LOL, you are assuming that they have the same amount of fuel on board.
It would seem the most people wanting the Ferrari to faster are their fans - which is understandable - but no else in the paddock seem to share that view.
We will shortly have a definite answer to this "debate".

I really don't think this "dabate" is worth getting into anymore at least not until we do have something more concrete. Even the Toro Rosso is as fast as the RB; maybe true but who knows

TR as fast as Red Bull

Hummm... I remember Lewis doing well at Interlagos with only ONE pit stop (18th to 3th), including beaten smooth Jenson and others who are a class above in the process — All of them made TWO pit stops...

He's a well know Lewis basher with a history of exteme statements, take them in the humour they are meant.

I think he´s the only driver out there who has been told his race strategy by Bridgestone, turkish GP i think, he was too hard on the tyres so Bridgestone urged McLaren to put him on a 3 stop strategy.

I´m not assuming anything, that´s why i said it seems...

We can now assume the McLaren had more fuel and that Hamilton was driving with just one hand, if that pleases you and the rest in the paddock.

Yeah he used to push too hard too often. There's so much talk about being hard on the tyres based on a supposed driving style. Most of it is poppycock. A so-called smooth line can be just as hard on the tyres if the driver is pushing. A driver taking a fast corner in a smooth motion at the limit, with the tyres being fully loaded both vertically and laterally so the rubber is literally being squished down but also a very high lateral loading can kill the tyres if done corner after corner on a fast track. Best analogy is to imagine taking a pencil eraser, pushing down very hard on a flat edge onto some tarmac and then simultaneously pushing it sideways. You will leave half the eraser on the tarmac!

Lewis' driving has changed significantly and he can adapt his driving to take care of the tyres. He knows when and how hard to push, how often and how long to let the tyres recover. He had a 1 pitstop strategy at Interlagos going from 17th to 3rd. You just don't do that if you're crap with tyre management.

Good to see the young lad can identify areas of improvement and systematically address it. Not so good news for his competitors though.

A Ferrari F2010 thread turning out to be a Lewis thread!? Not good!

Can we just speak about F2010 here please?

Lol, I didn't know Felipe Baby is that tiny...

Well, the two guys around him are at 184 cm or 6'1", which doesn't help much

Sure it is. Keep repeating it to yourself.

I would say it is true Lewis Hamilton is pretty hard on the tyres. His driving style is not 'smooth' and he has had more trouble with getting the tyres to last than others have had judging by what I've seen.

But that doesn't make him a class below the others. He's a F1 World Champion, he is in Class 1.

Hungary and Singapore last year were all about keeping your tyres intact and he won them both

I'm looking at his F1 career in whole. It is in my opinion fair to say he's had more trouble getting the tyres to last than the others have had. I think it is just a recognition of a fact. He's a F1 World Champion who is rough on his tyres. No big deal. It is better to be rough on the tyres and a F1 World Champion than not be a F1 World Champion at all.

Err Ferrari thread?

His F1 career has only spanned 3 seasons, though.

If you keep destroying your tyres, you don't win anything - plain and simple.

The last two years Hamilton has been better on tyre wear than Kovalainen - and in the last three years the McLaren have built cars which have been relatively aggressive on the tyres

Indeed.

Can we keep on topic please?

Wow! Thats a lot for a pitcrew...looks like 08 uniforms?

and where's the car!?

I read somewhere that Alonso has moved his accomodation closer to the Ferrari plant; that bloke means business certainly.

Yes his whole career..all 3 yrs of it. But yes it is fair to say he's had more trouble than some others. But it's also fair to say he's improved. Significantly. I can't recall any particular troubles in 2009. In fact I remember Interlagos 18th to 3rd on a one stop strategy. Also his team mate Heikki had far more trouble with managing the tyres in 2009.

Anyway as it's a Ferrari thread, getting back on topic. I think Ferrari have possibly developed a car with fantastic race pace. I don't think they've revealed their cards fully yet. I think their whole whinging they started this year about others possibly being on the diffuser legality limit was a ruse to throw anyone off about the amazing diffuser they have for their car. Let the games begin!

If Ferrari split the last 2 tests it will mean Massa gets 1 extra day of testing than Alonso, which is extremely unfair considering Alonso is the new guy who deserves more time to adjust to the new team. I hope Ferrari give him 3 days in the final test and not waste it on Massa. Massa is a nice guy but they are humoring him a little too much as a credible challenger with all this equal treatment crap. Hes had 3 chances and failed 3 times, so its time they focused on Alonso to help him do what he does best. Its quite silly to give two unequal drivers equal treatment and totally unfair. Alonso deserves the treatment of a double world champion and sadly thats something Massa does not qualify for.

No bias in that post then.

It's 1/2 way through the 2007 season all over again!!!!

Considering the time Massa has spent out of the car due to his Hungary accident, I dont think Alonso will begrudge him 1 extra day. Especially considering the weather.

Its sad that you are actually serious.... when will fans like you learn. If your driver is so super awesome, then surely a day of testing isnt a big deal. He also shouldnt need preferential treatment to beat Massa or perform well enough to win the WDC either. This line of thinking disgusts me

+1

Does anybody think that FA needs that extra-day to be as fast, reliable, consistent as Flipe is. No point to that. Then we should count dry days and wet days and make the right balance

SF will do whatever they should.

Guys you are taking him to serious..... Leave him...

Not big deal, give the extra day to Fisichella

Uhm, no, give it to Schumacher. After all, he brought so much joy for Ferrari.

Noo...give it to the fastest test driver Luca Badoer.

Ferrari gave Fisi two days .

will the aero package for barcelona will include the all new diffuser ? or is it just a rumour ?

According to what my sources say the final package will only be revealed in Barcelona next week and that Ferrari are running with their "interim" solution for now.

Thx for the info, great forum here for a F1 fan

You are someone I trust regarding sources.

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Any new bits or changes? I only see slot in the middle of rear wing:

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It looks like Ferrari made the side pods smaller, but perhaps it is the angle of the shots.

From those two angles you cannot tell if the slot's new, it could be on last weeks pic but from the lower angle it's obscured by the leading edge of the wing.

Slot in the rearwing has been used since last year Depends on the downforce configuration they run though whether it's there or not.

A lot went into the floor naturally. We don't see them at all..

Would love to see a high res pic of the back end of the F10 btw. As for some reason they are covering the back end and the diffuser doesn't seem to be different.

Moved a few posts. Can we keep times and non technical testing 'chatter' in the testing thread please?

There's also the live commentary and java chat available to you for that stuff.

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I know this will upset some people here but every time I look the Ferrari I think that their aero, diffuser apart, is too simple. I just saw a close pic and the front wing is very simple with flap's surfaces been almost flat. The same could be sais about the nose and rear wings, it's designs aren't anything special as Red Bull's for instance.

I think the car is so simple that Ferrari made it on purpose, for some reason it seems their car is the best in race pace but I reckon they'll not be front runners in Q2 pace. If Ferrari invested on the floor downforce rather than focusing on the bodywork, this might work out since the floor area is bigger now and the floor downforce doesn't bring much drag.

I suppose Ferrari car will be medium in high speed corners, very good on the other corners and also very good on straight speed due to low drag. I'm not betting in many Ferrari poles but in, at least, some solid wins.

special is not allways faster But I agree that ferrari 'never' does something innovative, extreem, ...

And what in fact is the rule about the front wing ? limited cm² or inch²?? because allmost all the cars have more cm² or inch² of front wing , so i think more downforce

i doubt youll upset anyone! but you might annoy those who spend thier time in the testing threads reminding people that the lift/drag ratio of a cars aero kit cannot be divined by looking at it.