Jenson Button say that Ross Brawn deserves a medal :

Having been behind so many world drivers and constructors championships, has he now done enough to join Frank Williams as Sir Ross Brawn ?

Maybe Bernies got un unused pile somewhere?

He deserves a knighthood eventually, no question. Maybe an OBE for now, but upon retirement he should get knighted. I've seen titles go to other people for far less achievements in their field.

After he retires, just like everyone should.

I hate the fact the cricket team were rewarded after the Ashes, for crying out loud, they just stand in a field and hit a ball every few minutes.

Are you suggesting for a moment that that is less difficult than downhill skiiing or riding a motorcycle for 30 laps that is constantly on the verge of a crash etc

For me, it's not so much the nature of the sport, more the nature of the Ashes really.. they only had to beat a single team. What kind of tournament is that to be given MBE's and OBE's for? One team damn it.

Good point. Rewards are handed out on hype and media support.

Well it's the biggest event in Cricket so...


As for Ross, no, he'll get something if he goes on to have a very long career like Sir Frank. Having said that Chris Hoy being knighted means that anything is possible.

Same applies to Rowing, Sailing, Tennis, Football, Athletics - the list of low-risk sports for which gongs are awarded is endless.

However, we are talking about an award for a Team Principal here, so Ross comes into the same category from a risk point of view.

We have to accept that awards are given for achieving success in sport rather than bravery, then what is appropriate for Ross at this stage in his career ?

I think he deserves at least an MBE purely for the way he stepped in and saved the team and in the process many peoples jobs. On top of that he's active with various charities and projects that work with young people (F1 in schools, SKIDZ, Formula Student). Then there's the racing success at Jaguar, Benetton, Ferrari and now Brawn which is just the icing on the cake.

at the very least he should get the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award.

If JB gets an honour (as Hamilton did) and Brawn doesn't then there really is something wrong with the system.


edit: there's also the CBE which is what Ron has.

Why? Ron Dennis didn't get anything when Lewis did
And he's still only a MBE not a Sir

Did they give a "Whatever of the British Empre " to a Ron who really deserved it for his fastest 147?

I don't think he should be made Sir, but then again I don't think most other motorsport knights should. The exception may be Jackie Stewart who seems to have been fundamental in car safety especially during the 70's. I believe knighthoods should be reserved for those whose acheivements are beneficial to the entire public and not just themselves.

The other awards M/O/CBE's I believe should be for this sort of personal excellence and one of them would suffice.

Can he be Knghted? Isn't he South Africian and don't you have to pledge his allegence to the Queen? But when is the Queen going to Knight Nigal Mansell? he ready deserves it.

I think you're thinking of Rory Byrne. Ross was born in Manchester.

well the fact is if you nominate a person they get considerd
As long as you are british you can nominate anyone by going to
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentciti...edals/DG_067917

So whos at fault the system or the person who moans and just does nothing.
IMHO RB does deserve an honour even more than JB after all when we consider how much he has risked to pull Brawn out of the fire and to the point of winning both championships.
Besides which give the man kudos for remembering the ones he sacked inorder to ensure the rest had secure jobs.
Will they have a party back at the factory and invite those who left to it?

Possibly he has achieved a lot in the F1, he said that he has been working in motorsport for 30 years so he should be acknowledge.

I also want to mention that the Brawn team deserve a 'good sportsmanship' award, for the incident with Kovalinen, there was the McLaren complete with fuel hose, and the Brawn mechanics removed it and sent him on his way. It beats what happened to Massa in Singapore 2008 where everyone just stared on waiting for the Ferrari crew to get there. Nice touch lads, you should be proud and of course send the bill to McLaren for services rendered, next season you will need all the money you can get!!!

Ron Dennis is CBE as is Frank Williams, both being Commanders of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. If you are a Knight Commander or Knight Grand Cross within the order you get to use Sir but in the case of Sir Frank he is a Commander within an order of chivalry but also a Knight Bachelor (kt) (a Knight that is not of an order). So their correct titles are Sir Frank Williams, CBE and Ron Dennis, Esq, CBE.

Most other famous Sirs are Knights Bachelor rather then KBE or GBE. This is because the number of people in the higher ranks is limited to 300 GBE 845 KBE and 8960 CBE. Strangely there's no female equivalent to Knight Bachelor so women who would get this honour become DBE (equivalent to KBE).

The ranks go MBE, OBE, CBE, KBE/DBE, GBE. If you have an MBE but are later given an OBE then you drop the MBE but if you become kt you keep the MBE. You can also be a KBE without being Sir if you are an honorary KBE (non British or Commonwealth) like Bob Geldof, Bill Gates and Magnús Magnússon. There's also a separate military branch of the order so you can end up like Dame Kelly Holmes, DBE MBE and be a double member holding two different ranks!

Ron got his CBE is 2000, Frank in 1987 (knighted in 1999)

Of the other WDCs D Hill, Mansell, Clark, Surtees, Stewart, Brabham and Hulme became OBE whilst Hamilton and Jones are MBE. So Button is all but guaranteed to grab at least an MBE. For team owners there is less precedent, I think he might be given an MBE this year and then possibly upped to an OBE or CBE if he's still going strong as team boss in 5-10 years.

The whole damn team deserves knighthoods, even those who weren't born in the commonwealth: Sir Ross, Sir Jenson, Sir Rubens, Sir Nick and so on.

When they can all ride a frikin horse and pulverize a pumpkin with a lance at 30mph they can all indeed claim to be knights, the system for some time is a farce, Elton John a knight, Bards are not freaking knights.

Button pulverised Grosjean at 130mph. Does that count?

Yeah it might or if Webber had hit that mad git in the kilt at Silverstone that definitely would've counted, just a clip would've done it.

Ron totally deserves a knighthood.

I've been meaning to bring this as up since the incident happened. I thought there must be something in the rules about receiving outside assistance in the pitlane and actually expected Kova to get DQ'ed.

No I don't think it matters as long as it is in the Pit lane, and it is up to the mechanics.

Yeah, but Ron Dennis knew he had a team at the beginning of 2009. Ron Dennis and Lewis Hamilton didn't win both titles in their first seaon with a limited budget and mass uncertainty. What Ross Brawn and his team pulled off was, until now, unheard of, and if you'd said that this was going to happen twelve months ago, no-one would believe you.


Rory Byrne - the other Ferrari collaborator - is South African; Brawn is British.

There's no higher reward than winning both championships. F*ck the Knighthood crap.

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No. The reward for doing your job well is your salary.

Ken Tyrrell never got a knighthood for winning both championships in his first year as a constructor.

Not yet. Athletes usually get their orders for one good result (Olympic Gold, World Champion), but ordinary civilian people tend to get their awards for longstanding distinguished career. Ross Brawn certainly deserves knighthood at some point, but it is yet too early. Not even Ron Dennis does have a knighthood. Hmm, I wonder... Spygate?

This is the reason.

Nothing else needed. He stepped in and saved jobs. It is to his credit that we have heard the British national anthem 8 times this year, and that there are 500 people (plus all the peripheral support businesses) in employment. He was still thinking of these people, still had them at the very front of his mind, when the cars took the chequered flag on Sunday.

That's why he deserves to be offered a gong.

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