying lol

here are some bits from the iRacing PDF for those who don't have access to the service..

QUOTE
Typical for most racecars, the front suspension includes conventional front corner springs (torsion bars as apposed to coil springs), and an anti-roll bar. However, the FW31 also includes a third spring, which we call a heave rate spring. This heave spring adds additional wheel rate stiffness in vertical heave or bounce motion only. Its primary function is to help control the chassis platform in order to keep consistent aerodynamic performance. High heave rate settings will result in less ride height change while the car rides over bumps and while downforce increases as vehicle speed go up versus softer heave rate settings. The key in adjusting this component is finding the appropriate amount of stiffness to help aide the aerodynamics while maintaining an adequate amount of front mechanical grip. At faster tracks the best compromise might be to use a very stiff heave rate and give up some mechanical grip in exchange for better aerodynamics control, whereas at much slower tracks where raw tire grip would take precedence, perhaps less heave rate would be required. The correct way to set the front heave spring is to choose the rate and adjust its perch offset until the spring is just slightly preloaded while the car has no fuel. This will ensure that, as fuel weight burns off, the heave spring will always be carrying vehicle load rather than 'floating' off of its perch, thus forcing the corner springs to do extra work to hold up the front of the car.
For the rear suspension no conventional corner springs are used at all. All of the lateral, or roll motion, is controlled by an anti-roll bar. The rear also uses a heave rate spring just as the front suspension does. While it doesn’t share vehicle load with any corner springs, unlike in the front, there need not be any concern with how much preload it requires. Set the rate and perch offset to the desired stiffness and height and go!


QUOTE
For this vehicle we have made available three brake pressure settings in order for drivers to reduce or increase braking force to their preference. These settings are scaled to downforce trim level, so the recommended setting aligns with which downforce trim has been selected.
Finally, in addition to brake pressure the FW31 also has an innovative way of changing front to rear braking bias percentage with pedal travel. Typically, at higher speeds more front brake bias would be advantageous to help decelerate the vehicle; however, as speeds decrease the optimal brake bias may need to be more rearward. Base, peak and begin bias ramping parameters allow the driver to set the minimum and maximum front brake bias, and ramping determines where the minimum value will start to ramp up towards the peak number. Play around with these settings at different race tracks and see which settings work best for you. While sitting in neutral in your pit box you can press the brake pedal and the digital readout will display the forward brake bias as determined by how much pedal displacement is currently present.


There's 3 different aero packages, or downforce trims, btw..

QUOTE
Dampers and Inerters

As per your average ordinary racecar, the FW31 has dampers for each corner. Along with them it also has third dampers, or heave dampers, in the front and the rear as well. These additional shock absorbers, similar to the additional third springs, only work with vertical heave or bounce motion.
All six dampers are 2-way adjustable, where adjusting compression and rebound separately is possible.
Other innovative tuning elements featured on the FW31 include front and rear devices called inerters. These inerters literally add inertial mass to the un-sprung suspension without actually adding weight to the wheels, thereby avoiding the pitfalls associated with extra weight. More inertia will reduce the ride frequency or response time of the suspension just like a heavier wheel would, and may be beneficial over different types of track surfaces. In some instances a lot of inerter mass will be beneficial and at other times no inertial mass will.
Engine and


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Scotracer
Good thing I'm an engineer tongue.gif

I'm very tempted to get iRacing but I'm so busy right now helping out the Formula Student team that I don't have the time for any sort of gaming. These kids just don't understand intakes!
Nasty McBastard
The f1 setup is the one thing that makes me want to stick to the fun/fixed series.

Ive never been much of a setup guy, dont have the time, patience or knowledge/desire. I can fiddle with wings, bars, pressures and suspension a bit but out side of that im just drunk.gif Ive obviously got weird taste in how I like a car coz most setups I steal are WAY under or oversteery. I can usually get it how I want on stuff like DP's or lower, but the dallara can be a bit tricky, and now theyre just throwing more options at me in the F1 lol

Feeling kind of emo....this is the first season I havent got some kind of certificate frown.gif I struggled to make the top 10 in div 2.
Cenotaph
im definitely commiting myself to iracing, im on my way to buy all the content, as with my road license up to A, i plan on starting to work my way up the oval ladder. so i think next season it will be mostly F1, both official and fun series, star mazda and indycar ocassionally for me and i'll probably start driving the trucks or the tour modified somewhere along the way.
pingu666
silver crown is probably the best oval car tbh

i ran the williams at watkins glen, and im surprisingly quick redface.gif, what i dont like is theres no real feedback, your either fine or crashing, in fva you could feel the car move and react
Mat
QUOTE (Nasty McBastard @ Oct 28 2010, 13:49) *
It generally makes me feel like a racing god.


The most accurate assessment so far! lol.gif


QUOTE (Scotracer @ Oct 29 2010, 01:11) *
Oh and I'm now running a 13" MBP...will that run iRacing? It runs rFactor perfect but iRacing is a lot more graphically demanding from what I remember.


MacBook? I think you can run iRacing through Windows Boot Camp....

QUOTE (Cenotaph @ Oct 29 2010, 08:41) *
im definitely commiting myself to iracing, im on my way to buy all the content, as with my road license up to A, i plan on starting to work my way up the oval ladder. so i think next season it will be mostly F1, both official and fun series, star mazda and indycar ocassionally for me and i'll probably start driving the trucks or the tour modified somewhere along the way.


Glad to hear!! I would recommend the Late Model or Truck series for oval. SK Tour Modified is very cool, but can be difficult to get an official race. LM and Trucks go official pretty much 24/7. Same with Formula Mazda and Skippy!

Mat
QUOTE (Nasty McBastard @ Oct 29 2010, 07:41) *
The f1 setup is the one thing that makes me want to stick to the fun/fixed series.

Ive never been much of a setup guy, dont have the time, patience or knowledge/desire. I can fiddle with wings, bars, pressures and suspension a bit but out side of that im just drunk.gif Ive obviously got weird taste in how I like a car coz most setups I steal are WAY under or oversteery. I can usually get it how I want on stuff like DP's or lower, but the dallara can be a bit tricky, and now theyre just throwing more options at me in the F1 lol

Feeling kind of emo....this is the first season I havent got some kind of certificate frown.gif I struggled to make the top 10 in div 2.


That's funny, im thinking the opposite.

After punting around Silverstone in the open practice session yesterday (best is a 1m24.5), I just found it too hard to get the power down, I feel like I am waiting too long for the back to settle and I keep going to make setup adjustments and realising its fixed! smile.gif

So think i'll do the main A series unless I find the fixed setup suiting me!
pingu666
http://www.iracing.com//gpwire/ nice promo bundle
jee
QUOTE (Scotracer @ Oct 28 2010, 16:11) *
is there any cheap sub that gives me access to the FW31?
Oh and I'm now running a 13" MBP...will that run iRacing?


Basecontent
+ Williams FW 31
+ Silverstone
+ Zandvoort

3 Month 35 $ (Code PR-GP3)
1 Year 75 $ (Code PR-GP)

iRacing does not run on Macs.
A3
Over 20.000 members, the site says. $99 a year * 20,000 = almost $ 2 million a year. Good business.

I like racing sims, but I don't have much time to race, so a subscription isn't working for me, no matter how good the sim. It's also quite expensive.

I'd reconsider if they'd offer a pre-paid system.
Mat
pre-paid? That's what subscription is!

I remember reading that John Henry (owner of iRacing) has invested $25M in iRacing and only in the last 12 months breaking even or making a profit. It's a great business model but they need to keep growing the membership. Apparently the tracks cost in the 6 figure region to create. Then there is licensing. You pay for what you get me thinks.

Nobody really pays $99 a year either as people are always signing up using these specials and once you are a member you receive offers for 12 month sub for $75. You also get credits for competing in races. If you done 1 race minimum every week, you would get about $16 credit. If you did more, you can get up to $40 credit a year. That's only some of the incentives and just an example.

Time issue is a factor, its steep learning curve but once you are comfortable it is fairly easy to just jump in and race and only take about an hour of your time.

**Also, just seen the site is down for maintenance. I saw the release notes before it went down and its just sorting out some bugs from the update yesterday.
Slowinfastout
A YEAR of iRacing roughly costs the same as one night of partying.. or one romantic dinner with the missus... one new tire for your car, etc...

If you already spent for a decent PC and wheel + pedals, it's really silly to pass up on this IMO..

The initial pricing structure was a bit steep, but the new one is reasonable and a lot of bang for the buck
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (Mat @ Oct 29 2010, 10:12) *
**Also, just seen the site is down for maintenance. I saw the release notes before it went down and its just sorting out some bugs from the update yesterday.


Yeah, worst time ever for me lol, was actually registered in a race and the 'join' button never came lol mad.gif

Graybearded
WTH they go down right in the middle of the day for half the day? My guess is they have no one on staff with IT background, and no QC process so a dev can just break the live system at any time...

for the money they charge the downtime is not good...
MaxScelerate
"In the middle of the day" for whom? Considering most of the clientele works during the day, it's probably more irritating for those people who are currently "in the middle of the evening", no?

They're moving the "out of order" times from timeslot to timeslot, so that it's not always the same who "pays"... Used to be Australia would get all the locked-out hours, but last season's week 13 was more than four 4-hours breaks in about 4 days, so they changed that a bit.
Graybearded
You're defending the practice of taking down a subscription based production website on a Friday? Really?

2pm EDT is the time they give for bringing it back up...it's a USA based firm, so that means they are doing server/software maintenance right in the middle of a peak day...

It's pretty bad and pretty much indefensible by anyone's standard...I bought a bunch of tracks and cars last night, and I can't use them tiday...I love iracing but it's clear they zero production IT background.

How many people bought the Williams promo package or car and are now waiting around? Not good.
Mat
It's back online so the time you spent whinging about it they are back online. smile.gif

Lots of people were waiting around, but it would have been worse if they did it later in the day. They couldnt do it earlier as they used that timeslot (aussie peak time) 24 hours earlier to roll out the major update.

It's only lunch time on the east coast of USA so peak time is gearing up now. They did it just in time. Hopefully that will be it for the season and everyone will be happy.

They have said they are working on being able to implement updates without bringing the system down.
Graybearded
Whinging huh?

I sent an email to the head of iracing about QC process and he sent me back a nice response, agreeing that they need to tighten up the process. So tongue.gif

I've gotten the F1 car sorted out in terms of getting a good rythem going to where I can finally start pushing the car, but I'm done with it for now. I've decided to run the Skip Barber and the SK Modified for the forseeable future, and an occasional IndyCar oval race thrown in there.

I've gotten pretty good at setting up the IndyCar for ovals and for a D class am quite competitive...but the real work I intend to put into the Skippy, it's just too much fun and the racing is just too good to ignore.

Cheers all iracing has it's hooks into me, thank you Code Masters for screwing up your game so bad that it sent be back to the real racing game.
A3
QUOTE (Mat @ Oct 29 2010, 16:12) *
pre-paid? That's what subscription is!



I meant like a system where your subscription is not time limited, but measured by game time. Or something.

But I didn't know about the things you mentioned, it makes it better in my opinion.
Raido
QUOTE (jee @ Oct 29 2010, 10:23) *
iRacing does not run on Macs.


Oh yes it does.

If you use the right software. These days, *anything* Windows can run on Macs.
(I'm running rFactor directly on OS X for the vintage GT, Formula Ford and Formula Vee mods, and I'm not even using Windows.)
Spa One

Do iracing have plans to extend there F1 product any further in the near future? More cars, tracks etc...


Viktor
I was thinking of trying iRacing with this promo, http://www.iracing.com//buy-1-get-2/, but I have a question, the car I want to race is not included, can I buy it in the game or am I limited to the cars and tracks included with this pack? Also I'm not looking to race online as I'm just to slow but just do some testing so my next question is how dose that work? Are you alone on the track or is it a online test session with other cars?

/Viktor
Cotchin
QUOTE (Viktor @ Oct 30 2010, 09:49) *
I was thinking of trying iRacing with this promo, http://www.iracing.com//buy-1-get-2/, but I have a question, the car I want to race is not included, can I buy it in the game or am I limited to the cars and tracks included with this pack? Also I'm not looking to race online as I'm just to slow but just do some testing so my next question is how dose that work? Are you alone on the track or is it a online test session with other cars?

/Viktor


Hi Viktor,

The promo is just a discount on the normal starting pack and you can add any content to that as you normally would. Cars are typically $11.95, tracks a bit more, and you receive a 10% discount for buying 3 items at a time, 20% for 6 items.

You can practice any car offline (though it requires an internet connection to validate the game), or in online sessions with other drivers where incidents won't affect your licence and safety rating. Online races, qualifying and time trials all affect your safety score and licence level.

I highly recommend trying out online though. Even if you feel you are too slow there is always plenty of guys willing to help out and the racing is by far the cleanest of any online racing game. The grading system also helps to put you in races with people of a similar ability.

Have fun
pingu666
which car do you want?
you can test by yourself "offline" in any car on any track that you have
for hosted sessions, anyone can join in if they have the right car(s) and track, and its not passworded

for offical sessions, you need to have the right license, theres 3 types of session, practise, qualifing and race, otherwise you cant even see them

with the new spectator/test drive feature you can probably spectate a higher level session, then join in as a "ghost"

noikeee
QUOTE (Cotchin @ Oct 30 2010, 14:01) *
Hi Viktor,

The promo is just a discount on the normal starting pack and you can add any content to that as you normally would. Cars are typically $11.95, tracks a bit more, and you receive a 10% discount for buying 3 items at a time, 20% for 6 items.

You can practice any car offline (though it requires an internet connection to validate the game), or in online sessions with other drivers where incidents won't affect your licence and safety rating. Online races, qualifying and time trials all affect your safety score and licence level.

I highly recommend trying out online though. Even if you feel you are too slow there is always plenty of guys willing to help out and the racing is by far the cleanest of any online racing game. The grading system also helps to put you in races with people of a similar ability.

Have fun


I'll second all that. Don't be scared of going online against other people, you might annoy people in your first few f***-ups, but that's how you learn. The fun in iRacing is in the racing itself, it's at the core of the sim which can't be said for some others where that's not necessarily the focus...
FredrikB
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Oct 30 2010, 09:17) *
I'll second all that. Don't be scared of going online against other people, you might annoy people in your first few f***-ups, but that's how you learn. The fun in iRacing is in the racing itself, it's at the core of the sim which can't be said for some others where that's not necessarily the focus...

i'll second that! Just cruise in your first rookie races to gain SR (safety rating) and get the races you need to be promoted to the next level.

Kom igen viktor, kom igen! clap.gif clap.gif (that's Swëdish ok...)
Slowinfastout
I hope not too many people are going turned off by the Williams @ Lime Rock Park lol... Its properly ridiculous.

Poor choice they've made for the first Saturday with the car..

37 seconds laps, cars crashing and flying all over the place, its funny for 5 mins then it gets old..
Kanzo
QUOTE (Mat @ Oct 29 2010, 17:12) *
Nobody really pays $99 a year either


Umm... You´re calling me a nobody? redface.gif
Mat
lol don't worry! Pay attention around thanksgiving or xmas time and take advantage of the offers they send out!

Mat
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Oct 31 2010, 03:42) *
I hope not too many people are going turned off by the Williams @ Lime Rock Park lol... Its properly ridiculous.

Poor choice they've made for the first Saturday with the car..

37 seconds laps, cars crashing and flying all over the place, its funny for 5 mins then it gets old..


They are using Lime Rock as it is part of the Rookie Package. But yes, its absolutely nuts. drunk.gif

Mat
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Oct 31 2010, 03:17) *
I'll second all that. Don't be scared of going online against other people, you might annoy people in your first few f***-ups, but that's how you learn. The fun in iRacing is in the racing itself, it's at the core of the sim which can't be said for some others where that's not necessarily the focus...


ditto all these comments. Just get in there! Don't be afraid to practice in the open practice sessions. The worst you can do is ruin someone's lap and crash them. Say sorry using the text or voice chat and try again!

Also, do not pay attention to the fastest times, that will only depress you. When racing in the rookie races just focus on consistent lap times and staying on the track. It should bag you a top 5 almost every time!
Cenotaph
QUOTE (Spa One @ Oct 30 2010, 05:48) *
Do iracing have plans to extend there F1 product any further in the near future? More cars, tracks etc...

i don't think other cars are planned. but they are expanding their work to europe/asia, so we should see more f1 tracks coming in the near future. However, as it stands only Spa and Suzuka are guaranteed.
Dunder
I have decided to stick with racing the Star Mazda in season 4 as well as the occasional MX5 race.

I have done a lot of practice in the FW31 this week and am not yet comfortable with it. I can drive reasonably competitive and consistent times (low 1:38s at Road America for example) but still feel 'disconnected' when driving. I will keep practicing with the intention of racing in season 1.
mcguin
I'm planning to run this season on the fw31. Finding it quite challenging specially out of the slow turns of Road America. The spins are hard to catch, though.
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