he didn't obey marshall's orders to leave the track

I'd say Kobayashi, Heidfeld and Buemi have better chance of racing seat in F1 next season than Jarno Trulli.

I voted 50/50 but after looking at this, I have to say it's 100% Trulli fault. Jarno probably thought Adrian was more to the right than he actually was. He's under big pressure now with no decent seat for next year so no wonder he reacted so aggressively.

I'd like to see the onboard from Jarno's car though.

It's Sutil's fault.

The camera shots being shown are *after* what needs to be seen.

Going into the turn Sutil had to lift because of Raikonnen. At that point Trulli was overtaking on the outside. There was a good speed difference, Jarno was easily going around. Sutil chose to go wide; Jarno was flat, Sutil was not. Jarno had nowhere to go.

*The incident started before the pictures being shown*, and you have to consider the speed differential involved. When Jarno was alongside he was passing Sutil, but Sutil chose to "race" him from a slower speed - which meant he decided to run wide, not leaving Jarno (going faster) anywhere to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcBN3jV-GGY

Trulli could have chosen to not try to overtake on the outside. Or he could've just lifted the throttle - to me it looks like his right wheel touches grass, car swerves right, he tries correct but is overdoing it and subsequently loses control. Just my 0.02€ of course. Would love to see a Trulli onboard, but there was none on the world feed.

yes and Sutil said he never saw him, probably looking at his left mirror instead of the right mirror as it seems he had no idea anyone was on his right side.

Your 0.02€ and I'll add my 2p to that. Trulli is a good qualifier (usually...) but his racecraft has always left a lot to be desired. Time to p!ss off to DTM Jarno.

Okay, that is more understandable - but I still think a hefty fine is a bit of an overreaction. Did something come out of Vettels car abandonment after quali?

So it was nothing to do with being physically agressive with Adrian then?

that one is a clean 50-50, or race incident if you like. check the onboard footage of sutil directly before the incident. both of them could have evaded it: if sutil goes through with the overtake he could have started on kimi (check the footage), that is why sutil steps hard on the brakes, he aborts an overtake on kimi wich he could have gone through with easily, since kimi has given him room on the inside, and gets back behind kimi on the same line from the inside, totally ignoring trulli beside him, because he had not noticed him, since he was concentrating on the aborted overtake manoevre. kimi was slow because of his damaged front wing. trulli was ignorant too, because he totally miscalculated what sutil was doing, he was only concentrating on his own manoevre, smelling blood, although i cannot imagine what the f...k he had in mind, since kimis car was directly in front of sutil's, if sutil had let him through, he would've been foced over the kurb by kimi instead. typically one-track brains, both of them, which is a big fault for a F1 driver imho.

Interesting reading these comments. I tend to agree with the old guys around here - Sutil needs more seasoning. Trulli had the run into, through, and out of the turn because Sutil jammed himself behind Kimi. Sutil responded like a F3 or GP2 driver. Block inside, block outside. Block, block, block. Same thing with Kayboshi (sp?) in the other Toyota.

The cars are so strong and driver safety so good these days - a wonderful thing - that younger drivers rarely suffer from the habit of the chop and block. It becomes part of their tactics and technique. Years ago the tracks were far too dangerous.

Trullitrain 100% his fault and then to blame Sutil? What a .....

@Trulli, please leave F1.

I'm puzzled by some comments, it almost sound like Trulli was lapping Sutil. It was a fight for position and Sutil had the car in front, was on the racing line and still gave Trulli enough room and (I say it again) wasn't remotely close to pushing him off track which would put the blame on his side indeed. Trulli put the car entirely on the kerbs all on his own and then went too wide and put the right wheels on the grass, all on his own again. Only thing Sutil could have done to avoid accident is to pull to the left site of the track completely and maybe lift a bit just to let Trulli pass (and while i'm at it: maybe quickly jump out of the car and lay red on the track carpet for Jarno, since he is being very nice anyway) but there wasn't a single reason for him to do it.

+1 Spot on sir!

But then you clearly have a true understanding of racing principle that the majority of drivers would have and that is... at NO POINT, was Trulli ahead of Sutil and therefore the responsibility was ALL Trulli's to lift. The Toyota was in a straight line on the rumble strips (As the FIA describes in sporting regulations as....."OFF COURSE"!!!!, whereby ALL FOUR WHEELS ARE OFF THE RACETRACK, the curbs are NOT considered the race track), Sutil gave him room and yet he "Trulli" kept his foot in and when the rumble strips finished he hits grass and sure enough the right rear spins up, rotates him left and he spears Sutil's car...

Not ever, in a million years, is this a 50/50 racing incident.

If anyone feels Trulli's actions were perfectly acceptable, please god, do not allow them ever to get behind the wheel of a race car. Supermarket car parks are much safer for them.

Trulli was "off course" and thefore has the sporting regulation obligation to return to the track in a safe manner that does not hinder any other driver. It is NO different to short cutting a chicane.

I dont believe driver induced action, causing a spin and impaling another race car could ever be considered returning to the track in a safe manner......

trulli forgot hockenheim 2003 with ms i guess

He's still bleating!

he's a complete moron

I wouldn't go that far...come on, they're men, not girls....they had a small argument,but that's it

Not only did Sutil run Trulli off the track, afterwards he also run Alonso off. Sutil had left the track and should therefore wait until the track is clear before rejoining. This is clearly seen at 0:55 in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcBN3jV-GGY

Stubborn Sutil defenders might argue that his car had no wheels and was therefore difficult to control, but that is just excuses.

he wanted to wait but his car flying backwards across the grass had a different opinion

Trulli on the accident, full version.

Didnt Alonso say that it wasnt Sutils fault to Spanish media? Help me out Spaniards

I actually expected some Piquet vs Salazar -like action when Trulli ran up to Sutil...

Yes, he did, but referring to Sutil's collision with Alonso, not Trulli. Alonso said, soon after the crash something like: "Poor Sutil couldn't do anything, he was even coming backwards!"

Brilliant

Well that looked like a girls fight

absolutely. dumb and dumber.

Am I the only one to hear Windsor's interview with Trulli during the race? Trulli said he saw that Sutil had to abruptly brake to avoid Raikkonen, so Trulli jerked to the outside of Sutil going around the corner. As the Speed announcers said, Sutil would have been watching Raikkonen as he tried to keep from hitting him; Sutil would have no way of even knowing that Trulling was off his outside (right) shoulder in said left hand corner. This one's all on Trulli. The following car has to avoid the one in front- as Sutil avoided Raikkonen, and Trulli did not avoid Sutil.

I just wanted to see Sutil run away with his trademark camp run.

problem is he completely misunderstood the scene in front of him, kimi would have let sutil past at the corner, because he was dangerously slow because of his broken front wing, so he took the outside line, and gave sutil room to pass. but sutil chose to brake heavily on instead, to go after him or behind him, if you want, on the same outside line. by that time, trulli was beside him, and since he (sutil) has not noticed him, he did not give trulli room, although i say again, i don't know what trulli wanted really, because he would have been forced off anyway by kimi, because he was directly in front of sutil. so trulli said his interpretation in the interview. sutil was dumb, and trulli was dumber. and they took out alonso in the process....

It's called a race. Otherwise they could just settle into a train. I can't really blame Trulli for going for it. But in the end it was Trulli who lost control, giving too much throttle over the kerb.

i blame him for everything after the crash.
his Q&A is stupid, or he considers everybody stupid. he tried to go for it...but blaming sutil for the accident is dumb
grow up jarno

Wrong. Sutil, (who let's not forget has been involved in more "incidents" than he has finished races), was alongside Jarno whilst going slower due to Kimi. He had the choice, either adhear to the rules and let Jarno past (as he was ahead), or suicidally push him onto the grass, destroying his, Jarno's and Fernando's race.

He chose the latter, and if he would have not done this, could have passed Jarno later in the race.

Sutil is a liability, and shouldn't be in F1. Let him weave and hamper other drivers in formula ford, but he shouldn't be in F1. There is little wonder that Lewis want's him as a team mate. He could have a team mate that is not only slower, but also takes out half the field with him.

Sorry but at no point was Trulli ahead...

More importantly he disregarded the recognised rule of being "off course". Trulli knew the risk by keeping his foot in and for that he made a deliberate choice. Sutil didnt have to give him anything because A: he was on the racetrack and B: was ahead and doing what Jarno should have done and lifted to avoid hitting Kimi.

There is not a motorsport council in the world that would place the blame for that incident at Sutil's door.

in what movie? surely not in the real race..

His front wheel was ahead of Sutil's. Sutil took the outside line, then the inside.

Any idiot driver would know that what he did was suicidal.

TBH, I think that even any of the current GP2 drivers would have not crashed.

Sutil has shown time and time again that he is dangerous. He is not worthy of an F1 drive, and is basically a crash sign.

Maybe that is what he wants. Other drivers to not try to overtake him because he is such a kamikaze driver.

Whatever, Sutil should have his super license revoked.

It's Sutil's fault.
He swing his tail too much.

I agree, except I voted 50/50 and still think that. Sutil sounded like he was in the wrong gear behind Raikkonen, after a delay it sounds like he changes down. Either way, Trulli clearly has a big speed advantage into that bend, and his line is taking him around the outside of Sutil. Sutil takes the normal line, Trulli doesnt give up as he is forced to go wider and there you have it.... classic racing incedent for me.

However, Trulli's reaction is a purly down to the pressure of a driver fighting for his future in a team. He had high hopes for the race, thats why he kept it pinned to pass Sutil, thats why he was so annoyed to be out. Not an unusual or particularly shocking reaction.

Well, I don`t think trulli is 100% right but nor are his detractors. Sutil totally slowed down and to a point where he was in a lower gear than his car speed and the clouch just had to jump in, because he was so late accelerating out of the corner.

Even if he did not see trulli, he should have some idea. ` hey, I almost parked my car in the midle of the straight` problably someone from behind is coming along side me` Trulli didn`t have that many options he basically saw Sutil`s car almost parked out of the corner and went along side. And Sutil acted like almost nothing happened and kept his line. When he would have done better stayed on the inside line. He was nearly 100 Km of the pace on that `stright corner`

Another thing to take in consideration is that Sutil is involved in so many incidents. Is almost liek Coulthard last year, at some point is not all external factors only.

Sutil is fast becoming Sato v2 lately.

FIA: Appendix L to the International Sporting Code

c) curves, as well as the approach and exit zones thereof, may be
negotiated by the drivers in any way they wish, within the limits of
the track. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be
done either on the right or on the left.
However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers such as
premature changes of direction, more than one change of
direction, deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the
outside of the curve or any other abnormal change of direction,
are strictly prohibited and shall be penalised, according to the
importance and repetition of the offences, by penalties ranging
from a fine to the exclusion from the race. The repetition of
dangerous driving, even involuntary, may result in the exclusion
from the race.



No doubt the crash was Sutil's fault as Trulli who is alongside and in an overtaking situation is crowded to the outside and off the track, but all Sutil has to do is say he didn't see him as then it was not deliberate and can not be punished according to the rule. Brilliant really.

Seriously, you go through all the effort to search for the relevant part in the rules, to make screenshots, upload them, just to prove yourself wrong?

Look at the space Trulli is been given by Sutil, deliberate or not. When was the last time you saw anyone give that much space to someone at the outside? 1954?

Sutil gives Trulli a lot more room than Webber gave Raikkonen.

Thank goodness someone had the good sense to upload the screen shots to prove Sutil innocent.

What makes you think I had to search for the rule, and what makes you think it was an effort to make shots and upload? And why would you even comment on it?

By your statement that enough room was given here, it is obvious you have no idea of the rules or you would have known that they define the track as the area between the white lines.
But yet without the most basic understanding of the rules, you spout in a ruling discussion so it is pretty clear you are the one who should make some effort.

So according to the rules (your fanboy opinion doesn't matter), when someone is forced off the track, that is not what is understood as giving enough room. It is what is obviously crowding according to the rules.

Here, notice the white line? That is acutally the track boundary. Now explain how that could be constituted as enough room given to Trulli. Go on.

You remember that Trulli was fined €10000 for trying to failing to realize he had made a mistake.

Jarno was in the wrong for me. It was difficult to tell from on-board. Once the higher angle was shown I thought Jarno misjudged the move.

Alonso didn´t see anything from his position, he said Sutil was innocent because he was very grateful to him. The accident was the best thing could happen to Alonso considering the performance of the R29 (didn´t you see Grosjean?). It would have been sad to see a double world champion racing 70 laps in that f..... dog.

You don't think Alonso was in a position to see Sutil wipe him out?

I guess he thought you had to research the rule as the one you used was actually OUT OF DATE!

I encourage you to review the REVISED sporting code and make note of the changes, displayed in pink!
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/2...09_09.07.20.pdf

The TWO key sections to note are;
Section IV - CODE OF DRIVING CONDUCT ON CIRCUITS
Paragraph 2b and 2c

I'll quote and have highlighted in BOLD the key areas of relevance to this arguement:


First and foremost, Sutil had to react to the actions of another driver (Kimi) who frankly should have pulled to the side a lot faster than he did with a clearly damaged car.

Secondly, there is arguement that Sutil crowded Trulli out. If you look clearly at the first pictures, Trulli is clearly "offline" on the outside of the corner in a position that is not considered an overtaking spot and at no point is he considered ahead, when he does not hold the rightful line to the corner. It is also clearly shown that at no point, does Sutil bang wheels with or even touch Trulli's wheels and therefore "crowding" is almost impossible to prove. If you are then trying to assert that a driver that goes "offline" to achieve a wildly optimistic overtake, should be given the benefit of the doubt, then you seriously do not understand the principles by which every racing driver trys to adhere to.
You also mention that Trulli had the momentum around the outside and therefore should have been allowed to take the corner. Again....not even vaguely true. Unless Sutil had a hidden boost button having lifted to avoid Kimi, how on earth if Trulli had greater momentum, does Sutil then maintain position alongside Trulli? The fact is, Trulli did not have the momentum discussed and was not only using the dirty edge of the track BUT CHOSE to run the length of the curbs...which leads me to the next point...

Thirdly.... paragraph 2c clearly states that NO COMPETITOR may use the curbs for whatever reason... not any sensible 'judge of fact' will say...."well he ran out of room so he was entitled to run the curbs". USE the curb to avoid going off yes... USE them to continue to try to gain advantage HELL NO.
HOWEVER and this is the guilty verdict for Trulli.... if having left the track which he did, he is entitled to rejoin ONLY WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO AND NOT FOR AN ADVANTAGE!!!!
So no he cannot use the curbs to gain advantage, NO he cannot then having gone off, continue at race speed with foot in along the curbs as this is considered "offcourse" and NO he may not continue to try to gain advantage by keeping his foot in...which then when he ran out of curb, hit grass, spinning the car INTO another competitor!!!!!!!

IN SHORT..............
Some might try to argue that Sutil crowded Trulli out. Fair enough that may be arguemet to be decided by the race stewards upon appeal by the team, but in my personal opinion, as there was no contact, would be extremely hard to prove.

THE BLAME for the "ACCIDENT", has no place other than at Trulli's door. For whatever reason he ran onto the curbs... HE CHOSE to keep the throttle buried, when he should have lifted, rejoined behind Sutil and made an immediate complaint over the radio for crowding to the race stewards. By doing this, both he, Sutil and Alonso (a complete bystander in this) would have still been racing and the world championship may have had a different result for that day!!!

Instead...HE (Trulli) made the only DANGEROUS decision by keeping his foot in, in a clear dose of rage, that endangered himself and those drivers around him.

FACTS cannot be twisted...yes he may feel aggrieved, but he should have lifted...he didnt and HE caused the accident when he lost control of HIS car hitting another competitor rightly positioned on the track.

As I said before, if anyone does not understand this, that is fine, but please do not ever go on a race track as you do not understand the basic principles of risk and danger to your fellow competitors.

EVERYONE of us will fight for the last second, but acts of gross stupidity, deserve appropriate action and that is something for the FIA to look into not with Sutil (on this occasion) but with Trulli!

It was an idiot long shot move to begin with, followed by an even more idiotic decision mid event, followed by EVEN more idiotic behaviour out of the car.

Trulli = Guilty! Period.