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Terrible in terms of fighting for championships and wins, but I'm really proud that in almost every race we could fight for solid points (except Singapore and Abu Dhabi), so if that consistency will be carried into 2010 season, I will be more than happy. Of course I hope F2010 will be closer to the top, maybe even the fastest car, so again with 2 very good drivers we will fight for wins and titles .
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QUOTE (Hairpin @ Oct 17 2009, 12:52) 
"We"? I always thought that sounded very silly. You took the decision?
Anyway, what I am trying to say, if the chmapionship had started in Silverstone, Kimi would be leading, or almost leading. He is driving to help Ferrari to be third in WCC. Then they give Fisi the new stuff. You think Kimi will feel motivated to help Ferrari? Honestly, I would park the car and give them the finger.
Anyway, what I am trying to say, if the chmapionship had started in Silverstone, Kimi would be leading, or almost leading. He is driving to help Ferrari to be third in WCC. Then they give Fisi the new stuff. You think Kimi will feel motivated to help Ferrari? Honestly, I would park the car and give them the finger.
Thanks to God, you will never drive a F1 car...
The race broadcaster said than when Massa came to Maranello, he saw the complete drawns of the F61 and that it s longer an wider than the F60.
So, more 2-3 weeks of building an the car is ready.
So, more 2-3 weeks of building an the car is ready.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79980
Ferrari: Diffuser row costly for team
"It was blocked, and that is why we said we don't have to do work here, because it will not carry on next year. That is why, looking at the numbers we have in the wind tunnel, I am positive now. With my feet on the ground - but for sure positive."
Ferrari: Diffuser row costly for team
"It was blocked, and that is why we said we don't have to do work here, because it will not carry on next year. That is why, looking at the numbers we have in the wind tunnel, I am positive now. With my feet on the ground - but for sure positive."
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 1 2009, 17:33)
The race broadcaster said than when Massa came to Maranello, he saw the complete drawns of the F61 and that it s longer an wider than the F60.
So, more 2-3 weeks of building an the car is ready.
So, more 2-3 weeks of building an the car is ready.
Euhm, 2-3 weeks? What do you expect them to do the 3,5 months left over? Go on vacation
QUOTE (saudoso @ Nov 1 2009, 12:44)
That's exactly the reason for the AFCA 
I'm not a Ferrari fan, but I really miss AFCA's insights and information.
Please come back! You really do/did add a hell of a lot of value to the forum*
* And many others
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In the new system, no place is reserved for Massa. In 2011 Kubica is bound to take over his seat.
I don't quite buy that part, but interesting article/speculation on the 661 nonetheless.
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Oct 17 2009, 00:17)
Obviously, but it shows how much they care about this years WCC. Should Kimi care then?
How was testing 2010 parts related to winning the 2009 WCC? I really fail to see the connection here... Why would testing parts of a car he will never drive somehow motivate Kimi to drove faster????????
QUOTE (ZenSpeed @ Nov 5 2009, 00:43)
How was testing 2010 parts related to winning the 2009 WCC? I really fail to see the connection here... Why would testing parts of a car he will never drive somehow motivate Kimi to drove faster????????
You are a week late and a dollar short
Had you read the rest of the thread you would have noticed that I thought they let Fisi race with a better car, in spite of relying on Kimi to bring home the points for the WCC. That would have been a weird decision. It turned out Fisi was just testing parts during practice.
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 1 2009, 12:33)
The race broadcaster said than when Massa came to Maranello, he saw the complete drawns of the F61 and that it s longer an wider than the F60.
So, more 2-3 weeks of building an the car is ready.
So, more 2-3 weeks of building an the car is ready.
The car can't be wider there is a fixed width that all cars must match. (1.8m)
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 5 2009, 00:27)
The car can't be wider there is a fixed width that all cars must match. (1.8m)
I think you are talking about wheel width and Massa was talking about bodywork shape/dimensions.
A British media source says Ross Brawn has indicated his 2010 F1 car will feature a Red Bull-style high nose, while reports in the Italian press say the new Ferrari - internally codenamed the 661 - will have a Brawn-like low nose.
from f1-live.com
from f1-live.com
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Fernando Alonso will be able to attend the Ferrari World Finals in Valencia this weekend, after the Renault team allowed the Spaniard to be at the event with his new team.
Alonso, who will drive for Ferrari from next season, was in doubt for the Spanish event as he still has contractual obligations with Renault.
However, the two-time champion will finally be able to attend the event.
Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali was thankful to Renault for the gesture.
"We are pleased that Fernando will be able to attend what, for us, is a very important event," said Domenicali.
"It will be a great opportunity for all our fans who will be able to give him a warm welcome and for Fernando, who, for the first time, will be able to see and experience an insider's view of the world of Ferrari.
"I wish to thank the Renault F1 Team for making it possible for Fernando to be in Valencia; a generous gesture which is much appreciated."
The Ferrari World Finals, the event which traditionally brings the Maranello squad's racing season, takes place this weekend at the Ricardo Tormo circuit.
Alonso, who will drive for Ferrari from next season, was in doubt for the Spanish event as he still has contractual obligations with Renault.
However, the two-time champion will finally be able to attend the event.
Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali was thankful to Renault for the gesture.
"We are pleased that Fernando will be able to attend what, for us, is a very important event," said Domenicali.
"It will be a great opportunity for all our fans who will be able to give him a warm welcome and for Fernando, who, for the first time, will be able to see and experience an insider's view of the world of Ferrari.
"I wish to thank the Renault F1 Team for making it possible for Fernando to be in Valencia; a generous gesture which is much appreciated."
The Ferrari World Finals, the event which traditionally brings the Maranello squad's racing season, takes place this weekend at the Ricardo Tormo circuit.
QUOTE (ICEBALL @ Nov 5 2009, 13:50)
A British media source says Ross Brawn has indicated his 2010 F1 car will feature a Red Bull-style high nose, while reports in the Italian press say the new Ferrari - internally codenamed the 661 - will have a Brawn-like low nose.
from f1-live.com
from f1-live.com
IIRC, it was the opposite. Since Ferrari had figured out that the RBR style had more potential for development.
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 13 2009, 21:00)
IIRC, it was the opposite. Since Ferrari had figured out that the RBR style had more potential for development.
I would think that because Ferrari actually tested an RBR style "nose" they would go with that concept and go with the undercut sidepods and diffuser direction of Brawn.
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 4 2009, 23:50)
I think you are talking about wheel width and Massa was talking about bodywork shape/dimensions.
I can't imagine the bodywork being "wider" but maybe that is what it is
Very simplified logic. Brawn had the superior engine so RBR must of had the better package to compete with them, sometimes even without the DDD.
Did Ferrari ever run a DDD all season? If they did redesign the whole rear for a DDD they where still compromised by designing with KERS, either way they where impressively strong for being so compromised and now they are combining that know-how to a more focused and optimal package.
Ferrari not being competitive next year just seems an impossibility right now.
Did Ferrari ever run a DDD all season? If they did redesign the whole rear for a DDD they where still compromised by designing with KERS, either way they where impressively strong for being so compromised and now they are combining that know-how to a more focused and optimal package.
Ferrari not being competitive next year just seems an impossibility right now.
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 14 2009, 18:18)
I can't imagine the bodywork being "wider" but maybe that is what it is
Somewhere they need to accommodate the larger fuel tank. More precisely other things, that were mounted where the larger fuel tank will be installed might be moved outwards. Since we are talking about 100 liter bigger tank than this season, this will take up some space.
QUOTE (MichaelPM @ Nov 14 2009, 23:12)
Ferrari not being competitive next year just seems an impossibility right now.
Hopefully they are competetive.
But if you read the Bridgesyonme article at formula1.com, things are not that easy. Bridegstone was last seasin being requested to provide more differing tires. They achieved that by making tires work in different temperature range. So this issue hasn't changed. We saw this year how different teams had better races at some tracks, while it was more difficult for them at others. With the ban of refueling the differences might get even bigger next year, because of weight difference from end to start of the race. That's certainly a challenge for all teams.
But nevertheless, with DDD being fully integrated Ferrari should do better.
The main challenges Ferrari is gonna face in 2010.
> New driver: Alonso.
> Driver's ego battle: Alonso vs Massa.
> Engine's fuel consumption [higher than the average]
> New aero concept: RBR higher nose.
> Make the tires work.
> New driver: Alonso.
> Driver's ego battle: Alonso vs Massa.
> Engine's fuel consumption [higher than the average]
> New aero concept: RBR higher nose.
> Make the tires work.
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Did Ferrari ever run a DDD all season?
Yeah it was introduced for the spanish gp and upgraded in turkey. That was pretty much it.
QUOTE (Odvan @ Oct 16 2009, 20:04)
I might add Domi think engine freeze development and no tests during the season are ridiculous. I think when Todt became president we will hear about changes in this areas.
I dont blame him. The Ferrari engine is thirstier than the Merc, and with no fuel stops allowed in 2010 the weight penalty (and no doubt design penalty for a larger tank than their competitors) will be a lot bigger. Ferrari needs to build more fuel efficiency into their engine, but the engine freeze will stop this from taking place. In addition the new rules may actually mean the cars are running at lower peak revs to conserve fuel and potential not in the "power band" of the rev range.
Expect teams running the Merc engine to have the upper hand unless the engine rules are changed.
QUOTE (Italiano Tifoso @ Nov 15 2009, 03:05)
I dont blame him. The Ferrari engine is thirstier than the Merc, and with no fuel stops allowed in 2010 the weight penalty (and no doubt design penalty for a larger tank than their competitors) will be a lot bigger. Ferrari needs to build more fuel efficiency into their engine, but the engine freeze will stop this from taking place. In addition the new rules may actually mean the cars are running at lower peak revs to conserve fuel and potential not in the "power band" of the rev range.
Expect teams running the Merc engine to have the upper hand unless the engine rules are changed.
Expect teams running the Merc engine to have the upper hand unless the engine rules are changed.
How much can they do to mitigate this problem during the engine re-equalization?
Bit rich for Ferrari who have upgraded their "frozen" engine regularly to increase the power, to then ask for concession so they can reduce fuel consumption!
I'm sure they would like to have the best engine, but they have to accept that Cosworth will be allowed to homologate the best engine, for political purposes.
I'm sure they would like to have the best engine, but they have to accept that Cosworth will be allowed to homologate the best engine, for political purposes.
Montezemolo is the driver 
Rescued by Camps and Barberá:
Thanks to Erco for the pictures
Rescued by Camps and Barberá:
Thanks to Erco for the pictures
Did Alonso have to wear that dodgy jumper as a part of the Renault deal?
QUOTE (MichaelPM @ Nov 15 2009, 15:52)
Did Alonso have to wear that dodgy jumper as a part of the Renault deal?
I think he is just starting to assume Schumacher's role.
QUOTE (prty @ Nov 15 2009, 14:53)
I think he is just starting to assume Schumacher's role.
I guess they went chasing his cowboy hat into the gravel and that is why they got stuck.
Aint it great Alonso in Ferrari now. I mean in 2005 06 he was my enemy lol. Now Im gonna be a fan of him! The circle is complete..
QUOTE (Henrytheeigth @ Nov 15 2009, 17:03)
Aint it great Alonso in Ferrari now. I mean in 2005 06 he was my enemy lol. Now Im gonna be a fan of him! The circle is complete..
'05 & '06 Ferrari was my enemy and now I'm cheering for them
Hey wait, granted I don't read/post here as much, seeing how the Armchair Opinion seems to have taken a turn for the more.... incessant...
..but what happened to AFCA???
..but what happened to AFCA???
QUOTE (prty @ Nov 15 2009, 14:39)
I see that Fred is already getting into the "New Schumacher" role... starting with his wardrobe
QUOTE (Rubens Hakkamacher @ Nov 15 2009, 15:08)
Hey wait, granted I don't read/post here as much, seeing how the Armchair Opinion seems to have taken a turn for the more.... incessant...
..but what happened to AFCA???
..but what happened to AFCA???
To many fanboys and trolls giving him shit over his sources etc.
He is missed a great deal IMO (and I'm not even a Ferrari fan).
QUOTE (prty @ Nov 15 2009, 14:53)
I think he is just starting to assume Schumacher's role.
Yep, bad dress sense.
What is it with the grandad jumper? If he carries on like this he'll have to be renamed Grandad Fred.
Maybe its a criteria in Ferrari, if you have good taste in clothes you are out. Hmmmm...
That jumper is just horrible.
Slight dress sense improvements
QUOTE (Buckethead @ Nov 16 2009, 02:07)
'05 & '06 Ferrari was my enemy and now I'm cheering for them
Your circle is complete as well!
QUOTE (Buckethead @ Nov 15 2009, 20:07)
'05 & '06 Ferrari was my enemy and now I'm cheering for them
+1
I just hope my two favortite drvers prove everybody wrong next year and form a geat teammate relationship..
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 15 2009, 16:36)
+1
I just hope my two favortite drvers prove everybody wrong next year and form a geat teammate relationship..
I just hope my two favortite drvers prove everybody wrong next year and form a geat teammate relationship..
And which one do you support more?
QUOTE (postajegenye @ Nov 15 2009, 20:46)
And which one do you support more?
I support both equally.. I will be happy for Massa when he beats Alonso next year on some races and viceversa.. If it becomes a two horse race between the two for the title I would probably be more inclined towards Massa because I feel he deserved the title last year and was very unlucky and Alonso already has two..
More on the Ferrari world finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gSRCW7-RM
Alonso and Massa need to push harder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gSRCW7-RM
Alonso and Massa need to push harder.
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Nov 15 2009, 16:47)
More on the Ferrari world finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gSRCW7-RM
Alonso and Massa need to push harder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gSRCW7-RM
Alonso and Massa need to push harder.
What the hell was Luca thinking? he wasn't going to try and do donuts in gravel with his drivers for 2010 sitting on the back like that???
QUOTE (MichaelPM @ Nov 15 2009, 16:52)
What the hell was Luca thinking? he wasn't going to try and do donuts in gravel with his drivers for 2010 sitting on the back like that???
Nah, he was doing a Piquet special.
Luca 
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Nov 15 2009, 17:47)
More on the Ferrari world finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gSRCW7-RM
Alonso and Massa need to push harder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gSRCW7-RM
Alonso and Massa need to push harder.
Shame
It seems that the videocamera was attached to a snake with a match in its as*.
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Nov 15 2009, 22:03)
Spain is looking very strong for the world cup.
QUOTE (prty @ Nov 15 2009, 11:53)
I think he is just starting to assume Schumacher's role.
According to Charles Michael talking through his AS...
Schumacher will dropt the pit wall consigligligliere role and shift his focus to street car development and use his image in marketing campaigns.
http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/formula-a...dasdaimot_1/Tes
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