QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 15 2009, 17:36) 
PH II, was incredible forumer, he reminded me of Maurice Minifield. I miss him.
What happened to him?
Full Version: I stood on a MIG today!
What happened to him?
QUOTE (dosco @ Oct 16 2009, 11:17)
What happened to him?
Went over to the Commies.
QUOTE (gruntguru @ Oct 16 2009, 02:52)
Went over to the Commies.
I bet he was commie in disguise. A russian spy.
I've seen other transport planes using the ground effect, mostly to decrease fuel mileage and I remember reading or watching movie, the colombian narco-trafficants have used such planes for traffic and they also remain undercover because the radars don't catch them.
QUOTE (McGuire @ Oct 15 2009, 16:47)
His posts are often very interesting, but I'm not sure they qualify as insights. I thought his theory that Obama is really a Romulan mole sent to earth to harvest humans as food was a bit shaky.
Incorrect.
It was a Talosian mole, not Romulan. When you look at it in that light, it completely changes the complexion of his arguments.
I've had the guy on 'ignore' for so long I didn't know he wasn't around.
QUOTE (Fat Boy @ Oct 16 2009, 13:51)
Incorrect.
It was a Talosian mole, not Romulan. When you look at it in that light, it completely changes the complexion of his arguments.
I've had the guy on 'ignore' for so long I didn't know he wasn't around.
It was a Talosian mole, not Romulan. When you look at it in that light, it completely changes the complexion of his arguments.
I've had the guy on 'ignore' for so long I didn't know he wasn't around.
the guy was obviously crazy, but was amusing
who knows maybe he was arrested, he is infact a potential danger
A potential danger? That's something he'd say...
QUOTE (Fat Boy @ Oct 16 2009, 23:51)
I've had the guy on 'ignore' for so long I didn't know he wasn't around.
QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 15 2009, 14:36)
PH II, was incredible forumer, he reminded me of Maurice Minifield. I miss him.
I too miss P II, he is a stand up guy and a friend!
John
QUOTE (NTSOS @ Oct 17 2009, 21:16)
I too miss P II, he is a stand up guy and a friend!
John
John
I miss him too, he was supposed to contact me when he arrived and I'm quite surprised he didn't.
I was tethering to go to Beijing on the weekend and the fact he didnt contact me was part reason i decided to cancel.
QUOTE (McGuire @ Oct 14 2009, 16:48)
You have no taste. Ernst Stavro Blofeld or Emilio Largo would kill to get their hands on one of these. Shopping list: Shark tank, check. Tupolev airboat, check. Jumpsuited henchmen, check. Submarine base hidden in volcano, check.
QUOTE (Greg Locock @ Oct 14 2009, 19:05)
Um, try wearing a Tianneman square T shirt with a picture of a tank on it. Or Free Tibet. or whoever they are that sound like Star Wars or falun gong . Not that I actually give a monkeys, people get the government they can put up with.
Um, why would you?
I'm not about going to another country and intentionally pissing them off, I am a basically law and good moral abiding person who respects that I am not in my own country, behave accordingly to THEIR RULES AND LAWS and have zero problems where ever I go - I will further that to say I am most welcome where ever I go with my attitude.
I see it often here and also with a couple of Westerners who have come to my Lady for legal advice for some of their problems going about it with total arrogance thinking that everything should work and flow as it does in their own country.
I don't think any reasonable person has a problem with the "when in Rome" philosophy ("doesn't anyone here speak American!?!" stories not-withstanding), but to suggest Chinese people are as free to express themselves as those in any western democracy is dishonest. Internet censorship of political ideas is but one tiny area. Maybe China has it right, but I don't feel that way.
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 18 2009, 03:18)
Um, why would you?
I wouldn't, but the reason i posted it was the following exchange
somebody said
"Yes its amazing how you can get things done without obstacles like human rights, workplace health and safety, freedom of speech etc etc"
you replied
"As China has all those in place you must be speaking about another country. May I remind you that this is 2009."
Thus apparently indicating that you think China has the sort of freedoms we expect. I then gave some examples of freedom of expression that would be ill advised in China. That's why.
QUOTE (Greg Locock @ Oct 18 2009, 06:31)
Thus apparently indicating that you think China has the sort of freedoms we expect. I then gave some examples of freedom of expression that would be ill advised in China. That's why.
No you gave some examples of some things that would be intentionally affrontive and that were not related to what was written.
I can buy eggs on the side of the road by the way, can you? Theres but one freedom I expect, walking around a city at 2am in the morning carefree and in complete safety is another.
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 17 2009, 12:18)
Um, why would you?
Because in the USA it's considered a God-given right to express one's self freely. People wear T-shirts with Obama looking like the Joker from "The Dark Knight" with a logo that says "Why so SOCIALIST" and stuff. Burning flags, etc.
It's dumb, but it shouldn't be illegal to be dumb.
Honestly, think of a T-shirt with Hu Jintao or Chairman Mao caricaturized to look like a villain from a blockbuster movie. Or burning the Chinese flag while news cameras roll.
You'd do it cos you're angry and it's a generally harmless way of expressing one's self, and a little arrogant and very silly.
But the point is that in the most successful, most civilized societies, we've dispensed with punishing peaceful disagreement with the government, stupidity, or arrogance. As long as it doesn't harm other people directly, who cares?
China's making progress, but even in 2009, they have a LONG way to go. A LOOOOOOOOOOONG way.
"It's dumb, but it shouldn't be illegal to be dumb."
I cannot think of any country where being of low IQ or low mental capability, however I find your example somewhat disturbing as I find myself wanting to defend China's take on this. In my mind the freedoms you describe come with responsibilities, yet I might respectfully suggest that a large number of people in the USA would rather shrug off the idea that ANYONE would impede their 'right' to do anything (not that there aren't similar people in my own country).
I cannot think of any country where being of low IQ or low mental capability, however I find your example somewhat disturbing as I find myself wanting to defend China's take on this. In my mind the freedoms you describe come with responsibilities, yet I might respectfully suggest that a large number of people in the USA would rather shrug off the idea that ANYONE would impede their 'right' to do anything (not that there aren't similar people in my own country).
Just as an aside, what are flag burning laws like in other countries? You don't see it in Europe, at least with the flag of that country. Even burning the American flag seems limited to really pissed off people in the Middle East/Asia/etc.
Though it wouldn't surprise me if the issue of flag burning is pretty much exclusive to the US flag and no one else really cares about it.
Though it wouldn't surprise me if the issue of flag burning is pretty much exclusive to the US flag and no one else really cares about it.
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Oct 18 2009, 11:29)
Though it wouldn't surprise me if the issue of flag burning is pretty much exclusive to the US flag and no one else really cares about it.
The Union Flag gets torched fairly frequently...
Where/why/wow often? I can't really recall having seen it, but maybe it's just not the ULTIMATE BREAKING NEWS it is back home.
Australian flag gets torched a bit too...can't see the point really, nor do I get offended really.
QUOTE (NeilR @ Oct 18 2009, 22:08)
Australian flag gets torched a bit too...can't see the point really, nor do I get offended really.
Funniest thing I saw in a while at the yacht club was a visiting British crew who at the end of a very long night in the bar were chanting "get your f-ing stars off our f-ing flag".
bovver boy sailors...who woulda thunk it?...any of them fall in the water?
I'd be happy to drop the union jack off the flag...the issue would be what to replace it with...aboriginal flag might be just in a way but practically impossible.
I'd be happy to drop the union jack off the flag...the issue would be what to replace it with...aboriginal flag might be just in a way but practically impossible.
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 17 2009, 14:06)
I miss him too, he was supposed to contact me when he arrived and I'm quite surprised he didn't.
I was tethering to go to Beijing on the weekend and the fact he didnt contact me was part reason i decided to cancel.
I was tethering to go to Beijing on the weekend and the fact he didnt contact me was part reason i decided to cancel.
any news on Ph II
Greg...for some reason I thought drunken behaviour at the yacht club was frowned upon...for no real reason I suppose...so...is there a yacht version of a ute that drunken sailors pile into to go and do circle work in the bay?
QUOTE (NeilR @ Oct 20 2009, 21:19)
Greg...for some reason I thought drunken behaviour at the yacht club was frowned upon...for no real reason I suppose...so...is there a yacht version of a ute that drunken sailors pile into to go and do circle work in the bay?
Grins, oh yes it is frowned on. I'm quite sure The Committee were swallowing ulcer pills and blood pressure pills by the handful. Yes, there is one boatful that plays loud young people music, loads beer by the slab, is partially crewed by longlegged chicks, and um, wins lots of races nationally. Good on em.
QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 20 2009, 17:16)
any news on Ph II
Out doing black ops somewhere, I'm sure. Secret renditions, poisoning house pets of global dignitaries, etc.
It used to be so amusing reading Buford and don Capps vs. Ph II and Todd
Shame I was only lurking back then. I guess I registered too late. I would enjoy conversations with them. None of those are still here. shame
Shame I was only lurking back then. I guess I registered too late. I would enjoy conversations with them. None of those are still here. shame
QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 20 2009, 19:55)
It used to be so amusing reading Buford and don Capps vs. Ph II and Todd
Shame I was only lurking back then. I guess I registered too late. I would enjoy conversations with them. None of those are still here. shame
Shame I was only lurking back then. I guess I registered too late. I would enjoy conversations with them. None of those are still here. shame
errr Buford is a regular as is Todd and Don H pops in and PH11 is prob very busy and not settled in yet but i fully expect him to raise his head again if it hasn't been blown off by the Pinko Bastards!
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Oct 18 2009, 09:24)
Because in the USA it's considered a God-given right to express one's self freely. People wear T-shirts with Obama looking like the Joker from "The Dark Knight" with a logo that says "Why so SOCIALIST" and stuff. Burning flags, etc.
It's dumb, but it shouldn't be illegal to be dumb.
Honestly, think of a T-shirt with Hu Jintao or Chairman Mao caricaturized to look like a villain from a blockbuster movie. Or burning the Chinese flag while news cameras roll.
You'd do it cos you're angry and it's a generally harmless way of expressing one's self, and a little arrogant and very silly.
But the point is that in the most successful, most civilized societies, we've dispensed with punishing peaceful disagreement with the government, stupidity, or arrogance. As long as it doesn't harm other people directly, who cares?
China's making progress, but even in 2009, they have a LONG way to go. A LOOOOOOOOOOONG way.
It's dumb, but it shouldn't be illegal to be dumb.
Honestly, think of a T-shirt with Hu Jintao or Chairman Mao caricaturized to look like a villain from a blockbuster movie. Or burning the Chinese flag while news cameras roll.
You'd do it cos you're angry and it's a generally harmless way of expressing one's self, and a little arrogant and very silly.
But the point is that in the most successful, most civilized societies, we've dispensed with punishing peaceful disagreement with the government, stupidity, or arrogance. As long as it doesn't harm other people directly, who cares?
China's making progress, but even in 2009, they have a LONG way to go. A LOOOOOOOOOOONG way.
I was wondering what the looong way to go meant?
I was just wondering what this was all about as well..........
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=...nes&spell=1
(Greg, be careful where you wear a "FREE HAWAII" T shirt ;))
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 21 2009, 15:03)
errr Buford is a regular as is Todd and Don H pops in and PH11 is prob very busy and not settled in yet but i fully expect him to raise his head again if it hasn't been blown off by the Pinko Bastards!
Don and Buford have gone. I don't think that they will be back.
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 21 2009, 15:18)
I was wondering what the looong way to go meant?
I was just wondering what this was all about as well..........
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=...nes&spell=1
(Greg, be careful where you wear a "FREE HAWAII" T shirt ;))
I was just wondering what this was all about as well..........
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=...nes&spell=1
(Greg, be careful where you wear a "FREE HAWAII" T shirt ;))
Yep - Americans don't actually enjoy all the freedoms they so ferociously espouse. Doesn't negate my original post though.
QUOTE (gruntguru @ Oct 13 2009, 08:58)
Yes its amazing how you can get things done without obstacles like human rights, workplace health and safety, freedom of speech etc etc
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 21 2009, 06:03)
errr Buford is a regular as is Todd and Don H pops in and PH11 is prob very busy and not settled in yet but i fully expect him to raise his head again if it hasn't been blown off by the Pinko Bastards!
buford has gone I have witnessed it, it was in the thread named historical appology in TNF
he is gone for good, he said that he will troll poker forums from now on
here you can read about it: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...11491&st=80
QUOTE (gruntguru @ Oct 21 2009, 17:34)
Yep - Americans don't actually enjoy all the freedoms they so ferociously espouse. Doesn't negate my original post though.
It's a bit like 'I'm the boss at home because my Wife says I can be'.
You didn't mention which country to go with that post of your's but, and I already mentioned, it certainly ain't China your referring to. Some of you will laff it off, but China's laws are as solid as.
QUOTE (Catalina Park @ Oct 21 2009, 15:44)
Don and Buford have gone. I don't think that they will be back.
You are correct Sir, I thought I saw them post recently but it was a couple of older threads that had been bumped to the fore.
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 21 2009, 21:08)
It's a bit like 'I'm the boss at home because my Wife says I can be'.
You didn't mention which country to go with that post of your's but, and I already mentioned, it certainly ain't China your referring to. Some of you will laff it off, but China's laws are as solid as.
You didn't mention which country to go with that post of your's but, and I already mentioned, it certainly ain't China your referring to. Some of you will laff it off, but China's laws are as solid as.
Is big brother monitoring your posts? Or perhaps they are putting something in your beer?
QUOTE (gruntguru @ Oct 21 2009, 11:59)
Is big brother monitoring your posts? Or perhaps they are putting something in your beer?
china is not what you think, it is as liberal as france
there are only presumptions about china being strict communist country, its nothing like that
you have to obey the law though, and the punishement are serious, but hey thats how its got to be
But if you are living in compliance with law, it is all good you do not have to be afraid of anything
Same with Cuba
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赤化|赤 rubricitize|rubricity
春夏自由论坛|春 spring and summer freedom bbs|spring
达赖|达 dalai|da
大参考|大 big reference|da
大法|大 dafa|da
大纪元|大 dajiyuan|da
大纪元新闻网|大 dajiyuan news network|da
大纪园|大 dajiyuan|da
大家论坛|大 everybody forum|da
大史|大 dashi|da
大史记|大 dashiji|da
大史纪|大 dashiji|da
大中国论坛|大 greater china forum|da
大中华论坛|大 greater china forum|da
大众真人真事|大 everybody actual person and event|da
戴相龙|戴 dai xianglong|dai
弹劾|弹 impeach|tan
登辉|登 denghui|deng
邓笑贫|邓 deng xiaopin|deng
迪里夏提|迪 dilixiati|ti
地下教会|地 underground church|di
地下刊物|地 underground publications|di
弟子|弟 disciple|di
第四代|第 the forth generation|di
电视流氓|电 tv rougue|dian
钓鱼岛|钓 diaoyu island|diao
丁关根|丁 ding guangen|ding
丁元|丁 ding yuan|ding
丁子霖|丁 ding zlin|ding
东北独立|东 northeastern independence|dong
东方红时空|东 oriental red space time|dong
东方时空|东 oriental horizon|dong
东南西北论谈|东 east south west north forum|dong
东社|东 east society|dong
东土耳其斯坦|东 eastern turkistan|dong
动乱|动 convulsion|dong
独裁|独 despotism|du
独裁政治|独 despotism rule|du
独夫|独 dictator|du
独立台湾会|独 independent Taiwan society|du
杜智富|杜 du zhifu|du
多维|多 multimentional|duo
屙民|屙 |
俄国|俄 russia|russia
发愣|发 be in a daze|fa
发轮|发 falun|fa
发正念|发 fazhengnian|fa
法愣|法 faleng|fa
法抡|法 falun|fa
法仑|法 falun|fa
法伦|法 falun|fa
法轮|法 falun|fa
法论|法 falun|fa
法十轮十功|法 fa+lun+gong|fa
法十轮十功|法 fa+lun+gong|fa
法谪|法 fazhe|fa
法谪功|法 fazhegong|fa
反封锁技术|反 antiblockage technology|fan
反腐败论坛|反 anticorruption forum|fan
反攻|反 counterattack|fan
反共|反 anticommunism|fan
反人类|反 antihumanity|fan
反社会|反 antisociety|fan
方励之|方 fang lizhi|fang
方舟子|方 fang zhouzi|fang
飞扬论坛|飞 feiyang forum|fei
斐得勒|斐 feidele|fei
费良勇|费 fei liangyong|fei
分家在|分 break up the family and live apart|fen
分裂|分 divide|fen
粉饰太平|粉 prettify peace and tranquility|fen
风雨神州|风 wind and rain the divine land|feng
风雨神州论坛|风 wind and rain the divine land forum|feng
封从德|封 feng congde|feng
封杀|封 force-out|feng
冯东海|冯 feng donghai|feng
冯素英|冯 feng suying|feng
佛展千手法|佛 buddha streches a thousand hands|buddha
付申奇|付 fu shenqi|fu
傅申奇|傅 fu shenqi|fu
傅志寰|傅 fu zhihuan|fu
高官|高 high ranking officials|gao
高文谦|高 gao wenqian|gao
高薪养廉|高 foster honesty and cleanness by high salary gao|
高瞻|高 look up from high position|gao
高自联|高 university self-governing association|gao
戈扬|戈 ge yang|ge
鸽派|鸽 pigeon clique|pigeon
歌功颂德|歌 sing the praises of somebody|ge
蛤蟆|蛤 toad|ha
个人崇拜|个 cult of personality|ge
工自联|工 worker self-governing association|gong
功法|功 law of gong|gong
共产|共 share property|gong
共党|共 communist party|gong
共匪|共 communist bandit|gong
共狗|共 communist dog|gong
共军|共 communist army|gong
关卓中|关 guan zhuozhong|guan
贯通两极法|贯 law of perforating the two poles|guan
广闻|广 extensibe knowledge|extensive
郭伯雄|郭 guo boxiong|guo
郭罗基|郭 guo luoji|guo
郭平|郭 guo ping|guo
郭岩华|郭 guo yanhua|guo
国家安全|国 national security|guo
国家机密|国 national secret|guo
国军|国 Kuomingtang arm forces|guo
国贼|国 country°Øs thief|guo
韩东方|韩 han dongfang|han
韩联潮|韩 han lianchao|chao
汉奸|汉 traitor|han
何德普|何 he depu|he
何勇|何 he yong|he
河殇|河 river dies young|he
红灯区|红 red light district|red
红色恐怖|红 red terror|red
宏法|宏 commission law|hong
洪传|洪 hong commission|hong
洪吟|洪 hong chant|hong
洪哲胜|洪 hong zhesheng|hong
洪志|洪 hongzhi|hong
胡紧掏|胡 hu jintao|hu
胡锦涛|胡 hu jintao|hu
胡锦滔|胡 hu jintao|hu
胡锦淘|胡 hu jintao|hu
胡景涛|胡 hu jingtao|hu
胡平|胡 hu ping|hu
胡总书记|胡 general secretary hu|hu
护法|护 law protection|hu
花花公子|花 playboy|hua
华建敏|华 hua jianmin|hua
华通时事论坛|华 Huatong current affairs forum|hua
华夏文摘|华 Huaxia digest|hua
华语世界论坛华 Chinese world forum|hua
华岳时事论坛|华 Huayue current affairs forum|hua
黄慈萍|黄 Huang ciping|huang
黄祸|黄 yellow disaster|huang
黄菊|黄 huang ju|huang
黄菊 |黄 huang ju|huang
黄翔|黄 huang xiang|huang
回民暴动|回 Hui people riot|hui
悔过书|悔 book of repentance|hui
鸡毛信文汇|鸡 chicken feather letter information collection|chicken
姬胜德|姬 ji shengde|ji
积克馆|积 jikeguan|ji
基督|基 jesus christ|jesus
贾庆林|贾 jia qinglin|jia
贾廷安|贾 jia yan°Øan|jia
贾育台|贾 jia yutai|jia
建国党|建 jianguo party|jian
江core|江 jiang core|jiang
江八点|江 jiang eight points|jiang
江流氓|江 jiang rogue|jiang
江罗|江 jiang luo|jiang
江绵恒|江 jiang mianheng|jiang
江青|江 jiang qing|jiang
江戏子|江 dramatist jiang|jiang
江则民|江 jiang zemin|jiang
江泽慧|江 jiang zehui|jiang
江泽民|江jiang zemin jiang
江_民|江 jiang zehui|jiang
江贼|江 thief jiang|jiang
江贼民|江 jiang thiefmin|jiang
江折民|江 jiang zhemin|jiang
江猪|江 jiang pig|jiang
江猪媳|江 jiang pig°Øs daughter in law(zhuxi)jiang|
江主席|江 chairman jiang|jiang
姜春云|姜 jiang chunyun|jiang
将则民|将 jiang zemin|jiang
僵贼|僵 stiff thief(jiang zei)|jiang
僵贼民|僵 stiff thief people(jiang zei min)jiang|
疆独|疆 xinjiang independence|jiang
讲法|讲 deliver law|jiang
酱猪媳|酱 sauce pig°Øs daughter in law(jiang zhuxi)|jiang
交班|交 hand over to the next shift|jiao
教养院|教 a house of correction|jiao
接班|接 carry on|jie
揭批书|揭 book of exposion and criticism|jie
金尧如|金 jin yaoru|jin
锦涛|锦 jintao|jin
禁看|禁 forbid to see|jin
经文|经 lection|jing
开放杂志|开 open magzine|kai
看中国|看 eye on china|kan
抗议|抗 protest|kang
邝锦文|邝 kuang jinwen|kuang
劳动教养所|劳 labor penitentiary|lao
劳改|劳 reform of criminals through labor|lao
劳教|劳 education of criminals through labor|lao
老江|老 old jiang|lao
老毛|老 old mao|lao
老人政治|老 gerontocracy|lao
黎安友|黎 li anyou|li
李长春|李 li changchun|li
李大师|李 master li|li
李登辉|李 li denghui|li
李红痔|李 li red piles(li hongzhi)|li
李宏志|李 li hongzhi|li
李洪宽|李 li hongkuan|li
李继耐|李 li jinai|li
李兰菊|李 li lanju|li
李岚清|李 li lanqing|li
李老师|李 teacher li|li
李录|李 li lu|li
李禄|李 li lu|li
李鹏|李 li peng|li
李瑞环|李 li ruihuan|li
李少民|李 li shaomin|li
李淑娴|李 li shuxian|li
李旺阳|李 li wangyang|li
李文斌|李 li wenbin|li
李小朋|李 li xiaopeng|li
李小鹏|李 li xiaopeng|li
李月月鸟|李 li moon moon bird (li peng) |li
李志绥|李 li zhisui|li
李总理|李 premier li|li
李总统|李 presideng li|li
连胜德|连 lian shengde|lian
联总|联 chief lian |lian
廉政大论坛|廉 grand forum of honest and clean politics|lian
炼功|炼 practice gong|lian
梁光烈|梁 liang guanglie|liang
梁擎墩|梁 liang qingdun|liang
两岸关系|两 relations between two sides of the strait|liang
两岸三地论坛|两 forum of 3 areas of 2 sides of the strait|liang
两个中国|两 two chinas|liang
两会|两 two conferences|liang
两会报道|两 reporing of two conferences|two
两会新闻|两 news of two conferences|two
廖锡龙|廖 liao xilong|liao
林保华|林 lin baohua|lin
林长盛|林 lin changsheng|lin
林樵清|林 lin qiaoqing|lin
林慎立|林 lin shenli|lin
凌锋|凌 ling feng|ling
刘宾深|刘 liu binshen|liu
刘宾雁|刘 liu binyan|liu
刘刚|刘 liu gang|liu
刘国凯|刘 liu guokai|liu l
刘华清|刘 iu huaqing|liu
刘俊国|刘 liu junguo|liu
刘凯中|刘 liu kaizhong|liu
刘千石|刘 liu qianshi|liu
刘青|刘 liu qing|liu
刘山青|刘 liu shanqing|liu
刘士贤|刘 liu shixian|liu
刘文胜|刘 liu wensheng|liu
刘晓波|刘 liu xiaobo|liu
刘晓竹|刘 liu xiaozhu|liu
刘永川|刘 liu yongchuan|liu
流亡|流 go into exile|liu
六四|六 june forth|liu
龙虎豹|龙 dragon tiger and leopard|long
陆委会|陆 mainland affairs council|lu
吕京花|吕 lv jinghua|lv
吕秀莲|吕 lv xiulian|lv
抡功|抡 lungong|lun
伦功|伦 lungong|lun
轮大|轮 lunda|lun
轮功|轮 lungong|lun
轮奸|轮 gangbang|lun
罗干|罗 luo gan|luo
罗礼诗|罗 luo lishi|luo
马大维|马 ma dawei|ma
马良骏|马 ma liangjun|ma
马三家|马 ma sanjia|ma
马时敏|马 ma shimin|ma
卖国|卖 sell out the country|mai
毛厕洞|毛 toilet hole|mao
毛片|毛 adult video|mao
毛贼东|毛 mao thief dong (Mao tse-tung)|mao
美国参考|美 American reference|mei
美国之音|美 voice of america|mei
蒙独|蒙 mogolian independence|meng
蒙古独立|蒙 mogolian independence|meng
密穴|密 secretive delve|mi
绵恒|绵 mianheng|mian
民国|民 china republic|min
民进党|民 demorcratic progressive party|min
民联|民 demorcratic unification|min
民意|民 public opinion|min
民意论坛|民 forum of public opinion|min
民运|民 demorcratic movement|min
民阵|民 demorcratic frontier|min
民猪|民 min pig(demorcracy)|min
民主|民 demorcracy|min
民主墙|民 wall of demorcracy|min
民族矛盾|民 contradiction among nationalities|min
明慧|明 minghui |min
莫伟强|莫 mo weiqiang|mo
木犀地|木 muxidi|mu
木子论坛|木 muzi forum|mu
南大自由论坛|南 freedom forum of nan jing university|nan
闹事|闹 make trouble|nao
倪育贤|倪 ni yuxian|ni
你说我说论坛|你 you say I say forum|ni
潘国平|潘 pan guoping|pan
泡沫经济|泡 foam economy|pao
迫害|迫 persecute|po
祁建|祁 qi jian|qi
齐墨|齐 qi mo|qi
钱达|钱 qian da|qian
钱国梁|钱 qian guoliang|qian
钱其琛|钱 qian qichen|qian
抢粮记|抢 a record of looting grains|qiang
乔石|乔 qiao shi|qiao
亲美|亲 pro-america|qin
亲日|亲 pro-japan|qin
钦本立|钦 qin benli|qin
秦晋|秦 qinjing|qin
青天白日旗|青 blue sky white sun flag|qing
轻舟快讯|轻 qingzhou |qing
情妇|情 mistress|qing
庆红|庆 qinghong|qing
全国两会|全 national two conferences|quan
热比娅|热 rebiya|re
热站政论网|热 rezhan politics network|re
人民报|人 people°Øs daily|ren
人民内情真相|人 people inside truth|ren
人民真实|人 people truly|ren
人民之声论坛|人 voice of people forum|ren
人权|人 human rights|ren
忍|忍 tolerate|ren
日内瓦金融|日 geneva finance|ri
瑞士金融大学|瑞 finance university of swisserland|rui
色情|色 eroticism|se
善恶有报|善 kindness and evil will be paid|shan
上海帮|上 gang of shanghai|shang
上海孤儿院|上 shanghai orphanage|shang
邵家健|邵 shao jiajian|shao
射精|射 ejaculate|she
神通加持法|神 theurgy adding and hold|shen
沈彤|沈 shentong|shen
升天|升 be raised to the skies|sheng
盛华仁|盛 sheng huaren|sheng
盛雪|盛 sheng xue|sheng
师父|师 master|shi
石戈|石 shi ke|shi
时代论坛|时 time forum|shi
时事论坛|时 current affairs forum|shi
世界经济导报|世 world economics guide|shi
事实独立|事 fact independence|shi
双十节|双 double tens day|shuang
水扁|水 shuibian|shui
税力|税 shuili|shui
司马晋|司 sima jng|si
司马璐|司 sima lu|si
司徒华|司 situ hua|si
斯诺|斯 snow|si
四川独立|四 sichuan independence|si
宋xx|宋 song xx|song
宋平|宋song ping|song
宋书元|宋song shuyuan|song
宋祖英|宋song zuying|song
苏绍智|苏 su shaozhi|su
苏晓康|苏 su xiaokang|su
台独|台 taiwan independence|tai
台盟|台 taiwan alliance|tai
台湾独立|台 taiwan independence|tai
台湾狗|台 taiwan dog|tai
台湾建国运动组织|台 organization of taiwan country founding movement|tai
台湾青年独立联盟|台 independent league of taiwan youth|tai
台湾政论区|台 taiwan politics zone|tai
台湾自由联盟|台 taiwan freedom league|tai
太子党|太 prince party|tai
汤光中|汤tang guangzhong|tang
唐柏桥|唐 tang boqiao|tang
唐捷|唐 tang jie|tang
滕文生|滕 teng wensheng|teng
天安门录影带|天 tiananmen video tape|tian
天安门事件|天tiananmen incident|tian
天安门屠杀|天 tiananmen masscre|tian
天安门一代|天 tiananmen generation|tian
天怒|天 celestial warth|tian
天葬|天 celestial burial tian|
童屹|童 tong qi|tong
统独|统 unification and independence|tong
统独论坛|统 forum of unification and independence|tong
统战|统 unified frontline|tong
屠杀|屠 massacre|tu
外交论坛|外 diplomatism forum|wai
外交与方略|外 diplomatism and strategy|wai
万润南|万 wan runnan|wan
万维读者论坛|万 world wide reader forum|wan
万晓东|万 wan xiaodong|wan
汪岷|汪 wang min|wang
王宝森|王 wang baosen|wang
王炳章|王 wang bingzhang|wang
王策|王 wang ce|wang
王超华|王 wang chaohua|wang
王丹|王 wang dan|wang
王辅臣|王 wang fuchen|wang
王刚|王 wang gang|wang
王涵万|王 wang hanwan|wang
王沪宁|王 wang huning|wang
王军涛|王 wang juntao|wang
王力雄|王 wang lixiong|wang
王瑞林|王 wang ruilin|wang
王润生|王 wang runsheng|wang
王若望|王 wang ruowang|wang
王希哲|王 wang xizhe|wang
王秀丽|王 wang xiuli|wang
王冶坪|王 wang yeping|wang
网特|网 network spy|wang
尉健行|尉 wei jianxing|wei
魏京生|魏 wei jingsheng|wei
魏新生|魏 wei xinsheng|wei
温家宝|温 wen jiabao|wen
温元凯|温 wen yuankai|wen
文革|文 cultural revolution|wen
无界浏览器|无 boundless browser|wu
吴百益|吴 wu baiyi|wu
吴邦国|吴 wu bangguo|wu
吴方城|吴 wu fangcheng|wu
吴官正|吴 wu guanzheng|wu
吴弘达|吴 wu hongda|wu
吴宏达|吴 wu hongda|wu
吴仁华|吴 wu renhua|wu
吴学灿|吴 wu xuecan|wu
吴学璨|吴 wu xuecan|wu
吾尔开希|吾 wu°Øerkaixi|wu
五不|五 five nos|wu
伍凡|伍 wu fan|wu
西藏|西 tibet|xi
西藏独立|西 tibeten|xi
洗脑|洗 brainwash|xi
下体|下 private parts|xia
项怀诚|项 xiang huaicheng|xiang
项小吉|项 xiang xiaoji|xiang
小参考|小 little reference|xiao
肖强|肖 xiao qiang|xiao
邪恶|邪 evil|xie
谢长廷|谢 xie changting|xie
谢选骏|谢 xie xuanjun|xie
谢中之|谢 xie zhongzhi|xie
辛灏年|辛 xin haonian|xin
新观察论坛|新 new observer forum|xin
新华举报|新 xinhua report |xin
新华内情|新 xinhua inside|xin
新华通论坛|新 xinhua overview forum|xin
新疆独立|新 xinjiang independence|xin
新生网|新 xinsheng network|xin
新闻封锁|新 news blockage|xin
新语丝|新 new threads|xin
信用危机|信 trust crisis|xin
邢铮|邢 xing zheng|xing
熊炎|熊 xiong yan|xiong
熊焱|熊 xiong yi|xiong
修炼|修 practice|practice
徐邦秦|徐 xu bangqin|xu
徐才厚|徐 xu caihou|xu
徐匡迪|徐 xu kuangdi|xu
徐水良|徐 xu shuiliang|xu
许家屯|许 xujiatun|xu
薛伟|薛 xue wei|xue
学潮|学 campus upheaval|xue
学联|学 student association|xue
学习班|学 learning class|xue
学运|学 student movement|xue
学自联|学 student self-governing association|xue
雪山狮子|雪 snow mountain lion|xue
严家其|严 yan jiaqi|yan
严家祺|严 yan jiaqi|yan
阎明复|阎 yan mingfu|yan
颜射|颜 yan she|yan
央视内部晚会|央 cctv internal party|yang
杨怀安|杨 yang huai°Øan|yang
杨建利|杨yang jianli yang
杨巍|杨 yang wei|yang
杨月清|杨 yang yueqing|yang
杨周|杨 yang zhou|yang
姚月谦|姚 yao yueqian|yao
夜话紫禁城|夜 forbidden city night talk|ye
一中一台|一 one china one taiwan|yi
义解|义 yijie|yi
亦凡|亦 yifan|yi
异见人士|异 dissident|yi
异议人士|异 dissident|yi
易丹轩|易 ease pill lofty|yi
易志熹|易 yi zhixi|yi
淫穴|淫 lascivious hole|yin
尹庆民|尹 yin qingmin|yin
由喜贵|由 you xigui|you
游行|游 demonstration|you
幼齿|幼 young tooth|you
幼女|幼 infant girl|you
于大海|于 yu dahai|yu
于浩成|于 yu haocheng|yu
余英时|余 yu shiying|yu
舆论|舆 public opinion|yu
舆论反制|舆 reverse control of public opinion|yu
宇明网|宇 yuming network|yu
圆满|圆 |
远志明|远 yuan zhiming|yuan
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则民|则 zemin|ze
择民|择 zemin|ze
泽民|泽 zemin|ze
贼民|贼 zeimin|zei
曾培炎|曾 zeng peiyan|zeng
曾庆红|曾 zeng qinghong|zeng
张伯笠|张 zhang boli|zhang
张钢|张 zhang gang|zhang
张宏堡|张 zhang hongbao|zhang
张健|张 zhang jian|zhang
张林|张 zhang lin|zhang
张万年|张 zhang wannian|zhang
张伟国|张 zhang weiguo|zhang
张昭富|张 zhang zhaofu|zhang
张志清|张 zhang zhiqing|zhang
赵海青|赵 zhao haiqing|zhao
赵南|赵 zhao nan|zhao
赵品潞|赵 zhao pinlun|zhao
赵晓微|赵 zhao xiaowei|zhao
赵紫阳|赵 zhao ziyang|zhao
哲民|哲 zhemin|zhe
真相|真 truth|zhen
真象|真 truth|zhen
镇压|镇 repression|zhen
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QUOTE (desmo @ Oct 22 2009, 06:12)
真象|真 truth|zhen
Hey Desmo. I wonder if Cheapy can read your post?
They are reading it in France.
QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 21 2009, 21:33)
china is not what you think, it is as liberal as france
there are only presumptions about china being strict communist country, its nothing like that
you have to obey the law though, and the punishement are serious, but hey thats how its got to be
But if you are living in compliance with law, it is all good you do not have to be afraid of anything
Same with Cuba
there are only presumptions about china being strict communist country, its nothing like that
you have to obey the law though, and the punishement are serious, but hey thats how its got to be
But if you are living in compliance with law, it is all good you do not have to be afraid of anything
Same with Cuba
That is the typical defense of authoritarian governments: don't break the law and you have nothing to fear. That works fine until you are accused of a crime you didn't commit, or of breaking a law that doesn't exist. Then you are up shit creek like anyone else the government perceives as a threat to the state. Good luck with that. Then you have no way to prove your innocence as you have no due process. You are totally at the mercy of the state. Without certain and guaranteed individual rights, individual liberty means nothing. It can be taken away from you without a moment's notice.
QUOTE (McGuire @ Oct 22 2009, 10:34)
That is the typical defense of authoritarian governments: don't break the law and you have nothing to fear. That works fine until you are accused of a crime you didn't commit, or of breaking a law that doesn't exist.
Not to mention breaking a law that shouldn't exist (but does).
Just do what you're told, think what you're told and for goodness sake, don't say anything they don't like and you'll be fine. What could possibly be wrong with that?
QUOTE (gruntguru @ Oct 22 2009, 08:41)
Not to mention breaking a law that shouldn't exist (but does).
I have a number of times now asked for an example but you seem unwilling to offer.
Continue to live thinking your free because your Government told you that you are but you really need to see both sides of the fence before you can make better judgements.
QUOTE (McGuire @ Oct 22 2009, 08:34)
That is the typical defense of authoritarian governments: don't break the law and you have nothing to fear. That works fine until you are accused of a crime you didn't commit, or of breaking a law that doesn't exist. Then you are up shit creek like anyone else the government perceives as a threat to the state. Good luck with that. Then you have no way to prove your innocence as you have no due process. You are totally at the mercy of the state. Without certain and guaranteed individual rights, individual liberty means nothing. It can be taken away from you without a moment's notice.
Mac your more intelligent than this, the same happens anywhere in the world and the above, strictly as written, simply doesn't apply to China. You are speaking to a man who's Wife is a top lawyer here with here own law firm with 20 lawyers in our city and a Senior Partner in a major cities law firm so don't you think I know a little about what goes on law wise? Don't you think a normal evening conversation between us is about what case she is doing?
Doesn't that fact that there is law firms here tell you something on it's own? If you were at the mercy of the "State" why would there be lawyers?
QUOTE (McGuire @ Oct 22 2009, 00:34)
That is the typical defense of authoritarian governments: don't break the law and you have nothing to fear. That works fine until you are accused of a crime you didn't commit, or of breaking a law that doesn't exist. Then you are up shit creek like anyone else the government perceives as a threat to the state. Good luck with that. Then you have no way to prove your innocence as you have no due process. You are totally at the mercy of the state. Without certain and guaranteed individual rights, individual liberty means nothing. It can be taken away from you without a moment's notice.
Good lord...a strange comment. Is there not a centre (would not like to call it a jail as that would legitimise it) in Cuba, owned by the USA that holds people without due process, charges and keeps them in conditions that are not only against the laws is much of the US but generally considered against the constitution of the USA?
who do you trust?
-the guy that LIVES in china
-or the guy that lives in US/Europe whatever and knows about china only from what he heard on tv or read in newspapers
end of story
go to china and find for yourself.
I myself lived in Cuba for a year as a exchange student and I have experienced zero, I repeat zero problems, oh yeh and I had a good times, plenty
-the guy that LIVES in china
-or the guy that lives in US/Europe whatever and knows about china only from what he heard on tv or read in newspapers
end of story
go to china and find for yourself.
I myself lived in Cuba for a year as a exchange student and I have experienced zero, I repeat zero problems, oh yeh and I had a good times, plenty
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Oct 22 2009, 16:22)
You are speaking to a man who's Wife is a top lawyer here with here own law firm with 20 lawyers in our city and a Senior Partner in a major cities law firm so don't you think I know a little about what goes on law wise? Don't you think a normal evening conversation between us is about what case she is doing?
What sort of law does she practice? Has she represented one of the several thousand Chinese executed each year?
QUOTE (gruntguru @ Oct 22 2009, 10:01)
What sort of law does she practice? Has she represented one of the several thousand Chinese executed each year?
those are narcotic dealers
QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 22 2009, 19:06)
those are narcotic dealers
Embezzlement; rape of children; fraud; bombing; people trafficking; piracy; theft; corruption; arson; murder; poaching; endangerment of national security; terrorism.
No mention of narcotic dealers. I don't think they have any.
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