See this I dont get: was Mark's 'move' to the middle of the track really what you'd call a 'move'? It was very slow and meandering, like he kinda drifted to the centre of the track as he left T3 so that he then had the ability to properly cover whichever way Kimi was gonna try.

Mark was late reacting when the move came - I suspect he was looking in the other mirror when Kimi made his move and then made a snap reaction when he saw Kimi on the other side.

agreed.

While good drive from Webber overall that was the third or fourth time this year a clear case of 'over aggressive move sideways to defend' driving in the same manner. He deserves the title of dirty driver this year.

Move to the middle? Have you guys never watched a race in Interlagos? The middle of the track is the racing line on the backstraight. Kimi drove into the back of Mark there. It was unfortunate for Kimi, that he lost his wing, but what are you raging fanboys expecting? Shall everyone just move aside when someone else is creeping up from behind with more momentum? It's frigging racing. If you want to overtake you have to find a way around the other guy, not drive into him. He could have easily sliced Mark's tire there like Lewis did with Rubens. Did anyone here blame Ruebns for that? I didn't see you flaming him...

FFS some people are really daft in these forums...

LMAO at the Kimi fanboys going nuts over this incident. I mean, COME ON! How many questionable moves has Kimi gotten away with in the past? Taking about a half dozen spots at the start of the Spa race with an illegal *unpunished* move is just the start!

FYI Webber was the victim of an almost identical move by Hamilton at the Italian GP I think in 2007. Hamilton didn't get a sanction either, and I think Mark learnt quite a bit from that.

It's not like Kimi going round the runoff at La Source because Kimi didn't hit anyone, and it's not like Lewis at Monza because Lewis moved earlier and he knew the speed difference was small so they wouldn't collide.

When Webbo said in the PC "I did what I had to do" and about Kimi using kers and coming with huge speed he's telling us he knew it was a late block, but in his mind it was justified by kers and 'necessity'.

Not same
1/ you can move ONCE, webber moved twice
2/ Webber pushed Kimi all the way out on the grass at 300kmh

Webber

Mark didn't hit anyone either.

Kimi hit Mark.

Mark made only one defensive move and if Kimi was too committed, or too slow to react, that's his problem.

Seriously, - if F1 is too tough for some of you, perhaps you be happier following synchronised swimming instead...

Webber unstoppable, even from the slow reacting Kimi.

Not really Mkay, cos he had a chance to confront Hamilton at the GPDA meeting Mkay, but he and the other drivers quit bitching and shut their mouths once they actually had a chance to say something to Hamilton's face Mkay ;)

He's a good driver, and fun to listen too, but he is most definitely, a hypocrite.
Besides, Lewis wasn't a rookie by this stage, Webber was just a little miffed methinks.

webber surely won't be there, his reaction yesterday was slower than my grandmas

ad 1: it's EXACTLY the same in this regard. First Schumacher drifts to the center of the track when exiting t3, then moves to block the inside line for t4

ad 2: Kimi hit Webber from behind when he still had half a car's width to the left and only went to the grass after the contact

It's interesting that I actually believe Webber's move was far from clean and deserved at least an investigation, but if you are comparing two different moves these two are as close as they can be.

Webber/Kimi incident reminded me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCSfZ73xK84

Yeah, it was great how he drove Raikkonen off the road there - doesn't he have something to do the the GPDA?... Kobayashi probably saw that and said "hey"...

Yet despite the fact that he only had his mirrors for identifying and reacting to the threat, he reacted much faster than Kimi, who (with full forward vision) still drove into the back of Marks' car!

Maybe you should get your Grandma to give Kimi a few pointers on reacting?

Kimi had already hit Mark from behind before he went off road. His excursion was his own choice.

Perhaps Kimi should have been paying attention?

That's miles before the braking zone, Webber can take whatever line he likes. Contrast with Kobayashi who was both terribly slow and appallingly aggressive.

Great race from Webber, it's a shame the response from the crowd sounded so flat.

Kimi was trying to pass (not allowed, I guess)... He was expecting some room on the race track (not allowed, I guess) and Webber took it away at the last second. If Webber wants to block, then he needs to learn how to do it better...

As Orin has already pointed out, Mark was in front and can take whatever line he likes.

They weren't in the braking zone and Mark only moved once.

It's Kimi that needs to learn to do it better!

Incidentally, what has Kimi said about the incident? Is he upset, or is it just his fans who are sobbing inconsolably?

It's nothing to do with being tough, macho, hard, or any of that cr*p. Any fool can arrange a collision there's nothing clever about it. Kimi committed to the move with a lot of extra speed, Webbo saw that and moved to block, knowing he was late but doing it anyway.

If that kind of blocking is allowed, there will be less overtaking, that's the problem.

Two Wins now Robert Walls!!

Don't agree.

You're allowed to move to block, Webber moved across to block, meanwhile kimi continued to come at him. Racing incident IMO.

A stunning well thought out argument.

To the person who said that the driving line is in the middle of the road on the back straight; it's not. The driving line is on the right side of the track. Mark moved to the middle (it was slow, but it was a move) , then made another move. Isn't it in the driver code that one can make only one defensive move?

Webbers win was ruined by his hypocritical behaviour on track
First to whine when someone makes a move on him. Then he goes and pulls off an even more dangerous move on Raikkonen himself. What a knob.
And the reason why Raikkonens frontwing got broken was because Mark moved - again, which is not allowed, to the left into Kimis wing.

I already made my argument. It was Webber's fault.

It's racing. Gaps open, gaps close.

If Webber really was too late with the (quite legitimate) defence of his position, Kimi would have been along side and the collision would have been wheel to wheel.

I guess the fact that Kimi drove into the back of Mark's rear wheel sort of supports your statement: "Any fool can arrange a collision there's nothing clever about it".

It's just that the fool in this instance would seem to be Kimi.

Personally, I don't think he is a fool. He went for a gap that closed and a racing incident ensued. It happens. Get over it. I'm sure he has.

So, we can thank Webber for "saving" what would have been a serious accident?

I think Kimi assumed Webber wouldn't make another blocking move. Maybe he's a fool for that?

There was a big closing speed. That's where the timing of the move comes in.

I hate that cheap "get over it". YOU get over it, if you don't want to have a sensible discussion about it but just strike attitudes.

Nice song by the eagles though.

He adopted a line down the straight, then moved once and only once to cover his position. Please refer me to the clause in the regulations that prohibits the driver in front doing so. (I'll take failure to provide this link as an admission that you're really not qualified to post on this board...)

Furthermore, the video clearly shows that Kimi drove into Mark's rear wheel, not the other way around.

So, - who's the knob?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Cant believe the fools on here whining about some good tough racing. We finally get some good on track action and the Ninnys on here want to whine, whine, whine.

Not fan of either driver but it was a racing incident nothing more. Good to see some fighting for position instead of a prosessional borefest.

Well it does not come naturally to all of us....

Oh dear, you're upset aren't you?

Never mind. You'll get over it...

If there was a big closing speed involved, then the move was risky. Kimi must have known Mark would defend his position, - but he chose to take that risk anyway. In this instance it didn't pay off.

I've had the door slammed in my face on many occasions while going for a gap, but it's the right of the driver in front to defend his position. If you're going to go for the pass, you have to be ready to get off it if the gap closes.

Kimi didn't. End of story. A racing incident.

I stated my opinion and I'm sticking to it... We all know that blocking is a normal part of F1, but if a driver is going to block then do it right. Defend your position before the following driver gets there. not as he gets there. Webber obviously needs more practice at this...

He moves over to block and when he sees Kimi is about to pass him then he makes a quicker jerk to the left forcing Kimi onto the grass. That may not technically be moving twice, but its a damn dangerous move.

It's not so much that, it's just that I for one perfer to watch racing, you know the sort of racing where there is overtaking rather than processions where every now and then we can watch the excitement of someone limping back to the pits with there front wing hanging off because some idiot thought it was a good idea to swing his car across the track dangeriously to prevent being overtaken by a faster car.

If you like that sort of action perhaps you should go watch the bumper cars at the fare you'll love the action.

Webbo made an unfair move, because he was late with it. Deal with it. Get used to it. Stop crying about it.

Are you sure?

I dont mind seeing contact between cars if it was a racing incident which this clearly was. This was the best race of the season for overtaking. Great race yet we have to have a whine about it as well.

Woah, all of you whiners should maybe go shop some season reviews from the past. I can't believe how hypocritical, whiney, bitchy the F1 "fans" have become during the last decade. Imho you have no clue what racing once was like. Todays drivers are actually driving like innocent sheep compared to the past. And that's for a big part because of "fans" like you. Disgusting...

God, I can't believe an excellent win for Mark Webber has been reduced to a slanging match about one move on the first lap.

Move on people, he drove a great race.

webber's post race comments clearly suggest he knows that fulfilled the 3rd criteria atleat..he was of the opinion ''i knew that had to be done''

if yer going to allow drivers to weave like that on a straight over such a distance,how willa car from behind ever overtake..not to forget the safety issues involved

I think it's a normal reaction from people in general. Something unfair happens, and they kind of "protest".

Giuseppe Farina...

I don't like Webber's move on Räikkönen, but on the other hand that's racing and think Kimi would have done exactly the same. Still I have to say that Mark was late with that block. Kimi was gaining fast with his kers and for him there was no way of avoiding the collision once Mark decided to block. But it's just better that the stewarts let them race once again. Of course dangerous moves should be penalized, but the gap between brave and dangerous is almost nonexistent. Good racing still. At least there are drivers who still want to fight for their positions.