Hard core Webber fan here as well and I'd agree with Alfisti in principle. Webber's not quite there with the Alonso/Hamilton/Kimi crowd on pure talent. One thing I will say, however, is that Mark does put in the hard yards to make up for as much of the lack of talent as he can. Kimi lacks in application, Alonso suffers from primadonna syndrome, and Hamilton is too early to tell just yet. Schumacher was the complete package of both supreme talent and mega application/discipline.

Things that have been said about Mark through the years is that he seems to be close to a Schumacher in the application side of things (barring his first year at Williams). Not quite there, but close enough given MS was a once-in-20-years type driver. Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi - and I think Vettel so far as well - are talent drivers. Any one of those actually shows themselves to be at least as good as Mark on application and they beat Mark. Slack off and they get beaten. That's what we've seen this year at RBR. The races where Vettel has been on it all weekend, Mark's not been able to quite match him. Races where Vettel's been off and Mark's been the one who comes up tops.

Mark got to P2 in the championship mid-season on the back of a extremely good run of very consistent and fast weekends while everyone else around him was throwing points away (eg Vettel at Monaco). That bad run of races with a series of problems shouldn't take away from that, given it was due in most part to external factors. The car went off for a few races, and that coincided with reliability concerns with the Renault on the back of Vettel's issues, coincided with his pit crew having brain farts two races running, coincided with a banzai Kubica ... and coincided with Mark getting a bit frustrated and going slightly off form.

That's Mark's weakness. If frustration sets in he goes off the boil and loses that application edge he has over the talent drivers.

Because anyone who's been on the RBR thread or the Webber V Vettel thread will have seen my contribution over the opast 12 months and that I am a hard core webber fan. I don't need to repeat it all or have some turkey try and tell me he's a top 3 driver ... he's not. Period.

How dare Webber get run into by Kimi then go on to win I say!!



Kimi hit him before he ever got to the grass.. from behind.

Calling it a cheating win is pathetic. An unfortunate racing incident yes.

Hard core Webber fan here as well and I'd agree with Alfisti in principle. Webber's not quite there with the Alonso/Hamilton/Kimi crowd on pure talent. One thing I will say, however, is that Mark does put in the hard yards to make up for as much of the lack of talent as he can. Kimi lacks in application, Alonso suffers from primadonna syndrome, and Hamilton is too early to tell just yet. Schumacher was the complete package of both supreme talent and mega application/discipline.

Things that have been said about Mark through the years is that he seems to be close to a Schumacher in the application side of things (barring his first year at Williams). Not quite there, but close enough given MS was a once-in-20-years type driver. Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi - and I think Vettel so far as well - are talent drivers. Any one of those actually shows themselves to be at least as good as Mark on application and they beat Mark. Slack off and they get beaten. That's what we've seen this year at RBR. The races where Vettel has been on it all weekend, Mark's not been able to quite match him. Races where Vettel's been off and Mark's been the one who comes up tops.

Mark got to P2 in the championship mid-season on the back of a extremely good run of very consistent and fast weekends while everyone else around him was throwing points away (eg Vettel at Monaco). That bad run of races with a series of problems shouldn't take away from that, given it was due in most part to external factors. The car went off for a few races, and that coincided with reliability concerns with the Renault on the back of Vettel's issues, coincided with his pit crew having brain farts two races running, coincided with a banzai Kubica ... and coincided with Mark getting a bit frustrated and going slightly off form.

That's Mark's weakness. If frustration sets in he goes off the boil and loses that application edge he has over the talent drivers.

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How dare Webber get run into by Kimi then go on to win I say!!



Kimi hit him before he ever got to the grass.. from behind.

Calling it a cheating win is pathetic. An unfortunate racing incident yes.

Dont point that out to a Hamilton fanboy.... He wins a race and some people claim he is the best ever. I see promise in young Hamilton, reminds me of a young Villenueve. Both going bald at a young age and with a good first couple of seasons under their belt. i would have loved to race against him. Would have been fun to see him in my rear view mirrors for 300km.

You surely must be kidding; this is unbeliveable.

Serves Kimi right for being asleep on the racing line in Q3 at Silverstone.

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Hard core Webber fan here as well and I'd agree with Alfisti in principle. Webber's not quite there with the Alonso/Hamilton/Kimi crowd on pure talent. One thing I will say, however, is that Mark does put in the hard yards to make up for as much of the lack of talent as he can. Kimi lacks in application, Alonso suffers from primadonna syndrome, and Hamilton is too early to tell just yet. Schumacher was the complete package of both supreme talent and mega application/discipline.

Things that have been said about Mark through the years is that he seems to be close to a Schumacher in the application side of things (barring his first year at Williams). Not quite there, but close enough given MS was a once-in-20-years type driver. Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi - and I think Vettel so far as well - are talent drivers. Any one of those actually shows themselves to be at least as good as Mark on application and they beat Mark. Slack off and they get beaten. That's what we've seen this year at RBR. The races where Vettel has been on it all weekend, Mark's not been able to quite match him. Races where Vettel's been off and Mark's been the one who comes up tops.

Mark got to P2 in the championship mid-season on the back of a extremely good run of very consistent and fast weekends while everyone else around him was throwing points away (eg Vettel at Monaco). That bad run of races with a series of problems shouldn't take away from that, given it was due in most part to external factors. The car went off for a few races, and that coincided with reliability concerns with the Renault on the back of Vettel's issues, coincided with his pit crew having brain farts two races running, coincided with a banzai Kubica ... and coincided with Mark getting a bit frustrated and going slightly off form.

That's Mark's weakness. If frustration sets in he goes off the boil and loses that application edge he has over the talent drivers.

Hard core Webber fan here as well and I'd agree with Alfisti in principle. Webber's not quite there with the Alonso/Hamilton/Kimi crowd on pure talent. One thing I will say, however, is that Mark does put in the hard yards to make up for as much of the lack of talent as he can. Kimi lacks in application, Alonso suffers from primadonna syndrome, and Hamilton is too early to tell just yet. Schumacher was the complete package of both supreme talent and mega application/discipline.

Things that have been said about Mark through the years is that he seems to be close to a Schumacher in the application side of things (barring his first year at Williams). Not quite there, but close enough given MS was a once-in-20-years type driver. Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi - and I think Vettel so far as well - are talent drivers. Any one of those actually shows themselves to be at least as good as Mark on application and they beat Mark. Slack off and they get beaten. That's what we've seen this year at RBR. The races where Vettel has been on it all weekend, Mark's not been able to quite match him. Races where Vettel's been off and Mark's been the one who comes up tops.

Mark got to P2 in the championship mid-season on the back of a extremely good run of very consistent and fast weekends while everyone else around him was throwing points away (eg Vettel at Monaco). That bad run of races with a series of problems shouldn't take away from that, given it was due in most part to external factors. The car went off for a few races, and that coincided with reliability concerns with the Renault on the back of Vettel's issues, coincided with his pit crew having brain farts two races running, coincided with a banzai Kubica ... and coincided with Mark getting a bit frustrated and going slightly off form.

That's Mark's weakness. If frustration sets in he goes off the boil and loses that application edge he has over the talent drivers.

As i said, i don't like it, don't like it at all. But if he doesn't chop him he likely loses the race to kubica .... so chop away if you have to.

As i said, i don't like it, don't like it at all. But if he doesn't chop him he likely loses the race to kubica .... so chop away if you have to.

Why, I thought he pitted after not before Robert and would have had a number of laps free of Räikkönen before stopping.