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Denier
QUOTE (HDonaldCapps @ Oct 19 2009, 15:29) *
In the United States, it is quite rare to find any professional or college or amateur sport which does not have some form of a post-season series to determine the champion of that sport, that is a number of events which follow the regular season. The baseball World Series, the Super Bowl of the National Football League, "March Madness," and college football playoffs for the Division IA, II, and III teams and the Bowl Championship Series, as well as many other sports. When NASCAR created the Chase, it was simply following a well-worn path, simply adjusting the post-season concept to fit the series.



This is not an entirely American phenomenon, though. I am not very familiar with non-American sports, but the ones I am familiar with do have playoff-style championships. The World Cup. The Olympics. What about Rugby? etc., etc....

NASCAR deserves credit for innovating, not flack. Motorsports are now less homogenous.
ensign14
Those sports do not have all competitors on the field of play at the same time, so a knockout is the only way to suss out the best. And even then in football and cricket there are league championships.

NASCAR is like golf in that respect. And golf does not even have a championship. Indeed championships as a whole are otiose.
Alsi
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Oct 18 2009, 16:28) *
Did you see JJ totally get sideways coming off the corner with JG outside of him? It was insane. I swear, just about ANY other driver would have lost it completely. I couldn't believe how squirrelly he got.

Twice in fact!

Been watching NASCAR for only a few years, and picked Jimmie as my driver the year before his first Cup Championship, so I've been pretty happy with my driver choice. My best mate, who's a Jeff Gordon fan is less pleased! I've been luck enough to get to 3 live races so far - Fontana 2007 Autumn, which Jimmie won, then the Spring Talladega race for the last 2 years. We're booked for the Daytona 500 in February. Hope I'll be able to buy 4x Champion gear there (fingers crossed).
Phucaigh
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Oct 19 2009, 22:10) *
Those sports do not have all competitors on the field of play at the same time, so a knockout is the only way to suss out the best. And even then in football and cricket there are league championships.

NASCAR is like golf in that respect. And golf does not even have a championship. Indeed championships as a whole are otiose.


Golf has the Fed-ex cup played over a number of weeks for a grand prize of $10 million or so for the winner, there is also the race to Dubai.
Denier
So you've just got a problem with championships in general. I mean, fair enough. They are certainly flukish. I mean, the Arizona Cardinals almost won the Super Bowl last year (almost...). But like I showed earlier, the chance of a driver winning the Chase four years straight randomly: 1:20,736 (my number were actually off earlier). It's certainly a measure of something. The question is just whether it measure something you think is worth measuring...

For me personally, I think winning the Super Bowl is more impressive than having the best record in the regular season, and I think winning the Chase is more impressive than having the most points over 36 races.

Anyhow, you should check out college football. They pretty much just play the regular season, have a computer decide how good everyone is, then put everyone into "Bowl Games" based on that. There isn't a playoff, so it's pretty much just a regular season and that's it. People pretty much universally hate it. The day before the 2008 election, Obama went on TV and campaigned against it. He won the election.

I've enjoyed the discussion.
pingu666
pretty depressing race for a montoya and carl edwards fan frown.gif

need some parts ment for jr to make it onto JJ's car instead....
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