I always find it funny when they say a car looks like xyz's car. At the end of the day, F1's regulations mean a car can only have so many variations, and often the winning combination is bound to look similar to other winning combinations on the field. Everyone is trying to maximise potential, so you're obviously going to get cars that are quite similar. You'd thought people would have realised this about F1 decades ago.

Interesting reading about the possibility for 1.8L Turbo engines for 2013 though! Should fall in line well with the drive towards effeciency. Still, they really ought to try and cut costs off the track foremost. Instead of engine freezes why can't they ban stupid motorhomes... more like motormansions.

Yeah surprised no one has mentioned the proposed new engine formula until now, sounds interesting, I'm all for it. I'm salivating at the prospect of unlimited boost... well hopefully anyway.

Well the Ferrari, still, is one of the kindest cars to its tyres.

Alonso, as we saw in 2005 and 2006, works his tyres pretty hard, so I think he will adapt to Tombazis' aero philosophy fine.

Also, one thing that does make me giddy inside is that among this generation of drivers, Fernando is one of the most fuel conscious. I remember in 2006 and even 2007 actually, Alonso going to extraordinary steps to conserve fuel and make the most of any advantage that could bring.

Next year, being able to manage the car's fuel load is going to be a big part of who is successful.

A good aero philosophy, a car that is gentle on its tyres, a good efficient engine, and an aware driver will be important.

I don't know how much Ferrari can do to improve it's engine's thirst, but I think on the other fronts they stand in good stead.

Can't wait until next season

And we saw in 2007 that he doesn't work his tires too much, unlike Hamilton did in China.

f661 = 666 1 (as f = 6th letter)

strange name..

can't wait for 2015

The Renaults were harder on their tyres, period... It's just that the MP4-20 and F248 were better on tyre wear.

It is going to be one hell of a car, the F2015.

AFCA come back ..

If this car isn't the fastest in the grid in 2010 it will be a shame, as Ferrari has been working for ages on it.

McLaren should be doing the same.

Strange being excited about a Ferrari.

was it strange to be excited about a Renault in the beginning?

Never wished Renault would stop making dominant cars while I was supporting Williams so it was different

Too many new fanboys had the audacity to question his sources, doubt his integrity, argue with him and unfortunately, ran one of the best posters off this forum. It has genuinely been a TRAGIC LOSS! Come back AFCA! You have been sorely missed.

What makes it worse is that he's lurking.

COME BACK AFCA

AFCA Come back pleasssssseeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I miss you like American Cream Soda

Is the Ferrari engine thirst for real or a myth? Is there a comparison to the Mercedes engine available?


JYS likened a full of fuel F1 car to a pregnant elephant, and said those that could handle this the best would obviously rise to the top - Ferrari in Alonso hands springs to mind!

I wasn't around questioning his posts, but I did read his posts. I've been reading this forum for about 2 years before joining so I knew these people who were actively posting here. I have to say I did notice he could have mentioned more where did he get his information from. I understood he translated a lot of articles and then he didn't mention the source. That IS a problem. I did like his posts, but this one thing would be where he could improve. If he translates an article from some newspaper/website, then mention the source. It's not difficult. I think it is a reasonable expectation.

If he has insider sources, then he can politely say he cannot reveal his sources (and sensible people will understand) I don't remember seeing him do that. But I would indeed welcome him back here, I did enjoy his posts a lot no matter was he mentioning sources or not. I know he sometimes did mention sources, but often didn't, and I guess some people got irritated by that.

Hope the 2010 challenger is a damp squib and is worse than the F60.

I see your point, but the thing with AFCA, was that his reports and comments were invariably correct. AFCA had a 90% accuracy rate and on this forum where rumour is commented on as fact, AFCA was the equivalent of a sage. I too have been reading this forum for a few years and only decided to join this year, and pre-season getting information off AFCA was a breath of fresh air. IMO sorely missed. and I'm a Mclaren fan.

I think he might actually have got into trouble with forum rules towards the end with mods as a massive amount of his unsourced posts got deleted.

I don't about thirst, but it's widely accepted that the Ferrari motor requires more cooling. The larger radiators required is going to impact on the fuel tank placement and therefore may compromise aero even more.

Is there actually a rule for it? People post "according to my source" quite often. I personally think it's up to individual member to decide if it's credible.

Depends if its copyrighted material or not.

Yeah, that's what I was talking of, I noticed he wasn't mentioning sources even though he was obviously posting translated articles. It does even break copyright laws in many countries I believe. You can't take an entire article and just post it elsewhere without mentioning the source. In fact you can't even post it in its entirety, you should just re-post some of it and then link to the original. So in fact he wasn't only breaking forum posting ethics but also laws (depends on where he lives, of course). So the people who complained did have a valid point (but may have presented it in a rather rude manner, which causes problems of course).

I do hope he would come back to post here as he was obviously doing a lot of work to benefit this community. Just some very minor adjustments and his posting will be very fine for the moderators, too, I believe.

the new nose is more brawn than RB..they tested an RB style nose back in germany i think.there were also comments suggesting they would start the development with that nose as it gave them a greater margin for modification/development as compared to the brawn nose

You are correct, the mods of this forum have said several times that you can't post copyrighted material in its entirety, as you said, they want you to post extract, and a link and they won't have any problems with it. They need to protect themselves from a legal point of view.

Back to topic, but how often do these magazines/websites technical drawings actually match a teams future new design? They might have a idea but surly a lot is guesswork.

AFCA was class
tbh most cars will be longer, as there fuel tanks will be bigger.

This is not an official news site. This is A forum. So only people like you think AFCA's participation was a kind of a problem. If you look back at recent threads you'll see a lot of garbage but with categorical claims and no source. AFCA had earned his credibility all by his own and was constantly attacked by anti-Ferrari newcomers. Finally IMO the site owner got jealous and chased the guy out.

On topic: revolution or not the new car must be a top one from the beginning or LdM is going to have a lot of headache - sacking Raikkonen and signing with Alonso with no good results will be a real pain.

Yes you might be right, but it also might have being to do with getting sued by the holders of the copyright, hmmmm which is more likely......

Maybe he is given his insight info somewhere else.
Exclusive Ferrari F2010

Look at the end of the article.

HINT:Written by Astro1 with a lot of valued and appreciated help and info from our friend AFCA

That would be even worse, a total BS move.
It is immoral to sue somebody for compiling info from several sources and presenting it in his own words to a public gathering like an internet forum.

No, Autosport would be liable not AFCA.

yeah looks like nobody picked that up

You guys finally found out?

That makes the comments about those articles like 'wonder how reliable that source is' just more fun.

Not saying Ferrari1forum is better, but, at least for the last 6 months, they had way better intell than this forum (which was more of a Trulli vs Sutil style pitbull fighting club)

That is the internal factory designation. The F2009 was the 660 (hence F60) and the F2008 was called the 659, F2007 the 658 etc. etc.

true..plus the car will undergo extensive changes in the 3 months we have before the first tests.it probably wont resemble the initial model much at all..we may be clutching at straws here but thats all one has pre season.im very preturbed by the fact that ferrari may have some mega plan up their sleeves while mac have been developing theirs throughout the season.

the writer of this article mentions AFCA at the end which means the later had input into it.AFCA has definite links inside the team so im guessing the article has some value.the reasons why i mentioned the RB nose was that this news has been circulating around for weeks now.it was tested back in germany.but the nose cone shown in that article is more brawn than anything else.

see this RB5 style nose..courtesy of bar555



and then see the image in the article

itd be interesting to compare the article nose cone to mac's current nose cone but thatd be OT..lets wait for the mp4-25 thread

Slightly OT, but interesting:

MILAN, Nov 1 (Reuters) - Enzo Ferrari Junior, the great
grandson of his namesake and the car firm's founder, has gained
a motor racing license but is keeping his ambitions in check.
"For the moment I have only taken a racing license. A dream
is to race the Le Mans 24-Hour," the 21-year-old told Sunday's
Gazzetta Sportiva newspaper.
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo was also quoted as
telling former Formula One world champion Jacques Villeneuve
that he could test a Ferrari GT car as he plots a way back into
F1.

It was called F60 due to the fact that it is Ferrari's 60th single seater race car made for the FIA Formula One World Championship.

hmmm don't really understand that, if mclaren could developo from their flawed platform I'm sure ferrari could as mclarens car was even more compromised then theirs was.

For Ferrari, like BMW, it would have been necessary to introduce a new gearbox and a new rear crash structure to make the DD work 100%.
I think it was right not to throw much money and resources into this.

right, so mclaren was able to alters theres with having to produce a new gearbox.

That makes his statement untrue somehow. Ok so McLaren got theirs to work. What does that have to do with Ferrari?

Yeah at the time of DD-gate it was said that McLaren, given the gearbox and crash structure design, could more easily incorporate the different interpretation. Whether that's true or not I don't know. Besides McLaren has always managed to develop the car strongly in a year (see 2004 as well which seems similar).

You've read it wrong, I never said his statement is untrue. Right = yes. Was discussing why the F60 was unable to be developed. Which Mod was kind enough to enlighten.

That's exactly the reason for the AFCA

So is this the official F2010 thread? hopefully it will be troll-free like the mclaren thread this year.

Anyway, terrible year, hopefully stopping development in July means the F2010 will be very competitive.