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Sakae
QUOTE (Owen @ Oct 21 2009, 05:00) *
If we get team Todtley, we'll be lucky if we get one.


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I would like to see 6 races at Suzuka, 1 Interlagos, 3 (Original) Hockenheim, and 8 at Spa.

I am done.
crashgate
yes it should Brands and Silverstone, maybe even donnington, why not

also bring back Imola
crashgate
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Oct 20 2009, 20:00) *
At this point in time I'd be grateful with just one!

Maybe they should not keep the European GP at Valencia, strange decision, the Euro GP should be rotated, one year in UK, another at San Marino


beleive me better england than that korea land
Lifew12
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 20 2009, 22:04) *
Donington is considered to be too up north by many fans.l:


What about the many fans who are up north? Surely for them it's too far south?
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Turbo4 @ Oct 21 2009, 20:31) *
yes, cant wait for that Antarctic Grand Prix to kick off. confused.gif

Followed shortly by the Moon GP.
djellison
QUOTE (Crafty @ Oct 20 2009, 21:51) *
I agree the European GP should rotate around the countries though.


It's not the European GP. It hasn't been for a long time. It's been the "Who can pay Bernie the most" GP.

FWIW - If they never had another race in Valencia, it would be too soon.
egg1980
QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 21 2009, 11:55) *
It's not the European GP. It hasn't been for a long time. It's been the "Who can pay Bernie the most" GP.

FWIW - If they never had another race in Valencia, it would be too soon.


I went to the inaugural race at Valencia and... well, let's just say I found better ways to spend £285 (for the lowest grade of ticket) the following year. I got a platinum ticket at Silverstone - money well spent!
Pegaso
Buy the way, why a European GP should be held in England? English nationalism has always been anti-EU so a European GP there wouldn't make any sense.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 21:59) *
Buy the way, why a European GP should be held in England? English nationalism has always been anti-EU so a European GP there wouldn't make any sense.

I'm still at a loss to make a case for England to have two races.
midgrid
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 11:59) *
Buy the way, why a European GP should be held in England? English nationalism has always been anti-EU so a European GP there wouldn't make any sense.


Because the continent of Europe does not equate to the European Union. Brands Hatch held the European Grand Prix in 1985, so there is a precedent. However, I agree with many of the posters here in that the calendar should have no more than one Grand Prix per country.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 11:59) *
Buy the way, why a European GP should be held in England? English nationalism has always been anti-EU so a European GP there wouldn't make any sense.


And Spain had zero interest in car racing prior to Alonso. Bike racing, yes, they were perhaps the most ardent fans.

Car racing has been prominent in England for many years. Dump the nationalistic crap and think about our sport.
Crafty
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 11:59) *
Buy the way, why a European GP should be held in England? English nationalism has always been anti-EU so a European GP there wouldn't make any sense.


For better or worse we are a member of the EU. By definition nationalism in any country would be anti-EU drunk.gif

FWIW the European GP was at Donington in 1993 smile.gif
potmotr
The UK could certainly sustain two races.

The fans here would ensure they're both sold out.

Problem is that Ecclestone's fees are far too high to ever make it happen.
Crafty
QUOTE (Rob @ Oct 21 2009, 09:12) *
Most people bring fold-up chairs to Snetterton so seating is never a problem! smile.gif


80,000 deckchairs on race day would be a bit.. well.. cramped would it not ?

The place just isnt suitable, it looks too short, its more or less a rectangle with 4 corners. Fine for a national track but not up to a GP>
MegaManson
Yes it should

Britain IS F1

Most of the teams based here, multiple world champions, the worlds top F1 engineers, guaranteed sell out of both races

Spain has 2 so does the UAE so Britain is by far the most deserving for 2 GP's
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Crafty @ Oct 21 2009, 12:21) *
80,000 deckchairs on race day would be a bit.. well.. cramped would it not ?

The place just isnt suitable, it looks too short, its more or less a rectangle with 4 corners. Fine for a national track but not up to a GP>


True, but, if it was not up to the exorbitant taxes they would have to pay, then the grandstands at places like the 'bomb hole' would still be there.
potmotr
QUOTE (Crafty @ Oct 21 2009, 12:21) *
80,000 deckchairs on race day would be a bit.. well.. cramped would it not ?

The place just isnt suitable, it looks too short, its more or less a rectangle with 4 corners. Fine for a national track but not up to a GP>


Snetterton would be utterly hilarious.

Sir Jackie Stewart drove a Lotus F1 car there a few years back...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tI1eF1_LZs...PL&index=85


The corner after the back straight would be interesting...
Rob
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 21 2009, 12:31) *
The corner after the back straight would be interesting...


The esses is one of the best places to watch. Usually a few interesting moments there!
potmotr
QUOTE (Rob @ Oct 21 2009, 12:46) *
The esses is one of the best places to watch. Usually a few interesting moments there!


But seriously, I can't ever see a modern F1 grid at Snett.

Too narrow and not enough run off.

Would be great to see someone disappear into the barley fields.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 21 2009, 12:47) *
Would be great to see someone disappear into the barley fields.



Mate, you missed the testing of the Bentley Speed Eight. wave.gif
potmotr
QUOTE (ForeverF1 @ Oct 21 2009, 12:50) *
Mate, you missed the testing of the Bentley Speed Eight. wave.gif


That would have been a sight to behold!
Rob
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 21 2009, 12:47) *
But seriously, I can't ever see a modern F1 grid at Snett.

Too narrow and not enough run off.


If Abu Dhabi has enough run off then Snett is fine! smile.gif
Rob
Didn't a driver disappear there once in the BTCC? Probably mid-90s or so?
ForeverF1
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 21 2009, 12:50) *
That would have been a sight to behold!


It was, although, not in a pleasant way. biggrin.gif
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Rob @ Oct 21 2009, 12:53) *
Didn't a driver disappear there once in the BTCC? Probably mid-90s or so?


Yes, but not as serious as a bike racer who was not missed until the end of a race who had dropped it on Coram and no one noticed it until the end race, he was hidden under the tyres/armco.

Edit: to add 'not'
Pegaso
QUOTE (ForeverF1 @ Oct 21 2009, 13:19) *
And Spain had zero interest in car racing prior to Alonso. Bike racing, yes, they were perhaps the most ardent fans.

Car racing has been prominent in England for many years. Dump the nationalistic crap and think about our sport.


Well, I completely agree with you about that, Spanish fans have always been much more interested in motorbike racing and rallying (especially in regions like the one Alonso comes from), but if the politicians of a certain place decide to waste money in F1 instead of spending it in important things I can't really do anything about it.

But apart from "England is the best country in the motorsport world", "F1 is English" kind of messages, there haven't really been any messages explaining why another GP in England would provide better racing that a GP in any other place in the world.
Clatter
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 11:59) *
Buy the way, why a European GP should be held in England? English nationalism has always been anti-EU so a European GP there wouldn't make any sense.


Europe is a geographic region of which Britain is part of. What we don't like is the political crap that is the EU.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 13:04) *
....... there haven't really been any messages explaining why another GP in England would provide better racing that a GP in any other place in the world.



For the FOM, I agree. But for fans, who, in their thousands, pay to watch a GP.

I am sure that they/we would like more GP's than having them in a desert. No?
Kristian
I think we're fine with one, but I firmly believe that F1 should be represented in every continent (bar antarctica) and the number of races proportional to the international fanbase. Each country should only have one race.

So, for a 20-race true world championship calendar, I would guess we could have:

9 GPs in Europe (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Monaco, Spain, Belgium, Hungary, Turkey/Bulgaria rotating)
3 in North America (Canada, USA East/West rotating, Mexico)
1 in Australasia (Australia)
2 in Africa & Middle East (South Africa, Abu Dhabi/Bahrain rotating)
2 in South America (Brazil, Argentina)
3 in Asia (Japan, Singapore/Malaysia rotating, China/Korea rotating)
Pegaso
QUOTE (ForeverF1 @ Oct 21 2009, 14:14) *
For the FOM, I agree. But for fans, who, in their thousands, pay to watch a GP.

I am sure that they/we would like more GP's than having them in a desert. No?


But for millions of TV viewers in the world, what do circuits like Silverstone offer that apparently makes them so special? Nothing really. People here were overhyping a fight for 14-15th place as the most exciting that happened during the British GP, that pretty much says it all.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 13:28) *
But for millions of TV viewers in the world, what do circuits like Silverstone offer that apparently makes them so special? Nothing really. People here were overhyping a fight for 14-15th place as the most exciting that happened during the British GP, that pretty much says it all.


As I said, it is only in the FOM's interest (they accrue many bucks from TV rights) to have venues in the deserts, because England (like it or not) is the home* of motor sport and they/we have a diverse fan base which makes them/us actually go and watch, rather than sitting on the sofa and staring at a TV.

* I am not saying, or indeed implying, that motor sport started in England.
potmotr
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 13:28) *
But for millions of TV viewers in the world, what do circuits like Silverstone offer that apparently makes them so special? Nothing really.


It pains me to say, but I agree with you for once.

Silverstone usually produces a snooze-fest race, like Barcelona and Valencia.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 21 2009, 13:40) *
Silverstone usually produces a snooze-fest race, like Barcelona and Valencia.



Strange that almost all of the drivers find Silverstone a challenge. biggrin.gif
midgrid
If the Technical Regulations were successfully tweaked to make overtaking slightly easier, then I'm sure Silverstone would fulfil its potential as an exciting circuit. This year we saw lots of wheel-to-wheel action between the McLarens, Saubers and Renaults in the midfield, and the 2003 race was one of the best in F1 history, so exciting races can happen here. Plus there's always the possibility of rain, even in summer, which seems to be the best way to encourage racing these days, whether by mixing up the grid or affecting the race itself.
kar
Annoying, I know. But the plural of Grand Prix, is Grands Prix. Not Grand Prixs.
Pegaso
QUOTE (ForeverF1 @ Oct 21 2009, 14:44) *
Strange that almost all of the drivers find Silverstone a challenge. biggrin.gif


And Tilke tracks, with some of their overcomplicated sections, are usually a challenge for the drivers too, so what?
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Kristian @ Oct 21 2009, 23:26) *
3 in North America (Canada, USA East/West rotating, Mexico)

If Great Britain doesn't deserve two Grands Prix, the United States sure as hell doesn't if only because Formula One is a traditionally European sport.
Kooper
QUOTE (slideways @ Oct 21 2009, 03:18) *
Following GPs are permanent fixtures:

Spa
Monza
Silverstone
Monaco
Suzuka


I'd add Interlagos and Circuit Gilles Villeneuve to the permanent list.

No country should have 2 GPs a year except under rotating circumstances (European GP ie.)
Kooper
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Oct 21 2009, 08:00) *
If Great Britain doesn't deserve two Grands Prix, the United States sure as hell doesn't if only because Formula One is a traditionally European sport.


your reading comprehension needs work...
potmotr
QUOTE (kar @ Oct 21 2009, 13:46) *
Annoying, I know. But the plural of Grand Prix, is Grands Prix. Not Grand Prixs.


Yes, annoying.wink.gif
Owen
QUOTE (kar @ Oct 21 2009, 13:46) *
Annoying, I know. But the plural of Grand Prix, is Grands Prix. Not Grand Prixs.

It's not Grand Pricks either. Although you'd be forgiven for thinking that sometimes. biggrin.gif
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Kooper @ Oct 22 2009, 00:15) *
your reading comprehension needs work...

You're right, I missed Mexico.

But given the inability of American venues to consistently retain a race, a rotational policy is the last thing they need. I'm all for a race in America, but not if it's going to flitter in and out of the calendar. It needs to be solid, consistent. Otherwise, why bother? They'd just be wasting time, money, resources and a valuable caendar slot that could go somewhere that could actually host a consistent and decent race year in, year out. Like France, or maybe Russia.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 13:49) *
And Tilke tracks, with some of their overcomplicated sections, are usually a challenge for the drivers too, so what?


You ask "so what", maybe we should think with a broader mind. What is good for us fans, might not be the same for the drivers. Geddit? smile.gif
Pegaso
QUOTE (ForeverF1 @ Oct 21 2009, 15:34) *
You ask "so what", maybe we should think with a broader mind. What is good for us fans, might not be the same for the drivers. Geddit? smile.gif


Well, you are the one who has started talking about how Silverstone is a challenge for the drivers not me. As a viewer I've already said I find it pretty boring.
ForeverF1
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 21 2009, 14:44) *
Well, you are the one who has started talking about how Silverstone is a challenge for the drivers not me. As a viewer I've already said I find it pretty boring.


Correct mate, I was thinking with a broader mind. wink.gif
Conny_Mary
Yes,yes and yes. up.gif
Buttoneer
Definitely not. One GP only please, but lets also take away one of the Spanish ones or make the European GP a proper roving one which doesn't stay in the same place for more than a couple of years.

I suspect the business model prohibits this though.
potmotr
There's alway the Luxembourg GP...
Blackdog
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Oct 20 2009, 23:15) *
And the Welsh could always have the Targa Anglesey.


Be careful what you wish for....boyo!!
ensign14
I'd be interested in seeing where they would put the pit lllane.

QUOTE (Owen @ Oct 21 2009, 14:30) *
It's not Grand Pricks either. Although you'd be forgiven for thinking that sometimes. biggrin.gif

Not according to Melissa Wilkes.
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