I don't think so...bolded part


but even if it is true it is not important where is factory...

Some people are gifted, some people are not. Obviously.

Facts:
- Ferrari wanted to sack Raikkonnen for underperforming.
. Ferrari wanted Alonso in his place
- Ferrari couldn´t pay so much money, so they decided to wait until 2011.
- Then Santander appears and offer Ferrari to pay and bring Alonso for 2010.

Result:

- Ferrari are happy to not wait until 2011 with an underperforming Raikkonnen.
- Alonso is happy because he doesn´t have to wait until 2011 to have a (probably) good car.
- Santander happy because they have the driver they want in the team they want.
- Raikkonnen (and his fanboys) biiter because he´s been sacked.


Hardly a pay driver, just some bitter (and afraid) people here who can´t stand to see Alonso with a capable car.

Right. He only got about $70M and does not have to do anything. Maybe You think he should be angry, I would not be.

This has come up previously: maybe this is the source article. I guess it wasn't just BB posters making stuff up,then.

Maybe you would not be angry but Räikkönen obviously is. And you do not have any idea about how much money hr gets nor is it important.

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But IF he said that, it's a dig at Alonso not Ferrari. Shooting the wrong target.

I do not care what You think but they do come from England anyway, sorry.

Source?

Yup just more people trying to involve Kimi in some controversy.

Renault engines come from Viry-Chatillon (sp.?), France. But what else to expect from a fanboy...

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Jesus Christ man, you really have no clue what 'facts' is, do you?

There should be some kind of 'Internet BB Posting License', were people has to pass a test in which they prove they know the difference between a FACT and a hamburger.

About Raikkonnen; Luca di Montezemolo and Domenicalli interviews make clear that he didn´t meet the expectations (so he underperformed)
About Santander paying for Alonso, sorry, I have no source, but if that is not true then this thread makes even less sense.

It would be a dig at both; someone needs to accept the payment so Ferrari's involvement is very much implied.

Well, that is normal for Raikkonen, he always tells the truth and honours contracts like his fellow-Finn Vatanen also does.

Of course Alonso is a pay driver. He is bringing sponsorship money with him, that's a fact. He is a 2 WDC pay driver with gobs of talent, but a pay driver nonetheless. What Alonso is supposed to do? Renege Santander and wait another year on the Renault scared of what people will say? If Nokia cared for Kimi, and wanted to pay for him to go whatever he wanted, would he say no, thanks?

Now if the story is true Kimi is being bitter. So much for being the "iceman". Of course he meant to imply Alonso should be ashamed of that, or that he is less of a driver for that. Which is not the case. If he has a beef, it should be with Ferrari. They were willing to break the contract. They didn't see (enough) value in him.

Except for the checks written to Schumi with the Marlboro logo.... and countless other champions from countless other companies. No big deal, just how the money plays the game in F1.

I wouldn't care if it was aimed at Ferrari,tbh. His bitterness (if any) is perfectly justified,considering the way he was tossed out to make way for a lesser driver.

I could tell you who doesn't make any sense!

Perhaps some quotes?

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Can't find word "underperformed"?

Is Marlboro a German company? Did Schumacher bring Marlboro with him from Benetton?

I'd think Rosberg-Mercedes-Brawn thing is another case of a talented pay driver getting favours, with Barrichello getting out of the day, etc. It's a much similar case, but I guess you can't help bringing Schumacher up, can you?

There is no quotes, he is just trolling

Rosberg - Mercedes doesn't equal with Alonso - Santander. You could then say that Kubica is a pay driver as Renault pays him to drive for them.

For example:
Montezemolo

Of course he doesn´t say : "Look, Kimi is crap, so we´re firing him" but bits like



I think he makes it very clear that Kimi didn´t meet their expectations, so they fire him and look for someone else that can do it

Ok, enough with the personal attacks. I´m just expressing my opinion. If you don´t like you can´t just debate.
You are the one who are trolling.

Yep, he say they want latino driver because Felipe feels lonely in a team with fin which didn't shout on every corner how is Ferrari great team.

No, you stated facts. You even listed them in a column labeled 'FACTS'. And in the post were you tried to prove your facts, you proved it was your opinion. If you do not see the difference between facts and opinions, you should not even attempt to enter a debate.

Well it probably is true that if Santander hadn't paid the bills, Alonso would still be driving a Renault next year. However, had Raikkonen said something like that out loud, we would have seen it quoted around much more than in one lone paper from Belgium. No doubt some other magazines will now publish a similar quote, but it's just recycling of this same story.

Just another journo colouring things up a bit, like seen so many times before.

Wow! you´re picky. Maybe "facts" is not the best word, maybe i should´ve written "What we know through the press". Is that ok for you?


Back on topic. Some people believe that Ferrari only fired Raikkonnen because Santander told them to do to make room for Alonso. And that is not true at all, as i said.

Ferrari wanted to replace Raikkonnen with Alonso, Santander made it possible.

Pay drivers usually get their sponsors to cough up.

Corrected.

Correct what you want. If Ferrari didn´t think it was a good change they wouldn´t have done it.
But don´t get Angry, your beloved Raikkonen will find a seat at McLaren. And do you know who´s paying it? Yeah, Santander.

No, you should have written "When I let my personal opinion rewrite things I read in the press, it looks as follows:"
Because we do not know these things from the press, if we read what is actually printed. Yes, I am picky. And my ignore list is growing at an alarming rate in order to keep my blood pressure down. For that I blame myself, trying to discuss things on a public BB is a sign of bad judgment. Still. Curiosity killed the cat.

I could have said something like that, and I'm pretty sure I'm not bitter about it.

Is not that in England also? Or belongs to the Great Britain anyway?
HeHe.

Actually sorry, small error from my side. The cars are made in England anyway.

A very good engine. As some good drivers like Vettel and Webber have shown us all.

Wow and wow. Do all Raikkonen fans struggle to read between lines? Nah I think it's just you here

And of course they would tell the media: "Santander is bringing in so much money that we couldn't say no when they insisted we must hire Alonso with immediate effect."

If that was the case, they would never say: "Oh well, Kimi is fast allright, doesn't complain, gives good feedback, brings us plenty of points with lousy car. But, eh... He's kinda quiet and doesn't have a personality of Berlusconi, il Duce, you know. That is why we bring in Alonso. He's got a great record of creating harmony within a team... yeah... that's why we want him. He may not be that fast, but he's sort of consistent. And by the way, our sponsors never decide on our drivers. Never...heh..."

You really think a sponsor would be telling ferrari who they will put in their car? Your not talking about force india here. Ferrari can take their pick from sponsors they were not desperate for santander and their 'demands'. Its really quite simple. Ferrari wanted to get rid of kimi because he was underperforming, and santander helped them get rid of him. If he was performing well they would have kept him and if santander objected they would have found another sponsor.

IF !!!!!

Kimi did say that, so what. What is the problem here ? he is just saying how it it is.
Kimi knows what is the truth way better than any of us here and now he is saying that out loud.

Even Ferrari is finding it hard to get a sponsor in this recession time....thats, The Truth!

Who told you that? Your mum?

No, no I would absolutely not be angry, I would love to get $70M without having to do anything.
You would not, or?
Do You really think he gets still more than $70M not to do anything? How much then, maybe $80M? or $100M?

Since You know that Alonso is worth much more than Raikkonen, how much do You think he will get when Ferrari kicks him out?
$150M, $200M or what? Do You think he will be angry then?

Bizarre how everybody jumps on an article from a very obscure source. The reliability of this article is very questionable. If the writer was J. Noble or D. Tremayne I would give it some credit, but come on...

Had KR been performing to expectation - he would not have been sacked

therefore, I think it is safe to assume that those in management of Ferrari believed he had underperformed.

Look, that story might be true too. Kimi is a honest person and what they claim he has said sounds true to me too.

It can't be, no!

I don't angry, but i found it's 'underperformed thing' annoying. Three titles out of four, number of victories, not a single bad word about team. For me reasons is obvious - money. If your sponsors wants some things - how you can refuse? Of course it's more complicated - i think Stefano want to built his team, Alonso will be his man, it's political games inside Ferrari, etc.

What exactly expectations? Why with Todt everything was ok not only with Kimi but in the whole team? And nowadays Ferrari sacked not only Kimi but a lot key peoples?

swo why do you think he was sacked? For over performing???

nothing new in the article, just some stuff we all know for some time on how much santander did to get Fred in Red and Kimi out.
As far as what Kimi WOULD have said, i don't buy it. This, AFAIC, is either a total misinterpretation of the comments he DID indeed already make about Fred's arrival (the deal being "commercial" etc...), or at least this is the journalist's own interpretation of the comment.

Moreover, he states it's clear Fred and Kimi probably won't spend their holidays together in the near future, as if Kimi is now utterly pi..ed at Fred now... Which goes to show how ignorant the writer of the article is about Kimi, and his relationship to other pilots, in particular to Fred.

So, again AFAIC, totally outdated & rubbish article. Move over, nothing to be seen.