Architrion
Oct 18 2009, 21:53
OK, Let's start the conspiracy discussion.
1. Rubinho is out of BrawnGP next season, so if he would have clinched the title it would have gone away to other team.
2. How on earth can anyone be so fast on his first stint and then drive like a turtle in the second stint????? Maybe some underpressured tyres?
3. British sport for the british drivers.... Hamilton helps Jenson with a perfect puncture of Rubinhos tyre?
4. Who is the worthier driver for advertisers? I believe that Jenson.... In fact, you only have to ask women.....
Conclusion...
There's something more within BrawnGP, Jenson Button and his World Championships.....
Disclaimer.... Not a fan of Robinho, nor Jenson, nor Hamilton, nor Alonso. Just a F1 fan. Fanboys of any color, be careful.
mclarensmps
Oct 18 2009, 21:54
lol
Seriously...ANOTHER conspiracy?
werks prototype
Oct 18 2009, 22:01
I blame Alonso.
se7en_24
Oct 18 2009, 22:02
Hamilton helped Jenson by forcing Rubens to drive into him?
werks prototype
Oct 18 2009, 22:04
QUOTE (se7en_24 @ Oct 18 2009, 23:02)

Hamilton helped Jenson by forcing Rubens to drive into him?

Didn't Rubens apologise to Hamilton?
Tenmantaylor
Oct 18 2009, 22:06
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 22:53)

3. British sport for the british drivers....
Ha.
Its an English sport really. Not many Welsh, Scottish or N.Irish teams in F1 history. Jenson is only the 4th English Champion in the 33 years since Hunt won it in 1976. Thats a pretty poor conversion rate for a sport run by the English ay?
Slartibartfast
Oct 18 2009, 22:06
It was really devious of Rubens to nick what should have been Button's tyres for Q2. He should have known Ross Brawn would find a way round it.
scheivlak
Oct 18 2009, 22:06
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 22:53)

4. Who is the worthier driver for advertisers? I believe that Jenson.... In fact, you only have to ask women.....
Of course, the target audience for F1 advertising
How stupid of Brawn BTW to let this happen in a race where they had an additional Brazilian sponsor
blackgerby
Oct 18 2009, 22:11
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 22:53)

4. Who is the worthier driver for advertisers? I believe that Jenson.... In fact, you only have to ask women.....
As a woman, I can say that Rubens is by far the more attractive.
So you are 0 for 4.
pippin
Oct 18 2009, 22:17
As a woman I'd say Jenson is more attractive. So
Just waiting
Oct 18 2009, 22:17
his middle stints have generally been bad, losing places, and never clear why.
driver, poor pit stop timing or what ?
in the races, button gains positions through the stops and rubens loses.
Of course my theory was that brawn would never ever let a driver leave with the wdc under his arm...said it 7 races ago
dexter311
Oct 18 2009, 22:18
Time to don the tinfoil hats...
Architrion
Oct 18 2009, 22:18
Some tabloid is written Jenson "the playboy"....
Birelman
Oct 18 2009, 22:20
LOL did Rubens start this thread himself?
tifosi
Oct 18 2009, 22:22
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Oct 18 2009, 15:04)

Didn't Rubens apologise to Hamilton?
See, Reuban's is so clueless he didn't even realize the conspiracy against him.
Architrion
Oct 18 2009, 22:23
In fact, I had a hell of a depression seeing the Jenson world champion when it came to my mind this idea!!!!
wewantourdarbyback
Oct 18 2009, 22:25
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Oct 18 2009, 23:01)

I blame Alonso.
Case closed.
Pharazon
Oct 18 2009, 22:27
flavio's fault
Brawn BGP 001
Oct 18 2009, 22:27
QUOTE (tifosi @ Oct 18 2009, 23:22)

See, Reuban's is so clueless he didn't even realize the conspiracy against him.

You would think he'd know.
pippin
Oct 18 2009, 22:29
This thread is just what I expected. Hilarious.
Keep it going.
wewantourdarbyback
Oct 18 2009, 22:30
QUOTE (tifosi @ Oct 18 2009, 23:22)

See, Reuban's
Not again
seltaeb
Oct 18 2009, 22:31
I don't know what happened on that second stint, either. The loss of time to Kubica is what was a little weird. Webber had a pretty sharp car and was driving away with a few more laps of fuel on that first stint, but Rubens should have been able to stick a little closer to Kubica.
I was looking at F1.com's Live Timing while watching the race, and Rubens was consistently in the low 1:15s after that first stop, which was very similar to the times Webber and Kubica were doing, but Hamilton just looked faster through that middle stint of the race.
Serkan_Evcimen
Oct 18 2009, 22:32
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 21:53)

2. How on earth can anyone be so fast on his first stint and then drive like a turtle in the second stint????? Maybe some underpressured tyres?
He couldn't handle the pressure... That's what they say about Jenson's season, right?
Ricardo F1
Oct 18 2009, 22:35
What about the Saturday conspiracy of Brawn screwing over Jenson on tyres in Q2 because he was playing hardball over his contract for next year?
Wasn't Rubens second stint on the crappy tyre that Hamilton managed to get rid of by pitting under the first safety car. Oh, and Rubens moved across on Hamilton and got his own puncture.
learningtobelost
Oct 18 2009, 22:38
Best thread of the day
skinnyman
Oct 18 2009, 22:50
Radio conversation in second stint:
Rubens: "What happened with the car ?"
Engineer: "Dont worry, you have good pace *beep* *beep*"
*beeps* = for Jensons cause
tifosi
Oct 18 2009, 22:51
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Oct 18 2009, 15:30)

Not again

Yes, because there are NEVER typos on a bb/blog
tifosi
Oct 18 2009, 22:52
QUOTE (Ricardo F1 @ Oct 18 2009, 15:35)

What about the Saturday conspiracy of Brawn screwing over Jenson on tyres in Q2 because he was playing hardball over his contract for next year?
Awwwww, that explains JB's first pit stop. He was signing his contract!
seltaeb
Oct 18 2009, 23:07
Another thing that hurt Rubens a little bit was the initial Safety Car period. He was setting fast lap after fast lap once the Safety Car was in, but having lost those 4-5 hot laps to build up more of a gap (with clean race track in front of him), you have to think he lost a little bit of opportunity there.
EthanM
Oct 18 2009, 23:09
QUOTE (Ricardo F1 @ Oct 18 2009, 23:35)

What about the Saturday conspiracy of Brawn screwing over Jenson on tyres in Q2 because he was playing hardball over his contract for next year?
Wasn't Rubens second stint on the crappy tyre that Hamilton managed to get rid of by pitting under the first safety car. Oh, and Rubens moved across on Hamilton and got his own puncture.
No Rubens was fast on the options (first and third stint) and slow on the primes (middle stint), Hamilton got rid of the options and went to primes during his first lap pitstop and pretty much drove all but one lap on primes.
QUOTE (seltaeb @ Oct 19 2009, 00:07)

Another thing that hurt Rubens a little bit was the initial Safety Car period. He was setting fast lap after fast lap once the Safety Car was in, but having lost those 4-5 hot laps to build up more of a gap (with clean race track in front of him), you have to think he lost a little bit of opportunity there.
Yup, I agree, that's what pretty much killed it for him in my opinion. He came out in the thick of traffic after his first pitstop, which wouldn't have happened if he had had 4-5 extra laps at the start in which to run his strategy.
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 21:53)

OK, Let's start the conspiracy discussion.
1. Rubinho is out of BrawnGP next season, so if he would have clinched the title it would have gone away to other team.
2. How on earth can anyone be so fast on his first stint and then drive like a turtle in the second stint????? Maybe some underpressured tyres?
3. British sport for the british drivers.... Hamilton helps Jenson with a perfect puncture of Rubinhos tyre?
4. Who is the worthier driver for advertisers? I believe that Jenson.... In fact, you only have to ask women.....
Conclusion...
There's something more within BrawnGP, Jenson Button and his World Championships.....
Disclaimer.... Not a fan of Robinho, nor Jenson, nor Hamilton, nor Alonso. Just a F1 fan. Fanboys of any color, be careful.
Brawn said before the season started that he wanted to make Jenson Button world champion. Back then i thought it was an odd remark.
Having seen the race, and heard the radio exchange between Barrichello and his engineer asking what had happened to the car to go one second slower, it does not sound strange any more. It makes a lot of sense.
Congratulatios to Button. I am glad he got his title. His career has gone through some very difficult moments and he deserved better luck.
JacnGille
Oct 19 2009, 00:20
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Oct 18 2009, 18:01)

I blame Alonso.
Ron Dennis
Yellowmc
Oct 19 2009, 00:26
QUOTE (JacnGille @ Oct 19 2009, 01:20)

Ron Dennis
Flavio Briatore.
Mauseri
Oct 19 2009, 00:27
QUOTE (pippin @ Oct 19 2009, 01:17)

As a woman I'd say Jenson is more attractive.
As a man I disagree.
WebBerK
Oct 19 2009, 00:42
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 18:53)

OK, Let's start the conspiracy discussion.
2. How on earth can anyone be so fast on his first stint and then drive like a turtle in the second stint????? Maybe some underpressured tyres?
That's easy, possibly the wrong tire calibration [excess or lack of pressure generating overheating]
WebBerK
Oct 19 2009, 00:45
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Oct 18 2009, 19:01)

I blame Alonso.
I don't blame him, but Massa is spreading he knew it.
tkulla
Oct 19 2009, 00:47
Actually, a much more likely conspiracy is that Brawn has been favoring Barrichello so that he won't have to give Button a big raise for next year...
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Oct 19 2009, 00:01)

I blame Alonso.

Ricardo F1
Oct 19 2009, 04:48
QUOTE (bl-f1 @ Oct 18 2009, 16:17)

Brawn said before the season started that he wanted to make Jenson Button world champion. Back then i thought it was an odd remark.
Having seen the race, and heard the radio exchange between Barrichello and his engineer asking what had happened to the car to go one second slower, it does not sound strange any more. It makes a lot of sense.
Congratulatios to Button. I am glad he got his title. His career has gone through some very difficult moments and he deserved better luck.
OK - oddest post in a while that.
Gagá Bueno
Oct 20 2009, 11:22
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Oct 18 2009, 18:01)

I blame Alonso.
No, but he did know it all...
QUOTE (Gagá Bueno @ Oct 20 2009, 13:22)

No, but he did know it all...

Stop it. I blame you!
I assume it was a genuine strategy falt. Rubino lost time in the second stint, especially came after those mid packs.
My question was, if Rubens has done a very short second stint on his soft rubber, lapping only some 15 laps or so, had he came in front of the mid pack that he followed ?
Pampalini
Oct 20 2009, 11:28
QUOTE (Architrion @ Oct 18 2009, 22:53)

2. How on earth can anyone be so fast on his first stint and then drive like a turtle in the second stint????? Maybe some underpressured tyres?
Ask Jenson that, because he suffered the exact same fate in qualifying. Quick in Q1, slow as a dog in Q2 and he suspected the pressures made a difference then.
Rinehart
Oct 20 2009, 11:35
This deserves capitals:
ROSS BRAWN DESERVES MASSIVE RESPECT FOR ALLOWING BOTH DRIVERS EQUAL CHANCE EVEN IF THAT MEANT RUBENS TAKING THE NUMBER 1 AWAY WITH HIM TO ANOTHER TEAM OR THE TEAM LOSING THE WDC.
Simply exceptional sportsmanship from Ross and the team, which should be hugely congratulated.
GNT4ME
Oct 20 2009, 11:39
Clatter
Oct 20 2009, 11:50
QUOTE (seltaeb @ Oct 19 2009, 00:07)

Another thing that hurt Rubens a little bit was the initial Safety Car period. He was setting fast lap after fast lap once the Safety Car was in, but having lost those 4-5 hot laps to build up more of a gap (with clean race track in front of him), you have to think he lost a little bit of opportunity there.
That probably could have made the difference between him getting out in front of the pack instead of stuck in the middle.
The Ragged Edge
Oct 20 2009, 11:53
Even Mulder & Scully would laugh at this one.
Hairpin
Oct 20 2009, 12:04
Three questions:
1. Would Jenson be ahead of Rubens in Abu Dhabi even if Rubens won Interlagos and Jenson would have been without points?
2. Would BrawnGP benefit of having the title go to the last race?
3. Is it possible for BrawnGP to interfere with the performance of their cars.
Answer to all questions is YES
So, why would BrawnGP sabotage for Rubens NOW?
It makes no sense, and Ross Brawn has a lot of sense, both common and uncommon.
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