A bit of freakiness for you. I'm not going to take credit for this, as it was originally posted by Ruairi on BBC's 606 messageboards, however thought it was very interesting, so I'm posting it here:



So, going by this theory, will Massa come back stronger, like Schumacher and win the 2010 championship?

I hope so..

FM 5xWDC?!

But Massa wasn't a 2 time champion before he joined Ferrari or arguably the most talented driver on the grid. Also the Mclarens have much better reliability now.

That's exactly the talk about only 5xWDC.

heh thats no better than the theory that who ever won the brazilian GP (when it was earlier in the season) would be the wdc

In terms of probabality I would say the chance of that trend continuing for another year are slim.

That said if Ferrari make a good enough car Im sure he can do it.

I would love to see it happen, i feel that he's deserving to win with ferrari more than anyone else in the grid.

Unfortunatly I don't think he is ever going to get as good a chance as he did last year and I'm not sure he ever will.
Atleast he can say he was WDC for a minute, more then most are able to do.

While Ferrari will have good cars again I don't think they will have the dominating cars they have had in the past.

The only problem is massa isnt schumacher.

You deserved my 5 star ratings for this! Great!

In terms of probably most of these kinds of "trends" are bunk.

I wouldn't mind that.

But the regulations were kept fairly stable form 1999 to 2000, IIRC, which isn't the case now.

..and Alonso isn't Barrichello.

actually, there is a strong correlation between winning a race and winning the championship.

But it does add, both had new teammates in 2000 and 2010.


Gosh, 2000 is nearly 10 years ago? I'm getting old all of a sudden...

After moving to Interlagos, winning both GP and WDC happened in 91, 92, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00, 02. Then it went to the end of the season and only happened in 2007.

Now, what really was a strong and nice jinx was to be pole at Barcelona. IIRC, only Berger - 1991, Kimi - 2005, Massa - 2007 and Kimi again - 2008 missed out. And it's bound to happen again in case Button gets it done.

Had this freaky thought and posted on another thread a little while ago. Realistically,it's down to how fit he is going to be throughout the season.


Then again,I do believe in freakier stuff like the concept of a common consciousness or karma,so you never know,IMO.

this is actually 'the truth..for once

Wow I had forgotten all about Schumacher's accident and break from F1. I really hope Massa can come back strong and give Alonso a run for his Santander money.

Maybe with today's sims and so on it's a lot ewasier than years ago to make a strong comeback from a freak accident, I don't know, look at Lauda, came back and championship, and Schumacher too, maybe it'll be even easier for Massa.

Here's to hoping!!!!

D.M.N.
So, going by this theory, will Massa come back stronger, like Schumacher and win the 2010 championship?


Sounds good for me. Bring it on!

Actually i hope not, next year i'm praying McLaren make a good car so we can see some vintage Lewis

Next year, I'm praying that at least once a race comes down to driver skill and drive courage and not down to who had the better aero package. I must say, though, I have absolutely no expectation that this prayer will ever be answered.

...amen to that brother.

Watch some spec series, not Formula One.

1995: Michael won his 2nd title. 9 wins, undoubtly his best season ever.

2005: Massa?

It´s going to be tough for Massa to beat Alonso. I am not saying he can´t do it, just that it will be tough for him (for Alonso too, obviously)

I do watch spec series with internet streams, whenever I can. On days like this, I wish I had never had any interest in the history of F1, because whenever I read on the internet about how good a team will be doing because of some dumbass technical upgrade, all I can picture is Rene Arnoux and Gilles Villeneuve banging wheels at Dijon-Prenois. That said, I'll be as much wide-eyed and shrouded in a cloud of cigarette smoke as the rest of you on Sunday morning. But this isn't the thread to cry about it, my apologies.

If FM wins the wdc next year ,barring an FA injury or tremendous bad luck, i will officially recognise that i dont know anything about F1,at least i will tell that to my friends...

A big variable in this - is that head injury... "Technically", he may have recovered, he may feel ready, his eye may be OK, but I think this is definitely going to be one of those "wait and see" situations.

conseillo:
If FM wins the wdc next year ,barring an FA injury or tremendous bad luck, i will officially recognise that i dont know anything about F1,at least i will tell that to my friends...


If it happens, I predict you blaming tremendous bad luck (no matter how it happens) instead of officially recognising that you don't know anything about F1.

No, I will recognise that i was wrong. That FA is not that good and that FM is better then I thought. I am not a blind person..
but....it is impossible,it has to be bad luck!!

Another trend for you.

1996 JV makes an amazing rookie year, fighting to the last race in the WDC.
2007 LH makes an amazing rookie year, fighting to the last race in the WDC.

1997 JV wins the title at the last race of the season
2008 LH wins the title at the last race of the season

1998 Williams build a shit car, JV ends up 5th in WDC.
2009 McLaren build a shit car. LH currently 6th in WDC, (though mathematically it is possible to get 4th, but extremely unlikely. Fifth best realistic goal).

1999 onwards JV drives shit cars for the rest of his career.
2010 onwards LH???

Ouch!

nope, just another Alonso fan making a tit of himself.

With recent history in mind, a good bet is for car number 22 to win the WDC in 2010 (would that be a USF1, Campos?)

;)

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Oooh, says the Lewis fan making a tit of himself by not being able to refute any of the facts available.

Tell me what part of the post was incorrect.

easy

One is JV, another is Lewis, two totally seperate people in two totally seperate teams in two totally seperate decades.

Two totally seperate people with an amazingly similar career path in F1. So far, at the very least.

OK, and this is a reply to a thread entitled "If you go by history, Massa will win the title in 2010".

So, by the same logic "If you go by history, Lewis will drive shit cars for the rest of his career".

The thread is about comparing history and spooky coincidences. The biggest spooky coincidence so far is that Lewis and Jacques have had pretty much identical first 3 years in F1.

So that means Alonso bought his seat at Ferrari for nothing

Poor Felipe, usurped by Lewis again

Ignoring Lewis' wins in his 3rd year, which JV didn't have, next year it's going to be a bit harder. A wdc with wins in each of his first 4 years?

Lets see,
Lewis beat the reigning 2x WDC in his rookie year, in the same car, without ever having driven on F1 grooved tires might I add, while JV first won the CART chamionship which allowed him to compete on a professional level before and mature. JV didn't lead the WDC in 1996 at any time while Lewis lead from the 3rd race all the way to the last. JV also lost in 96 to a mediocre driver while Lewis, like I said before, beat the reigning 2x WDC in the same car and was beaten only by raikonen in a superior car. Also JV left Williams after 98 to go to a brand new team while Lewis is still under contract and has said he would love to end his contract at McLaren. Also Lewis is where he is only because of his talent and pace shown in the feeder categories while with JV
his last name undeniably helped him find drives during his career.

And most importantly if you asked any F1 insider who the best driver is in 2008/2009 they will tell you Lewis Hamilton.
If you asked any F1 insider who the best driver is in 1997/1998 they would've told you MS, not JV.

If Lewis ever leaves Mclaren it would be to go to a better team (most likely Ferrari after they sack Fred/Massa or Brawn if Mercedes make them their new works team).

Oh yes, of course. Lewis won in 2009. Of course, in 1998 only 3 people in 2 teams won a race. In 2009, so far 6 people in 4 teams have won.

Hint. The teams are a hell of a lot closer this year.

Still, Lewis maybe able to match Jacques if he can beat Kimi. Let's see. If he can't, then history will show that in the third year, Jacques managed 5th and Lewis managed 6th.

I have asked F1 insiders. The best driver in 2008/2009 is Fernando Alonso. Lewis is very, very good, but he lacks the experience to understand a total title race when you don't have the best car. He may well turn out to be the best, but he isn't at the moment. If all you need to win the title is 5th, you will settle for 4th, rather than crash your car to attempt 3rd.

All of the best drivers in history have done this, from Fangio to Clark, to Schumacher to Alonso.

Hamilton will probably win again when he matures more.

The best driver in 1997/1998 was Michael Schumacher. However, everyone at the time pegged JV as the best of the rest. And yes, that includes Mika.

Jacques made some really bad career decisions, but ask anyone who was around at the time as to who they would want, it would be MS or JV.

I would still rate 1997-1998 seasons of Schumacher's driving as one of the best of all time, not quite as good as 2000. Given the cars that were quite slower than the Williams Renault of 1997 and the McLaren Mercedes of 1998. And the McLaren Mercedes of 2000.

Maybe you should've reminded Alonso about that before Fuji 2007?

Why do people - Massa included if I am not mistaken - say that he was WDC for a minute...

The results - thus the points - are not official until hours after the race is concluded. He was never WDC for a second let alone a full minute.

That is like saying that the person who won the first race of the year was WDC until the second race was run.

As to his winning in 2010 - not going to happen. There is no way Alonso will allow a repeat of 2007. Ferrari will centre on him for the foreseeable future

As long as Felipe beats Ferddie then I'll be happy!