But how? I've never read or seen any interview where Piquet appeared arrogant or selfish. He always spoke with balance, never underestimated the rivals and never spoke about himself as the second coming, like Senna used to do. He had infinitely more class than Senna who, despite ultimately being the better driver, was extremely egocentric, bullyish on track, selfish and arrogant.

GC

Piquet 1m06s faster than Senna?

http://www.f1grandprix.it/css/notizia.asp?...;categ=amarcord

Is that Mrs.Larrousse or Mrs.Laffite ???

Its the mother of Piquet jr.

The gorgeous Dutch Sylvia Tamsma...

Piquet was of course a great racer on track, but in Argentina became quite unpopular after he won the title fight against Carlos Reutemann at the end of 1981 season. I noted that during my own childhood, when I tried to be a Piquet fan at the start of 1988 season and my family saw me as a stranger (I didn't know the 1981 story then).
Later in 2006, he gained another stint of unpopularity in the Pampas when Nelson Piquet Jr. took over the testing place of Renault F1, over the hopes of José María López to secure that place.

But you were right to do it, bcs Piquet raced several years with the Argentinian and Briton license.

Piquet had issues with the Brazilian Auto Federation asking for obscene fees to local drivers and after retirement tried to stablish a pirate league to promote cheaper local karting/racing series.

senna was faster and more brave racer than Piquet sr.
Piquet was crap in the rain and streets of Monte Carlo,....
It is not easy to live in the shadow of Ayrton Senna and to have a son which is not fast enough for F1

Or a nephew....

GC

nephew is not a son
but nephew will come for sure....and Piquet sr. will live in the shadow of Ayrton Senna forewer!!

Still filled with bitterness...



But he said he does not understand the hysteria about 23-year-old Piquet Jr's actions.

"Ayrton Senna won two championships like that," said Piquet Snr. "In 1983 the F3 championship against Martin Brundle, and in 1990 he was World Champion after pushing Alain Prost off the circuit completely deliberately."

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24102009/13/...ogise-sued.html

It depends. General public is on average known for its bad taste. For the connoissesurs, Piquet Sr. was and is in many ways head and shoulders above that Sao Paulo taxi driver.

GC

for Piquet.
He is right. Senna worked so hard on building his own image and myth that he managed to go unpunished for the biggest travesty in the history of the sport, something that really called for the most serious punishment.
I may rant about Räikkönen's first lap at Spa this year but the fact is it remained within the realms of racing. Senna's action was pure crime and he should have been arrested for it.

GC

it is not easy to live in the shadow of ayrton senna-"the best Monte Carlo taxi driver ever "

I doubt Piquet cares about Senna any more.

GC

He cares about slow Piquet jr.
Piquet and Colombo cooldown please Bruno Senna is comming

Which is more than can be said about you, hrvoje.

He would like, but lives in Brazil... Living in S.Paulo, I've gone a couple of months to work, first through the Senna tunnel and than taking the Senna highway... The yellow helmet guy was (unfortunately IMO) not only a bloody quick racing driver, but also the first "only-media-counts" sportsman worldwide. And I even prefer Schumacher, who had his RTL- contract, than Senna's "behind-close-(back?)-doors" way...

BTW if my son would like (thanks God it's not the case...) to be a racing driver, I would support him as good as I could...

Oh, he is welcome!

GC

People talk too much about 1990 and too little about 1989.

Yes, undoubtedly Senna relied on, used and manipulated the media to build his own myth. A great driver but even greater manipulator. The irony of the fate was that the final and most important part of the myth that he had been building so skilfully was completed by his tragic death.

GC

Well, for once we agree.

'nuff said about it! What's new/old about Piquet Sr. ?

mate you should test your son take him to the local gokart track (that is if you would want to spend on motor racing which cost insanley much) how old is he btw? maybe he has some talent

Thanks mate! As a young guy I've been a couple of times to the local gokart track, somewhere I've a funny podium photo as 2nd place behind "the one that shouldn't be named", and for instance I go often with my son to jerk around the track... But (fortunately...) he's not into it as a pro...

And now please stories like driving to the races in a Beetle with the SV car in the trailer and changing the engine from the road to the racing car before qual. and such stuff...!

Right, he lives...and did breed. From the point of Darwin, the whole rivalry is completely decided and truly over.

Senna's bashers and haters pay too much attention to his personality...

Piquet threw punches at Salazar. Piquet called his teammate wife ugly. Piquet called Senna gay (Just like Briatore, the worst person ever). Piquet waited for his son to be fired to open his mouth. Piquet was a cheater in Brabham using a car that would get lighter during the race

Character is something that Piquet doesnt have that much... but Senna's haters doesnt care to that.. but the fact that Senna payed a lot of attention to his image.. wow.. that is unnaceptable.. they prefer the driver that does everything as long as they are not like Senna..

This is pathetic... but they have to attach themselves to this personality issues.. because one thing they will never be able to say: That Piquet was a superior driver to Senna.

And when it is about racers.. it is all that matters... Senna was quicker, faster, more talented, braver, better work-ethic, won more races, got more poles eventhough raced less times.

They are truly said that Senna died while leading a race, being regarded as the best of his generation and driving what was considered to be the best car.

While Piquet had to go away to drive Indy cars because he was being outqualified by his younger teammate in F1...

Haven't seem much of them here...



Ever heard of a guy called Eddie Irvine...? Suzuka rings a bell to you...?



It's simply not true ( for instance she was/is pretty ugly, that's not the point...) because what he said about is: "I like beautyful women, he not..." Is it such an insult...?



No he didn't, he wore a T-Shirt w/ "the fastest Brazilian straight F1 driver" printed on it... And the "Senna gay" rumours were public domain in Brazil in this days...




Not true, he "opened his mouth" a couple of months before his son being fired...




All the non-turbo teams did more or less "cheat" in this times... And the only victory Piquet had driving a proven lighter car has been token away...

So, dear Fabs, a little homework would do you no harm before posting such cr*p here... Don't think so...?

You are a good example



I am not the one who is trying to be moralist, hating on a driver because of his "lack of character" while paradoxally loving another driver who has similar or even more intense personality issues




It is true.. Everyone knows that... he said that Mansell had the 2 ugliest women in F1 (because Mansell had a statue for his wife in his garden).. he said he has a really ugly wife.. and here is the link for an article proving that http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-3880308.html

Oh../ and yeah.. everytime you bring innocent people and people that belong other's people family to the equation.. every time you bring personal issues to this "professional war" you are acting like a moron... You are hitting below the belt... you are being stupid... He could have said Mansell is slow.. but he has no business talking about his family.. and if you think otherwise, I can see you share a lot of Piquet Sr. character (or lack of)




No, he didnt.. he said just before the braziian GP in 1988 that Senna was avoiding the media because he didnt want to explain why he doesnt like women. Another link for you http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/centurys_...enix/index.html. Senna had said he was avoiding the media to give Piquet a chance to appear a little bit and that was Piquet's answer. Piquet even had to deny this in front of a judge. And the explanation of his lawyers were that saying that someone doesnt like women doesnt imply he is gay. Your version is false!





That is his version.. and if he opened his mouth, he didnt make an official petition to FIA until his son was fired. He only went to Paris after to start the procedures after his son was fired. Until then.. nothing..... why?? Why did he only take official measures after his son was fired?




So your excuse is that everyone cheated at the time so he is less of a cheater? And being caught makes him less of a cheater? So I guess Marion Jones is not a big cheater because all her gold medals were taken away...



I think you need a little bit less bias.. dont you think so?

We who are not descending from Brazil, may overlook the Senna-Piquet rivalry on the national basis and experience them in a different way.
Although their careers overlapped, they belonged to different generations (Piquet was 7.5 years older) and I would not make any direct comparisons. Some of us would not necessarily regard Piquet in the light of his comparison/rivalry with Senna but as the best or one of top 2 drivers of the first half of the 1980s.

This is not the place to bash any of those drivers, indeed this is not a place to compare them, I would say. Senna's myth require deep sociological analysis and has little to do with Piquet.

GC

Thanks a lot...



Who tried to be a moralist here...? And BTW "loving" is too much Senna-esque for my taste... May we agree on "liking"...?




I'm not everyone... And anyway prefer to rely on personal experience than some "it's in the I-Net, must be true..." links...




Pretty strange things you're saying here... But the link is good, especially the "Since then, he has made a point of being seen in the company of beautiful women. " bit...Priceless! And SO true...





May I prefer it to yours...?





I don't need an "excuse"... BTW, when I knew the object of your worshiping as a young guy, he was head & shoulders above the other karters... And even so always needed a little not-so-legal "tweak" in his kart... I hope it has changed w/ the passing of the years...





No...

Just another one of the countless inept 'Senna widows' who only know a doctored and distorted version of their tin god's life; a tin god they only know from claqueur websites and video clips.

Piquet is a very honest man.

When Nelson was a teen in Brazil he used to hang around with Roberto Moreno and some others motor afficionados like Fernando Collor, Paulo Octavio and Luis Estevao.
The first one became President and got an impeachment for corruption, the other ones were ellected for the chamber and then prosecuted for robbing from Government.

So if Piquet wanted to...

So Moreno was President...? That's news to me...

My god.. the link is an article published in the Chicago Sun Times from 1988.. the article makes reference to an interview Piquet himself gave to the brazilian playboy magazine saying that Mansell had an ugly wife

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil Nelson Piquet, the reigning Formula One champion, says rival Nigel Mansell knows little about cars, is argumentative and rude, and has "a really ugly wife," in an interview published in the latest Brazilian edition of Playboy.

Are you living in denial or what? Are you telling me both Chicago Sun Times and Playboy (who INTERVIEWED PIQUET) published wrong information and you have the right one?

I am sorry.. but I had the chance to talk to the man himself in 1992.. and I also had the chance to talk to Nelson in 1989 briefly...

What were you saying again?

May I talk about American media reporting about F1? May I send you a couple of scans of the Playboy magazine you're "quoting"...?

Please go to www.ayrtonsennawasthebestcoolestandwhatever.com and let this thread survive... or not!

That I am not impressed by your story.

The temptation to jerk around is big, but since I'm not Piquet I'll let it be... and on my own...

For perspective, I attach herewith a picture of Nigel & Rozanne so our esteemed memebrs can make their own judgement,

So according to you, Piquet never said or suggested Senna was gay.. he only used a t-shirt "fastest straight brazilian driver"

But Folha de São Paulo states differently. Piquet said that to Jornal do Brasil

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/esporte...92u461420.shtml

Fora das pistas, o piloto também viveu situações tensas em 1988. A rusga entre Senna e Piquet começou quando Ayrton disse a um repórter do "Jornal do Brasil" que havia "sumido da imprensa", no início daquele ano, para que Piquet, então tricampeão da F-1, "pudesse aparecer um pouco".

O piloto carioca respondeu, em entrevista ao mesmo jornal, que Senna, na verdade, havia "desaparecido para não ter que explicar à imprensa brasileira por que não gosta de mulher".

So.. how do you explain your really nice alternative version to reality?

Btw, all these posters who are wringing their hands over what nelson said about Nigel's wife seem to be missing the whole point: It wasn't about Rozanne at all, but part of Nelson's phychological war with Nige.

Now, Piquet admitting that he called Mansell's wife ugly

"Quando cheguei na Williams, por exemplo, eu concorria com o piloto inglês da equipe, o Nigel Mansell. Eu queria ganhar, mas tudo o que eu desenvolvia ia para ele. Então armei um plano: dividir a equipe dentro da equipe. Comecei a descobrir as coisas fracas dele, como a mulher feia que ele tinha, e que ele era burro. Criei uma briga com ele e dividimos o time. Aí comecei a desenvolver o meu carro e não o dele. Venci. Essa foi uma das malícias".
Piquet explicando o plano para conquistar o Campeonato de 1987.
- Entrevista para a revista Isto é Gente em 2001

And Piquet admitting he said senna was gay:

Tudo começou por causa de um jornalista do Rio. Ele me mostrou uma declaração do Senna dizendo que tinha sumido da imprensa por seis meses porque queria dar espaço para o Piquet. Aí eu disse que aquilo não era verdade e que ele sumiu porque estava há dois anos e meio na F-1 andando junto com um viado. Eu falei e todos dispararam a escrever no mundo inteiro.


http://www.terra.com.br/istoegente/101/ent...sta/index_2.htm

I know the truth hurts when it is about Piquet... but thank god that Nelson, differently from his blinded fans, can admit what he used to do

LOL LOL

In his early racing career Nigel was racing on a truly zero budget every single penny Rozanne Mansell earned went into supporting Nigel's racing career such was her belief in his ability --- that is due a whole heap of respect !

"Folha" and "Jornal do Brasil" are competing and completely different newspapers... Can you decide between the two and then we talk...?




Utter cr*p... Senna told it to Galvão Bueno, sports "expert" of TV Globo (who never had to do w/ the printed media, since analphabets... must I explain it really?) Please google (since you seem to like it...) for my sig and than you'll get the real version. Or not...



Which pretty much means "Senna has disappeared, so he don't has to explain to the press why he don't likes women..." IMO a respectful answer from a 2x WDC when asked about being badmouthed by a (at this given time...) very cocky no-WDC, who always had a "wee bit gay" reputation...

And now please go worship somewhere else...

In your opinion a respectful answer?? And you changed it from "he never said it, he only used a t-shirt" to "it was a very respectful answer from Piquet"

Talk about worshipping... LOL

Why dont you show me the real version instead of telling me to google? The real version is in Folha de São Paulo. Piquet declared the real version to Istoé Gente (shown above).. All versions are crap.. so can you show me the real version?

I gave you many links, sources and even interviews from Nelson himself admitting he did it... and you... tell me to google the real version...

Are you the old man that used to live and go out with Nelsinho? Are you Nelson Sr's lawyer? who are you?

Nelson admitted it.. His interview is ONLINE.. he said it was a journalist from Rio.. ... you lost.. go away... you can live in your alternative world.. but stop misinforming people from this forum with your lies.

I was a Piquet fan first- he was good looking and an awesome driver. Later I prefered Senna. Regarding Mansell wife (a very nice lady I think, not a glamouros-type but I'm pretty sure a much better wife than a top-modell pussycat), and the T-shirt case: somehow these are so very typically part of that era- these psycho wars. Strange that it has stopped now- all drivers pretend that they are all friendly to each other (most of the times ). I remember Senna, Mansell and Prost sending far-from-friendly messages to each other- compared to that Hamilton's "balls" comment was nothing at all

I've always loved this picture of Piquet and Moreno:



Going incognito:

First of all Fabs,
Please use capital letters when referring to Him.
Today is Sunday.

Secondly, its not a sim to tell the truth.