GimmieKimi
Oct 19 2009, 14:57
Everyone is saying Fisi is bad, but maybe they are forgetting that its not that Fisi is bad, its just that he is racing Kimi who is making him look bad. So the question is, what would schumi had done in Fisi's place? I cant see any difference tbh. He would have been outlclassed and struggle to keep up with Kimi.
We'll never know, so end of.
Well No maybe the car is gizmode too much electronically... Drivers has to switch on and off things too many times a lap. THis does not help perhaps anyone racing on the machine. Bravo to Kimi.
DePortago
Oct 19 2009, 15:24
I can´t believe you are questioning if Schumi would have beaten Raikkonen. Massa beat Raikkonen hard, Heidfeld did it too at the beginning of his career... Schumi would have destroyed Kimi, even with his eyes closed.
Kooper
Oct 19 2009, 15:24
Fisi may be testing parts for the '10 car, so I'll not be harsh on him.
The team has admitted this years car is very difficult to drive. Maybe Schu wouldn't have done so good either...
Kooper
Oct 19 2009, 15:25
oh look, the Armada has arrived
pothar
Oct 19 2009, 15:25
Schumi would have been better than Fisi but nowhere near Kimi
mursuka80
Oct 19 2009, 15:26
QUOTE (DePortago @ Oct 19 2009, 18:24)

I can´t believe you are questioning if Schumi would have beaten Raikkonen. Massa beat Raikkonen hard, Heidfeld did it too at the beginning of his career... Schumi would have destroyed Kimi, even with his eyes closed.
We will never know,because MS chickened out.

Massa beating Kimi hard? Please!
DePortago
Oct 19 2009, 15:30
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Oct 19 2009, 17:26)

We will never know,because MS chickened out.;) Massa beating Kimi hard? Please!

2008 tells you something?
klover
Oct 19 2009, 15:31
No, he would be just as if not more pathetic. As soon as he realized it, he gave up on his return.
GiancarloF1
Oct 19 2009, 15:33
Kimi fans are very annoying. They are desperate and frustrated, because Ferrari sacked their favourite driver, Massa humiliated him in 1.5 years, and now his 2 options to either retire or signing to McLaren to be humiliated again by Hamilton.
mursuka80
Oct 19 2009, 15:34
QUOTE (DePortago @ Oct 19 2009, 18:30)

2008 tells you something?

2007 WDC

Dont bother to response im done.
mursuka80
Oct 19 2009, 15:35
QUOTE (GiancarloF1 @ Oct 19 2009, 18:33)

Kimi fans are very annoying. They are desperate and frustrated, because Ferrari sacked their favourite driver, Massa humiliated him in 1.5 years, and now his 2 options to either retire or signing to McLaren to be humiliated again by Hamilton.
If i were you i would shut up
Kimi has already said before Spa that Michael wouldn't do much better than Bad.
But we never know. Without tests it's really hard. Although Fisi used simulator a lot it didn't help much. Kubica said it would be extremely tough to get used to new car in the middle of the season. So, well.
Szoelloe
Oct 19 2009, 15:44
i voted MS to best KR, but of course that could be an exaggeration. over 3-4 races by the end maybe. but kimi's car control and driving abilities cannot be questioned (not that i ever questioned them) after fisichella's performance. the f60 is one of the hardest car to extract performance from this year.
klover
Oct 19 2009, 15:48
QUOTE (GiancarloF1 @ Oct 19 2009, 15:33)

Kimi fans are very annoying. They are desperate and frustrated, because Ferrari sacked their favourite driver, Massa humiliated him in 1.5 years, and now his 2 options to either retire or signing to McLaren to be humiliated again by Hamilton.
Clampett is very frustrated. He is desperate and frustrated because Kimi humiliated Fisi and now his options are rather limited - be a third driver at Ferrari and pray for one of their drivers to get injured so that he can drive for real.
Pikku Pakkanen
Oct 19 2009, 15:50
I have to admit that Schumi is more clever than Badoer and Fisico. He understood not to make a fool of himself.
Szoelloe
Oct 19 2009, 15:55
heheheh
you don't say, pikku. who would've thought....
SRi130Brett
Oct 19 2009, 15:56
Schumacher would really have struggled. Thats pretty clear. Hes been a lucky boy in the end.
Fisichella is not the greatest in the world, but hes not half bad and hes not qualifying so far down because hes crap.
It seems pretty obvious to me the Ferrari is a very hard car to driver, Massa and Raikkonen are clearly used to it and have adjusted but Fisi has no chance. OK, hes not the talent of Massa or Raikkonen, but hes not as far behind as he is on talent alone.
Its the car a lot more than the driver, anyone, including MS would have struggled IMHO.
RodrigoL
Oct 19 2009, 15:57
QUOTE (GiancarloF1 @ Oct 19 2009, 16:33)

Kimi fans are very annoying. They are desperate and frustrated, because Ferrari sacked their favourite driver, Massa humiliated him in 1.5 years, and now his 2 options to either retire or signing to McLaren to be humiliated again by Hamilton.
Gee, it really must sting to watch Fisi get destroyed by the same driver you bashed so passionately for years..
scheivlak
Oct 19 2009, 16:06
I would vote "Other" if that was an option.
Schumi - if fit - should be quite near Kimi after a while.
Birelman
Oct 19 2009, 16:16
OMG another one of these....
From a marketing point of view, Schumacher would have been FAR better than Fisi, all the merchandizing would have been out the roof!!!!
From a performance point of view, with the lack of testing, and lack of racing from Schumi, I think he wouldn't have been much better than Fisi, maybe a little better (possibly, considering Schumi's always defied the odds I guess) but not too much better.
wewantourdarbyback
Oct 19 2009, 16:19
Badger would have won yesterday.
QUOTE (GiancarloF1 @ Oct 19 2009, 11:33)

Kimi fans are very annoying. They are desperate and frustrated, because Ferrari sacked their favourite driver, Massa humiliated him in 1.5 years, and now his 2 options to either retire or signing to McLaren to be humiliated again by Hamilton.
Yes! But GimmieKimi is a Kimi fanboy who is so annoying that other Kimi's fans were fed up with his BS.
This is just his another effort to put down MS.
I would not put all Kimi's fans in one pack.
Orges Dushku
Oct 19 2009, 18:32
Im a schumi fan here but I doubt he would have beaten raikkonen, this years car is a dog + michaels been out of f1 for 3 years, he would have done better than fisi but not better than Kimi ;)
Not a Schumi fan, but I still think that an injured Schumacher would have been far more competitive than either of the drivers Ferrari went with.
fastdriver
Oct 19 2009, 18:37
QUOTE (qvn @ Oct 19 2009, 17:35)

Yes! But GimmieKimi is a Kimi fanboy who is so annoying that other Kimi's fans were fed up with his BS.
This is just his another effort to put down MS.
I would not put all Kimi's fans in one pack.
mclarensmps
Oct 19 2009, 18:38
Where is the option where Schumacher would have been comparable to Kimi? That is what I think.
GimmieKimi
Oct 19 2009, 20:44
QUOTE (DePortago @ Oct 19 2009, 16:24)

I can´t believe you are questioning if Schumi would have beaten Raikkonen. Massa beat Raikkonen hard, Heidfeld did it too at the beginning of his career... Schumi would have destroyed Kimi, even with his eyes closed.
Yeah the same Schumi that retired cuz he was scared to face Kimi in a Ferrari

When has Schumi ever had a tough team mate? Never!!
MikeTekRacing
Oct 19 2009, 20:46
QUOTE (GimmieKimi @ Oct 19 2009, 23:44)

Yeah the same Schumi that retired cuz he was scared to face Kimi in a Ferrari

When has Schumi ever had a tough team mate? Never!!
nobody looks tough in the same car as ms
ask kimi, he had massa and ms had massa
Anomnader
Oct 19 2009, 20:46
QUOTE (Orges Dushku @ Oct 19 2009, 19:32)

Im a schumi fan here but I doubt he would have beaten raikkonen, this years car is a dog + michaels been out of f1 for 3 years, he would have done better than fisi but not better than Kimi ;)
I'm not even sure he would be Fisi, even at his best he'd have only being a couple of 10ths up on Fisi, come back after 3 years and no practice in that car then I don't think he would do any better.
He did the right thing not taking the offer up.
Beyond
Oct 19 2009, 20:50
I think not too far from kimi and some point for schumi
fastdriver
Oct 19 2009, 20:51
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 19 2009, 21:46)

nobody looks tough in the same car as ms
ask kimi, he had massa and ms had massa
what is your point?
GimmieKimi
Oct 19 2009, 20:56
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 19 2009, 21:46)

nobody looks tough in the same car as ms
ask kimi, he had massa and ms had massa
Of course no one can look tough when Ross Brawn sabotages ever team mates car and they have to move over a few meters from the finish line to let schumi pass.
Schumi ran away when Kimi was going to sign because Kimi said he wants equal status and Schumi can not race anyone who has equal status so he escaped before he was destroyed. He’s mnot just not just a cheat but a coward
Just waiting
Oct 21 2009, 11:30
with his neck as it was, no he would not beat Kimi
with a good neck, beat his butt like a drum
egg1980
Oct 21 2009, 11:40
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Oct 19 2009, 16:26)

We will never know,because MS chickened out.;) Massa beating Kimi hard? Please!

Yeah I heard that Schumacher broke his neck on purpose just so he would have to race against Kimi.
It's amazing the lengths some drivers go to not to be humiliated by Kimi isn't it, I mean just look what Massa did to himself in Hungary, just to avoid being beaten by Kimi every race... what, oh, so you mean Massa had been giving Kimi a pasting for the last season and half??? Oh... well that's a big steaming pile of crap then isn't it...
MegaManson
Oct 21 2009, 11:47
No, Schumi would have done as bad as Badoer
Fisi stepped out of a 2nd place and lots of 2009 experience to drive for Ferrari and Schumi has not raced in 3 years, is struggling for fitness and is elderly
I don't believe this neck injury thing really I think he did his testing realised he was too slow and bailed out, wise move
Difficult to say, but my best guess is that MS would have been roughly as good (or rather bad) as Fisi, or marginally better, but in any case he'd have embarrassed himself. I wonder what he thinks about all of this right now, by the way, probably glad he couldn't make it. I mean he might still think he could make a successful comeback after a thorough preparation, like a lot of testing first, but just jumping in would have been very, very difficult it now seems. OTOH Alguersuari and Grosjean have been okay. There's also the possibility that with his lack of recent F1 experience MS would have been even worse than Fisi, somewhere between Badoer and Fisi or something. *shudder*
MikeTekRacing
Oct 21 2009, 12:09
QUOTE (GimmieKimi @ Oct 19 2009, 23:56)

Of course no one can look tough when Ross Brawn sabotages ever team mates car and they have to move over a few meters from the finish line to let schumi pass.
Schumi ran away when Kimi was going to sign because Kimi said he wants equal status and Schumi can not race anyone who has equal status so he escaped before he was destroyed. He’s mnot just not just a cheat but a coward

can't prove it, it's just bullshit as it is
his teamates looked slow because he was simply faster. get over it

kimi doesn't seem to care and minds his own business, but some of his fanatics are really lost
egg1980
Oct 21 2009, 12:27
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 21 2009, 13:09)

can't prove it, it's just bullshit as it is
his teamates looked slow because he was simply faster. get over it

kimi doesn't seem to care and minds his own business, but some of his fanatics are really lost
That's what I don't get about Kimi fans... they are often the complete opposite of the guy they support.... crazy
GimmieKimi
Oct 21 2009, 12:50
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Oct 21 2009, 13:09)

can't prove it, it's just bullshit as it is
his teamates looked slow because he was simply faster. get over it

kimi doesn't seem to care and minds his own business, but some of his fanatics are really lost
I cant prove that Brawn favoured Schumi and made sure his team mates had the weaker strategy or moved over for him? You must be new to f1
Big Block 8
Oct 21 2009, 13:42
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Oct 21 2009, 10:47)

No, Schumi would have done as bad as Badoer
Fisi stepped out of a 2nd place and lots of 2009 experience to drive for Ferrari and Schumi has not raced in 3 years, is struggling for fitness and is elderly
I don't believe this neck injury thing really I think he did his testing realised he was too slow and bailed out, wise move
Have to say I second that.
velgajski1
Oct 21 2009, 14:25
I voted for the option that he would be no better. This years car is very difficult to drive, he was 3 years out of F1 and despite all talent and greatness - he would do no better than Fisico, if not even worse.
kensaundm31
Oct 21 2009, 14:33
QUOTE (velgajski1 @ Oct 21 2009, 15:25)

I voted for the option that he would be no better. This years car is very difficult to drive, he was 3 years out of F1 and despite all talent and greatness - he would do no better than Fisico, if not even worse.
I think maybe schumi would'nt have done very well compared to Kimi this year, because the cars are so different.
But i do believe if schumi had stayed in 2007 he would have beaten Kimi.
The gap between Fisi and kimi is not completely down to skill. Fisi was kind of close to Alonso so that would mean that Kimi is 4x better than Alonso.
I guess in fisi's case there are a number of issues all screwing him up.
ex Rhodie racer 2
Oct 21 2009, 14:34
QUOTE (velgajski1 @ Oct 21 2009, 15:25)

I voted for the option that he would be no better. This years car is very difficult to drive, he was 3 years out of F1 and despite all talent and greatness - he would do no better than Fisico, if not even worse.
Tenmantaylor
Oct 21 2009, 14:53
I think theres more chance of Schumi beating Kimi than being way behind him. Theres no way he wouldve been way behind. Maybe just behind.
I think if Michael would able to test F60 he canceled his comeback much earlier.
QUOTE (Odvan @ Oct 21 2009, 11:23)

I think if Michael would able to test F60 he canceled his comeback much earlier.

Yeah, Schumacher must be too ignorant. Yeah, Kimi is a god. MS has no talent so he was so scared of Kimi that he had to retire at the end of 2006. How dare he wanted to come back in 2009.
Now, Kimi woshippers, happy?
QUOTE (GimmieKimi @ Oct 19 2009, 23:57)

Everyone is saying Fisi is bad, but maybe they are forgetting that its not that Fisi is bad, its just that he is racing Kimi who is making him look bad.
You know, Hamster's fanclub is saying the same thing; Kova is not really bad, it's just Lewis is making him look bad.
You girls are all alike.
Back to this topic, Michael would leave Kimi in dust not because of speed, but because of precision. I think he would have extracted from that car everything what it had, just like Kimi, and more, because he doesn't know any other way. That we have witnessed for over many years of his racing career.
velgajski1
Oct 21 2009, 16:29
QUOTE (kensaundm31 @ Oct 21 2009, 15:33)

I think maybe schumi would'nt have done very well compared to Kimi this year, because the cars are so different.
But i do believe if schumi had stayed in 2007 he would have beaten Kimi.
The gap between Fisi and kimi is not completely down to skill. Fisi was kind of close to Alonso so that would mean that Kimi is 4x better than Alonso.
I guess in fisi's case there are a number of issues all screwing him up.
This is something I believe too. If you had MS/KR pair in 2007. MS would be better. But comeback after injury, unprepared and in car he never drove before - I think he'd have hard time at best scenario.
MS is one of the greatest of all time, maybe greatest, but he is no superhuman.
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